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Forward Union
5th September 2007, 10:33
I found this on ThePhora;

Neo-Nazis Seek Iranian Backing for Bizarre Mission

http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.co...ng-for_13.html

A band of neo-Nazis with ties to Iran's clerical fascist mullahocracy is believed to be seeking its support for a truly bizarre scheme--an archeological expedition in search of ancient lost cities in a remote region of Brazil. The neo-Nazis are said to claim that the area, in the state of Matto Grasso, was once home to an advanced "Aryan" race.

Their venture illuminates Nazism's occult roots--and neo-Nazi links to a present-day regime that many rightwing radicals increasingly regard as a center and symbol of anti-Western struggle.

The proposed expedition also serves as a disturbing reminder of the violent legacy and dangerous appeal of a tangled collection of quasi-spiritual and pseudo-academic theories and beliefs.

As if to further highlight historical parallels, the expedition reportedly plans to follow in the footsteps of Nazi archaeologists and SS officers who explored parts of Matto Grosso during the Second World War. That expedition is thought to have been inspired by earlier German expeditions, including one in the 1920s and one in the early 1900s that was organized and paid for by the Krupp armaments company.

The deranged German fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, is known to have been obsessed with occult theories concerning the purported existence of a vast, underground tunnel network reaching from the region and other Brazilian and South American areas to a mythical utopia thought to lie beneath the Himalayan mountains of Tibet.

Belief in the subterranean city-state, known as Agarta or Shambhala, is based on Tibetan Buddhist traditions that also inspired the 1933 novel "Lost Horizon" by British author James Hilton. The book and subsequent film adaptations described a hidden earthly paradise called Shangri-La.

Crazy as it seems, Hitler's Nazis supposedly sought to make contact with Agarta by finding an entrance to the tunnel system leading to it. In addition to the Brazilian expedition, they sent seven expeditions to Tibet, the most famous of which is now best known through the feature film Seven Years in Tibet that was particularly popular among followers of "New Age" philosophy.

Though it might not be hooked on lost tunnels or subterranean cities, the new Nazi expedition is apparently based on another lunatic fringe notion with disturbing New Age appeal--that a "master race" of Atlanteans once dominated the world and left evidence of their civilization in Tibet, Egypt, and South America. Hence, the neo-Nazi interest in lost cities.

The Atlantis theory comes from Ariosophy, a so-called Aryan centered philosophy that influenced Nazism. The founder of Ariosophy, Adolf Josef Lanz, who called himself Lanz von Liebenfels, was a professional Austrian anti-Semite and former monk who advocated forced sterilization of "inferior races."

Theosophy was a cult-like, 19th century mystical movement founded by a notorious Russian-born adventuress, author, and phony medium, Helena Blavatsky, and her spiritualist lover, the American lawyer Henry Olcott. A racist and an anti-Semite who incorporated the swastika in her movement's seal, Blavatsky argued that humanity had descended from a series of seven "Root Races," identifyng the fifth and supposedly superior one the Aryan race, which, she claimed, came from Atlantis. Some modern humans, such as indigenous Africans and Australians, she argued, were actually semi- or sub-human.

Her ideas influenced, among others, Savitri Devi (born Maximiani Portas), a French woman who emigrated to India during he 1930s, where she blended a philosophy of white supremacy and Hinduism and became a fanatic Hitler admirer, living out the war years in anticipation of a Nazi victory. In the 1960s, she emerged as a cult figure for neo-Nazis--"Hitler's guru," in the words of the German-Canadian Holocaust-denying publisher Ernest Zundel. Zundel, who republished and distributed Devi's out-of-print, 1958 book, "The Lightning and the Sun," is involved in the neo-Nazi-Iranian axis, which is itself the brainchild of an aging Nazi convert to Islam, the mysterious Swiss banker and ex-journalist, Ahmed Huber.

A quest for Shambhala (Agarta) led Blavatsky to South America. She claimed to have partially explored the secret, subterranean tunnels connecting the continent with Asia by entering the passages in Peru and Brazil. The story has become a staple of neo-Nazi Internet sites and books about so-called ancient mysteries, including works produced and published by Zundel and allegedly financed by Huber, whose home boasts portraits of Hitler and Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini.

Back to Iran. The Islamist regime of Iran's Hitler-admiring President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as previously reported, has supported, encouraged and provided safe haven for numerous neo-Nazi groups, while sponsoring international events aimed at denying and ridiculing the Holocaust, and threatening to destroy Israel and drive the United States from the Middle East.

The Iranian-neo-Nazi axis recalls the wartime penetration of Iran by Gestapo and German military intelligence officers and the pro-Nazi leanings of Iran's monarch at the time, Reza Pahlavi. (In contrast with Reza Shah, his son, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was overthrown by Khomeini, was a US ally and friend of Israel and Iran's Jewish community.)

Persians have long used the term Aryan to describe the Indo-European origins of their language. Starting in the early 19th century, German romanticists popularized the notion of an "Aryan" Indo-Nordic race. They promoted study of Sanskrit, a classical language of India, and liturgical language of Hinduism and Buddhism, in opposition to Hebrew and other Semitic languages, and a theory of Asia, not the Middle East, as the cradle of civilization.

The idea for Persia's 1935 name change to Iran--"Land of the Aryans"--was supposedly suggested by Tehran's ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of Hitler's trusted banker, Dr. Hjalmar Schacht.

Raúl Duke
5th September 2007, 10:43
The deranged German fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, is known to have been obsessed with occult theories concerning the purported existence of a vast, underground tunnel network reaching from the region and other Brazilian and South American areas to a mythical utopia thought to lie beneath the Himalayan mountains of Tibet.

I thought that was Himmler's obsession...I only read one "biography" about the 3rd Riech (the Albert Speer one), so I might not be knowledgable in this, and it mention in passing how Himmler, leader of the SS, was obsessed in looking for ruins in Germany (which by what it seems, later developed into a more international search for ruins.)and that Hitler thought it was a waste of time and that real European culture comes from Rome and maybe Greece.

dso79
5th September 2007, 20:26
China Confidential is one of the most reactionary blogs I’ve read in a while. It’s fiercely anti-Iran, not because of Iran’s reactionary domestic policies, but mainly because of its threat to US imperialism. Like most conservatives today they are spreading lies in order to drum up support for an attack on Iran. For example, they call for ’truly massive military strikes’ to end Iran’s ‘nuclear threat’ despite the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. CC also claims that Iran had 'meaningful relations' with al-Qaeda, which has never been proven either and seems pretty unlikely.

This article appears to be part of that disinformation war against Iran as well, only this time they’re trying to link Iran to neo-Nazis, again without providing any evidence of course.

I haven’t been able to find any information about this ‘expedition’, so I suspect they just made it up in an attempt to vilify Iran in order to pave the way for yet another imperialist massacre. After all, they also claimed that Chavez and Castro were helping Islamist terrorists enter the US.

luxemburg89
5th September 2007, 21:12
Himmler, leader of the SS, was obsessed in looking for ruins in Germany (which by what it seems, later developed into a more international search for ruins.)and that Hitler thought it was a waste of time and that real European culture comes from Rome and maybe Greece.


I find that unlikely as Hitler saw Teutons as the superior race, as the ayrans if you will. The Romans, for example, whilst imperialist etc etc are Southern European, in Mein Kampf he considers these people below the Teutons (Northern European), in fact he considered the degenerate. Now Hitler did plan to build the new Roman Empire but in a German style, while he liked the Roman art and architecture, he was interested in the history of Germany and the furtherment of German art and architecture more than anything else. There are vast culture differences in Ancient Roman and Greek cultures than the Ancient Germanic ones, you will find most of Hitler's ideas are drawn from nationalist ancient Teutonic folk stories, tales and philosophies rather than the Roman, or Holy Roman, Empire. Rome, for example, never conquered Germany, and Hitler highlighted this (though I cannot remember where) as an example of their superiority. I am not saying you are not right, I just find it very unlikely.

EDIT-Typo

Mkultra
6th September 2007, 00:33
I read a book on Hitlers obsession with the occult and his desire to obtain the Sword of Longinus AKA the Sword of Destiny (the sword used by the Roman centurion who lanced the side of Christ on the cross as an act of mercy so that he would die faster) and that whoever possesses it will rule the world

Red Scare
6th September 2007, 01:12
yeah i heard about an SS division that spent its entire time trying to make archeological discoveries to prove the Nazis right, this is why Nazis are fucking crazy...

Comrade Rage
6th September 2007, 01:21
The archeological/occultist stuff you hear is actually true. Himmler did supposedly possess the lance that supposedly went into Jesus Christ. This thing was actually a fake, from what I've read.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Nazis were trying to get Iranian backing, as a matter of fact Ahmadinejad has extended his hand to American fascist groups, and is arguably the biggest ally the haters have had in a few decades. Ahmadinejad is very interesting to say the least. I honestly don't know which is worse: him or Olmert.

Saint Street Revolution
6th September 2007, 01:26
Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 06, 2007 12:21 am
The archeological/occultist stuff you hear is actually true. Himmler did supposedly possess the lance that supposedly went into Jesus Christ. This thing was actually a fake, from what I've read.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Nazis were trying to get Iranian backing, as a matter of fact Ahmadinejad has extended his hand to American fascist groups, and is arguably the biggest ally the haters have had in a few decades. Ahmadinejad is very interesting to say the least. I honestly don't know which is worse: him or Olmert.
I heard Nazis were interested in Satanism and Black Magic.

Mkultra
6th September 2007, 03:18
Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 06, 2007 12:21 am
The archeological/occultist stuff you hear is actually true. Himmler did supposedly possess the lance that supposedly went into Jesus Christ. This thing was actually a fake, from what I've read.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Nazis were trying to get Iranian backing, as a matter of fact Ahmadinejad has extended his hand to American fascist groups, and is arguably the biggest ally the haters have had in a few decades. Ahmadinejad is very interesting to say the least. I honestly don't know which is worse: him or Olmert.
Olmert is worse cause Irans Leader hasnt attacked anyone~yet at least

Comrade Rage
6th September 2007, 03:21
Mkultra: I agree now. Not just that but Olmert has more power. You're right.


Scribe: It's funny that you mentioned that. Word has it that the commander of the NSM is a Satanist.

Cheung Mo
6th September 2007, 03:37
Why doesn't Chavez pour money into supporting Iranian communism?

Red October
6th September 2007, 04:07
The nazis were into all sorts of crazy magical shit. Various nazi leaders, especially Himmler had their own private research projects going on to look into occult stuff. From what I've read, Himmler thought of himself as the reincarnation or successor of an ancient Teutonic king. An article I read about it also suggests Hitler thought that was a little stupid, though it's not like Hitler was a great judge of good ideas. In general, the Nazi regime had so many excesses and random junk going on, the Occult research was only a part of it. They also were into ridiculously strange secret weapons.

TheDifferenceEngine
7th September 2007, 21:06
Gee, if this isnt a cappie story to lump radical muslims, neo nazis and psycho occultists into one basket then i dont know what is.

Oh well, I hate them all any way.

I hope that nazi expedition gets lost in the jungle.

Mkultra
8th September 2007, 01:45
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush

Saint Street Revolution
8th September 2007, 04:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
You are serious?

bootleg42
8th September 2007, 05:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
Mkultra.........after reading many of your posts in various threads...I ask you:

Do you know what materialism is??

Have you read any Marx or Engels or Lenin or anyone like that???

Mkultra
8th September 2007, 21:51
Originally posted by bootleg42+September 08, 2007 04:38 am--> (bootleg42 @ September 08, 2007 04:38 am)
[email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
Mkultra.........after reading many of your posts in various threads...I ask you:

Do you know what materialism is??

Have you read any Marx or Engels or Lenin or anyone like that??? [/b]
Materialism is when people become to enmeshed in fleshy affairs while neglecting all their inner powers

Saint Street Revolution
9th September 2007, 04:09
Originally posted by Mkultra+September 08, 2007 08:51 pm--> (Mkultra @ September 08, 2007 08:51 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 04:38 am

[email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
Mkultra.........after reading many of your posts in various threads...I ask you:

Do you know what materialism is??

Have you read any Marx or Engels or Lenin or anyone like that???
Materialism is when people become to enmeshed in fleshy affairs while neglecting all their inner powers [/b]
Um..nope.

A Materialist would basically follow the philosophy "you have to see it to believe it".

Mkultra
9th September 2007, 20:47
Originally posted by Saint Street Revolution+September 09, 2007 03:09 am--> (Saint Street Revolution @ September 09, 2007 03:09 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 08:51 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 04:38 am

[email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
Mkultra.........after reading many of your posts in various threads...I ask you:

Do you know what materialism is??

Have you read any Marx or Engels or Lenin or anyone like that???
Materialism is when people become to enmeshed in fleshy affairs while neglecting all their inner powers
Um..nope.

A Materialist would basically follow the philosophy "you have to see it to believe it". [/b]
thats a weak philosophy IMO

Saint Street Revolution
12th September 2007, 01:56
Originally posted by Mkultra+September 09, 2007 07:47 pm--> (Mkultra @ September 09, 2007 07:47 pm)
Originally posted by Saint Street [email protected] 09, 2007 03:09 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 08:51 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 04:38 am

[email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
Mkultra.........after reading many of your posts in various threads...I ask you:

Do you know what materialism is??

Have you read any Marx or Engels or Lenin or anyone like that???
Materialism is when people become to enmeshed in fleshy affairs while neglecting all their inner powers
Um..nope.

A Materialist would basically follow the philosophy "you have to see it to believe it".
thats a weak philosophy IMO [/b]
Let us take a look at religion; in specifics, Christianity.

Would you find it logical to hand your life over (which is what the Bible states; you must put it all in God's hands) to a being there is absolutely no proof exists, besides a book? Hell, I could write any fucking thing and publish it as a religion right now, it's not hard.

Materialism is just an ideology that requires evidence, rather than blind fate.

bootleg42
12th September 2007, 03:54
Mkultra, I don't think you're a revolutionary leftyist.

I mean you first post plenty of stories popular to the Paleoconservatives and the Ron Paul/Alex Jones lovers (not calling you one but you've posted stuff they've been mainly talking about) then you don't know what materialism is (which is very basic).

I just question whether you're a real Marxist or Anarchist or any type of leftyist like all of us are here.

Maybe you just like us because we hate the U.S. government so much and you do too at the current moment. If so, I suggest you read up first before joining ANY political side (I mean any). Do you have a real political position???

I'm not starting beef, just questioning.

dez
14th September 2007, 18:51
i'm in between classes, so i can't read the whole thread
i just read the first post, will read and post more later

two things
it's Mato Grosso (one t)
there are indeed archeologists and scientists in general that strongly believe that "atlantis" was in south america, but around bolivia.
Will explain more of it later.

metalero
14th September 2007, 23:14
the nazi stuff is obviously bizarre and stupid, as well as the lame attempt to describe the Iranian regime as fascist.

Mkultra
14th September 2007, 23:33
Originally posted by Saint Street Revolution+September 12, 2007 12:56 am--> (Saint Street Revolution @ September 12, 2007 12:56 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 07:47 pm

Originally posted by Saint Street [email protected] 09, 2007 03:09 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 08:51 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 04:38 am

[email protected] 08, 2007 12:45 am
I believe there are hidden Utopias and I hope someone can find them to warn everyone in them about Bush
Mkultra.........after reading many of your posts in various threads...I ask you:

Do you know what materialism is??

Have you read any Marx or Engels or Lenin or anyone like that???
Materialism is when people become to enmeshed in fleshy affairs while neglecting all their inner powers
Um..nope.

A Materialist would basically follow the philosophy "you have to see it to believe it".
thats a weak philosophy IMO
Let us take a look at religion; in specifics, Christianity.

Would you find it logical to hand your life over (which is what the Bible states; you must put it all in God's hands) to a being there is absolutely no proof exists, besides a book? Hell, I could write any fucking thing and publish it as a religion right now, it's not hard.

Materialism is just an ideology that requires evidence, rather than blind fate. [/b]
I dont put much stock in the Bible and I think QUantum physics proves all the impossible and invisible things

Mkultra
14th September 2007, 23:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 02:54 am
Mkultra, I don't think you're a revolutionary leftyist.

I mean you first post plenty of stories popular to the Paleoconservatives and the Ron Paul/Alex Jones lovers (not calling you one but you've posted stuff they've been mainly talking about) then you don't know what materialism is (which is very basic).

I just question whether you're a real Marxist or Anarchist or any type of leftyist like all of us are here.

Maybe you just like us because we hate the U.S. government so much and you do too at the current moment. If so, I suggest you read up first before joining ANY political side (I mean any). Do you have a real political position???

I'm not starting beef, just questioning.
Im the leftist one here and Im only materialistic when it comes to clothes but nothing else