Conservatives think Putin's Russia is Communist

[Comrade Hector]

I was astonished when I learned this at the stupidity of the typical conservative still clinging to the whole anti-Russian chauvinism. I've heard conservatives calling Putin a Communist, that capitalist Russia is a new Soviet Union.

The only arguments that these dumb conservatives use to describe Putin's capitalist regime as "Communist" is that Putin has proceeded to nationalize certain firms, that Putin was KGB, that the Russian capitalists were ex-Stalinists. It is true that nationalization is a necessity to maintain a successful planned and collectivized economy. But with capitalist Russia this is not the case. Nationalization in this case means open for private investment for Russia's firm. It is still privatized, so this has nothing to do with Communism. Adding to this, there is also the growing disagreements between Bush and Putin about U.S missiles in Europe. It amounts to nothing more than interimperialist rivalry. But these god bless america cons are too stupid to know this.

People like all conservative anti-Communists have no right to complain about Putin or his capitalist regime. Why? Because they all supported the very counter-revolutionary force which restored capitalism in Russia, and of which Putin is a part of. To the cons: You all wanted a post-Soviet world...you got one. So why are you complaining about Putin?

FSB=Okrana not KGB.

[enigma2517]

It amounts to nothing more than interimperialist rivalry. But these god bless america cons are too stupid to know this.


Wow this is a pretty concise way to explain how I feel about it too.

Great job

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Some communists think Russia is still a 'deformed workers' state.'

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 05, 2007 04:45 am
Some communists think Russia is still a 'deformed workers' state.'
Like who?

[ComradeR]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 05, 2007 04:45 am
Some communists think Russia is still a 'deformed workers' state.'
Anyone who thinks that can't possibly have any idea of what Socialism much less communism actually is.

[RNK]

Given that a lot of conservatives think Bill Clinton was a Marxist... it doesn't strike me as surprising.

There's also a section of the Liberal left that views George Bush Communist.

Fuck mass ignorance.

[Whitten]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 05, 2007 04:45 am
Some communists think Russia is still a 'deformed workers' state.'
Example?

[Raúl Duke]

So why are you complaining about Putin?

Like mentioned, it's all because of interimperial rivalry. Recently Russia has not been doing what the US wants of them and has been "getting in their way".

This doesn't suprise me...conservatives are ignorants.

The problem is that the stupidity seems to be contagious.

[Jazzratt]

I refuse to believe anyone can be this stupid. Please say it ain't so.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Example?

The SWP in the U.S.. They also claim that the eastern half of Germany is still a workers' state, even though it lacks an independent government.

[Dr Mindbender]

although certainly not communist, i heard before that Putin brought in some leftist policies, like re-nationalising certain industries. Its these moves that have created nervousness in the west.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 05, 2007 01:17 pm
although certainly not communist, i heard before that Putin brought in some leftist policies, like re-nationalising certain industries. Its these moves that have created nervousness in the west.
Like abolishing worker's pensions and privilegies for ww2-vets?

[spartan]

I refuse to believe anyone can be this stupid. Please say it ain't so.
this is conservative yankees we are talking about so no surprise with this kind of stupidness there comrade.

[Tower of Bebel]

Lol, and the United States are anarcho-capitalist.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 02:52 pm

I refuse to believe anyone can be this stupid. Please say it ain't so.
this is conservative yankees we are talking about so no surprise with this kind of stupidness there comrade.
Prejudices ftw!

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg

[Ismail]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 05, 2007 08:17 am
i heard before that Putin brought in some leftist policies, like re-nationalising certain industries. Its these moves that have created nervousness in the west.
Nationalization =/= Communism or Socialism. He is doing it to help the growth of capitalism.

[Raúl Duke]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 10:41 am


http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg
aww shit...I live in Floriduh,Dumbfuckistan....

:lol:


Nationalization =/= Communism or Socialism. He is doing it to help the growth of capitalism.

Yes, Th conservatives are quite "limited" in their analysis. Anything that has to do with nationalization is "automatically equated" as socialism. Hell, there are people who believe that Scandinavian countries are socialist.

But the real reason why they slander these countries is because they are posing a threat to US interests abroad.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Really, anti-Americanism that labels large sections of the country's working class is pretty reactionary.

It's absurd to blame working people who are bombarded with propaganda from birth for a lack of class consciousness, especially in the face of so many sell-outs from 'the left' and labor tops.

[Comrade Rage]

Putin's Russia = Czarist Russia.

That's the real analogy here.



BTW the south really is generally rectionary. My state's in the blue. (Wisconsin.)

[RedCommieBear]

Originally posted by Serpent+September 05, 2007 09:41 am--> (Serpent @ September 05, 2007 09:41 am) http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg [/b]
I like this one... (http://www.mainstreetj.com/images/2006/jan/jesusland.jpg)


Hell, there are people who believe that Scandinavian countries are socialist.

The following quote can be found here: (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174889,00.html)


Bill O'Reilly
Being a socialist society, France has provided its new citizens with the usual entitlements, including housing, health benefits, and welfare, but there are few jobs in the French economy, which has been stagnant for years. So millions of immigrants are unemployed, feel disenfranchised, and hate their adopted country.

We've got a long way to go..

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

BTW the south really is generally rectionary. My state's in the blue. (Wisconsin.)

No one doubts that.. but what's the basis for it? How should communists react to that fact?

The point is not just to understand things, but to change them.. remember?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

why is it that 'the south' is generally reactionary and the 'blue' states aren't?

Is it just a crazy mixture of poverty, a history of racism and right-wing Christians?

[Tower of Bebel]

It's the ideological background, which again is created by the type of industries and farms you have/had in the North and South.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 05, 2007 08:34 pm
Really, anti-Americanism that labels large sections of the country's working class is pretty reactionary.

It's absurd to blame working people who are bombarded with propaganda from birth for a lack of class consciousness, especially in the face of so many sell-outs from 'the left' and labor tops.
Yes, but it is American Anti-Americanism.

I have never met people so Anti-American as the Americans I met in Paris.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 05, 2007 04:15 am
I was astonished when I learned this at the stupidity of the typical conservative still clinging to the whole anti-Russian chauvinism. I've heard conservatives calling Putin a Communist, that capitalist Russia is a new Soviet Union.

The only arguments that these dumb conservatives use to describe Putin's capitalist regime as "Communist" is that Putin has proceeded to nationalize certain firms, that Putin was KGB, that the Russian capitalists were ex-Stalinists. It is true that nationalization is a necessity to maintain a successful planned and collectivized economy. But with capitalist Russia this is not the case. Nationalization in this case means open for private investment for Russia's firm. It is still privatized, so this has nothing to do with Communism. Adding to this, there is also the growing disagreements between Bush and Putin about U.S missiles in Europe. It amounts to nothing more than interimperialist rivalry. But these god bless america cons are too stupid to know this.

People like all conservative anti-Communists have no right to complain about Putin or his capitalist regime. Why? Because they all supported the very counter-revolutionary force which restored capitalism in Russia, and of which Putin is a part of. To the cons: You all wanted a post-Soviet world...you got one. So why are you complaining about Putin?

FSB=Okrana not KGB.
great post!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yes, but it is American Anti-Americanism.

It's a problem from Canadian and European leftists, mainly..


I have never met people so Anti-American as the Americans I met in Paris.

That's a petty-bourgeois liberal trend by people who want to show how much better they are than the 'stupid reactionary masses.' That's hardly restricted to the U.S.

[Jazzratt]

I used to be big into anti-americanism - before I became a Marxist. I'm still heavily against the actions of America's neoliberal government but I recognise there is fuck all to be gained from sneering at the proletariat of America - in fact it is detrimental to our cause. After all, if we insult the masses how can we expect them to become class conscious - how can we expect them at our side come the revolution?

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 12:43 pm
I used to be big into anti-americanism - before I became a Marxist. I'm still heavily against the actions of America's neoliberal government but I recognise there is fuck all to be gained from sneering at the proletariat of America - in fact it is detrimental to our cause. After all, if we insult the masses how can we expect them to become class conscious - how can we expect them at our side come the revolution?
I would have thought that most anti-americans would only be against the American government and not the American people.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+September 08, 2007 11:46 am--> (Red_Anarchist @ September 08, 2007 11:46 am)
[email protected] 08, 2007 12:43 pm
I used to be big into anti-americanism - before I became a Marxist. I'm still heavily against the actions of America's neoliberal government but I recognise there is fuck all to be gained from sneering at the proletariat of America - in fact it is detrimental to our cause. After all, if we insult the masses how can we expect them to become class conscious - how can we expect them at our side come the revolution?
I would have thought that most anti-americans would only be against the American government and not the American people. [/b]
Sorry I should have been more clear - I meant the kind of "anti-americanism" that'd been displayed by one or two people in this thread - the kind that relies on the "white trash redneck" stereotype and of course on the strange belief that all Americans (especially rural) are know-nothing hicks.

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 05, 2007 04:15 am
I was astonished when I learned this at the stupidity of the typical conservative still clinging to the whole anti-Russian chauvinism. I've heard conservatives calling Putin a Communist, that capitalist Russia is a new Soviet Union.

The only arguments that these dumb conservatives use to describe Putin's capitalist regime as "Communist" is that Putin has proceeded to nationalize certain firms, that Putin was KGB, that the Russian capitalists were ex-Stalinists. It is true that nationalization is a necessity to maintain a successful planned and collectivized economy. But with capitalist Russia this is not the case. Nationalization in this case means open for private investment for Russia's firm. It is still privatized, so this has nothing to do with Communism. Adding to this, there is also the growing disagreements between Bush and Putin about U.S missiles in Europe. It amounts to nothing more than interimperialist rivalry. But these god bless america cons are too stupid to know this.

People like all conservative anti-Communists have no right to complain about Putin or his capitalist regime. Why? Because they all supported the very counter-revolutionary force which restored capitalism in Russia, and of which Putin is a part of. To the cons: You all wanted a post-Soviet world...you got one. So why are you complaining about Putin?

FSB=Okrana not KGB.
I agree, Putin is definetely not a communist.

But dont forget that Putin said that "The break up of the Soviet Union is one of the most tragic events in history". And russian schoolchildren are now going to learn about Stalin as an empire builder. There are also many other reasons to believe that he is a communist sympathizer.

BUT, he is probably just an imperialist hungry to get all those former Soviet countries under his control.

The russians are definetely up to something, there are often russian military aircrafts flying over Norway, who knows what they are doing here? And those giant bombs they are producing! :mellow:

I dont think there will be many years before they try to invade one of their neighbour countries.

[spartan]

I dont think there will be many years before they try to invade one of their neighbour countries.
unless something goes wrong byelorussia will be apart of russia soon or that is the stated goal of both sides (alot like moldova and romania wanting to reunite as they are one and the same except for their alphabets) though i am sure byelorussia did something or complained that something was going to prevent a unification with russia. i think the problem was financial or something. but if they did reunite (nothing is separating them when it comes to culture or ethnicity as they are both the same peoples seperated by borders and if i am not mistaken byelorussia and byelorussian means white russia and white russian respectively) then it will be "one down fourteen to go" for russia (unless of course they have plans for world domination in which case it would be "one down the rest of the world to go" :D ).

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:35 pm

I dont think there will be many years before they try to invade one of their neighbour countries.
unless something goes wrong byelorussia will be apart of russia soon or that is the stated goal of both sides (alot like moldova and romania wanting to reunite as they are one and the same except for their alphabets) though i am sure byelorussia did something or complained that something was going to prevent a unification with russia. i think the problem was financial or something. but if they did reunite (nothing is separating them when it comes to culture or ethnicity as they are both the same peoples seperated by borders and if i am not mistaken byelorussia and byelorussian means white russia and white russian respectively) then it will be "one down fourteen to go" for russia (unless of course they have plans for world domination in which case it would be "one down the rest of the world to go" :D ).


Yeah, i actually think Putin is making plans for world domination.
If they do invade one of their neighbours, it will probably be what starts WW3.

[Eleftherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 11:36 am
I refuse to believe anyone can be this stupid
Why not? After all, some conservatives actually think that liberals are communists who support terrorism and want America to fail. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American conservatives.

[ComradeR]

Well this is off topic but it seems Putin is planing to run for president again in 2012.

Why not? After all, some conservatives actually think that liberals are communists who support terrorism and want America to fail. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American conservatives.
This is true of conservatives in general.

[Dean]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 05, 2007 08:34 pm
Really, anti-Americanism that labels large sections of the country's working class is pretty reactionary.

It's absurd to blame working people who are bombarded with propaganda from birth for a lack of class consciousness, especially in the face of so many sell-outs from 'the left' and labor tops.
Of course, you're right. But that logic also applies to capitalists who have been bombarded with similar propaganda and a mentality that they deserve more than others, that their job as humans is to accumulate and defend wealth. I think it's amazing how people can be so fully for working class freedom, and recognize when the working class is manipulated, but also be choosy as to which humans are worthy of apology for the deformities visited upon them by the capitalist order. For me, and I think counterblast made a very good point about it in this thread (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=70939), it is not about the emancipation of simply the working class from capital, but all humans from it's dangerous grip.

[A Suvorov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 08:06 am
Given that a lot of conservatives think Bill Clinton was a Marxist... it doesn't strike me as surprising.

I was listening to a radio program today that described, in excruciating detail, how Hillary Clinton was a not-very-well-disguised Socialist. I was not surprised, however, to hear 'socialist' being used as an accusation instead of a political label.

(Hint: it was Sean Hannity's radio show- consider the source.)

[RGacky3]

People have a tendancy to Bash Americans as idiots and reactionary. But I've never mett bigger assholes than European Liberal wanna be philisophers.

I think a good example of how the stereo type of poor Southern Americans is wrong, is just look at the background of the word Redneck, it comes from Union members from the south, the United Mine Workers, who tied red bandanas around their necks, and were very very militant, almost revolutoinary, at least much more so than pompus European intelectual dickwads that thing that poor rural Americans are just dumb reactionaries. This attitude by some in the left in America really goes against Socialistic principles.

And you can't judge the South or Midwest or whatever by what assholes like Bill O'Reilly (Who happens to live in New York) say, BTW, the state I live in California, happens to have elected one of the most pro-Capitalist Governer around. Just because the South Generally elects republicans does'nt mean the ones that elects Deomcrats are any better.