"Wishing"

[Le Libérer]

We all do it. We wish to make passing grades, get a job, wish our sick friends to get well, even Happy Birthdays. But my question is, what effect does wishing have to our reality? DO we create future events by wishing them into being?

I have wished to do many things and they have happened. I also see people who pray would get the same effect. How much power do we have in our lives by wishing?

Like I said, I have wished for some crazy wacked things, those around me said would never happen, and I ended up blowing rasberries at them.

Whats your experience with wishing? And do you believe the act of wishing is a form of creation?

[JazzRemington]

It's probably a combination of both dumb luck and self fulfilling prophecy.

[rouchambeau]

Well there is a correlation... ;p

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 10:54 pm
It's probably a combination of both dumb luck and self fulfilling prophecy.
Agreed. But I would add working very hard to the mix, and at that point it stop being a wish and became a goal. But there was a catalyst that made it happen, and it was initially just a wish.

[Freigemachten]

I wish I could fly.

No matter how much I wish it it's not going to happen.

I wish I had done better on that last test.

Over and done with situation will not improve.

"Get well soon"

Well, unless they are terminally ill odds are they won't be sick forever.

Happy Birthday.

It's their fuckin birthday, who wouldn't be happy? Any one who isn't isn't going to be made more happy by your well wishing, unless its just a bit of a shitty day.

Wishing is nothing. It has no affect on reality. If you wish you could do better in school, try harder, if you wish, and you try, obviously you're going to do better in school. There is no correlation between the wish itself and the real world.

[Volderbeek]

Wishing can indeed make things happen. But there's no need to mystify how it does so. When you wish for something, you put your mind in the optimal state to accomplish the task or cause the event you were wishing for. Yeah, you can't jump off a building and expect to start flying, but if you wish to fly enough, you will probably end up learning how to fly a plane or go handgliding.

[guerilla E]

I get that with wishes and lies.

If I lie about something, it literally comes to bite me in the ass. Usually I make connections that symbolize life trying to teach me the lesson of being either honest or being careful about when I lie.

Take todays display for example - last week I lied to a friend and told her I got stuck in traffic, today (exactly 1 week after, seeing the SAME friend), my minibus got stuck behind a bus (that was stuck between two trees... Turkish drivers.) for nearly 2 hours. Or I lied to an ex girlfriend about my friend taking my phone for a day, the next day my friend really did accidently take my phone.

Wishes are the same.

The lesson here? We remember such events with seeming connections much better than the ones without such meaning, as such most likely the rate of these coincidences are much lower when compared to the wishes that did not come true.

Self motivation, selective memory, dumb luck, coincidence, symbolism - all play into this significantly.

[Freigemachten]

Originally posted by guerilla [email protected] 09, 2007 10:04 pm
I get that with wishes and lies.

If I lie about something, it literally comes to bite me in the ass. Usually I make connections that symbolize life trying to teach me the lesson of being either honest or being careful about when I lie.

Take todays display for example - last week I lied to a friend and told her I got stuck in traffic, today (exactly 1 week after, seeing the SAME friend), my minibus got stuck behind a bus (that was stuck between two trees... Turkish drivers.) for nearly 2 hours. Or I lied to an ex girlfriend about my friend taking my phone for a day, the next day my friend really did accidently take my phone.

Wishes are the same.

The lesson here? We remember such events with seeming connections much better than the ones without such meaning, as such most likely the rate of these coincidences are much lower when compared to the wishes that did not come true.

Self motivation, selective memory, dumb luck, coincidence, symbolism - all play into this significantly.
You talk about odd coincidence as though it has some meaning or purpose. How is this time stuck in traffic any different than any other time? it isn't you just attach meaning to it because it happened to be on a day on which you were going to see a friend that you had lied to.

Yes, lies often do come back to "bite us in the ass", but this is more due to the fact that you cannot keep up a lie, despite whatever quote you can come up with about a lie being repeated becoming the truth. Usually a lie will unravel in some way (obviously unless it is truly insignificant) and you will be caught in it.

For example, in high school, there would be weekends that I spent most of my free time doing homework. That's just the way it worked out, I knew it happened sometimes. There would be times in the year that I'd put off homework and tell my parents I had it done when really I didn't. Every now and then these weeks would coincide and I would be ridiculously overloaded with work. It was purely coincidental, it meant nothing besides the fact that I was terrible at time management.

Other times we are caught in lies simply because we cannot remember who has been told what and ones own story becomes confused and revelation is inevitable, that's just the way it is, it's not fate, it does not have meaning outside of the lesson that if you are going to lie, remember all of your lie, it will not be the truth, but it will take longer to be caught.

[Module]

You talk about odd coincidence as though it has some meaning or purpose. How is this time stuck in traffic any different than any other time? it isn't you just attach meaning to it because it happened to be on a day on which you were going to see a friend that you had lied to.

I think that was his or her point, which I agree with.
I went through this phase of every time I'd look at a digital clock it would be a palendromic number, 22:22, or something along those lines... and it went on for weeks! Every time I would look at a digital clock I would cry "Look!! Jesus christ what is happening here?!".
...But, the uninteresting truth I must accept... it was probably me being conscious of the possibility of those numbers playing with my internal clock.. and making me look at the time whenever I subconsciously suspected I would see such a number. (Or something of that nature.)

Guerilla E, what you said can especially apply to things like fortune cookies, or horoscopes. You always subconsciously try to make a connections with what they say and aspects of your life... but it's all complete bullshit.

[Freigemachten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:25 am


You talk about odd coincidence as though it has some meaning or purpose. How is this time stuck in traffic any different than any other time? it isn't you just attach meaning to it because it happened to be on a day on which you were going to see a friend that you had lied to.

I think that was his or her point, which I agree with.
I went through this phase of every time I'd look at a digital clock it would be a palendromic number, 22:22, or something along those lines... and it went on for weeks! Every time I would look at a digital clock I would cry "Look!! Jesus christ what is happening here?!".
...But, the uninteresting truth I must accept... it was probably me being conscious of the possibility of those numbers playing with my internal clock.. and making me look at the time whenever I subconsciously suspected I would see such a number. (Or something of that nature.)

Guerilla E, what you said can especially apply to things like fortune cookies, or horoscopes. You always subconsciously try to make a connections with what they say and aspects of your life... but it's all complete bullshit.
Yes, and when I look at the clock it is 12:34 at the moment it happens to be 3:47 3+4=7 Wow, it must mean something. No, it's jsut a coincidence.

[RedAnarchist]

I personally think that wishes that come true have acted like some sort of placebo - people think that the wish has helped them, but in reality other factors have been far more influential.

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by Freigemachten+September 10, 2007 04:37 am--> (Freigemachten @ September 10, 2007 04:37 am)
guerilla [email protected] 09, 2007 10:04 pm
I get that with wishes and lies.

If I lie about something, it literally comes to bite me in the ass. Usually I make connections that symbolize life trying to teach me the lesson of being either honest or being careful about when I lie.

Take todays display for example - last week I lied to a friend and told her I got stuck in traffic, today (exactly 1 week after, seeing the SAME friend), my minibus got stuck behind a bus (that was stuck between two trees... Turkish drivers.) for nearly 2 hours. Or I lied to an ex girlfriend about my friend taking my phone for a day, the next day my friend really did accidently take my phone.

Wishes are the same.

The lesson here? We remember such events with seeming connections much better than the ones without such meaning, as such most likely the rate of these coincidences are much lower when compared to the wishes that did not come true.

Self motivation, selective memory, dumb luck, coincidence, symbolism - all play into this significantly.
You talk about odd coincidence as though it has some meaning or purpose. How is this time stuck in traffic any different than any other time? it isn't you just attach meaning to it because it happened to be on a day on which you were going to see a friend that you had lied to.

Yes, lies often do come back to "bite us in the ass", but this is more due to the fact that you cannot keep up a lie, despite whatever quote you can come up with about a lie being repeated becoming the truth. Usually a lie will unravel in some way (obviously unless it is truly insignificant) and you will be caught in it.

For example, in high school, there would be weekends that I spent most of my free time doing homework. That's just the way it worked out, I knew it happened sometimes. There would be times in the year that I'd put off homework and tell my parents I had it done when really I didn't. Every now and then these weeks would coincide and I would be ridiculously overloaded with work. It was purely coincidental, it meant nothing besides the fact that I was terrible at time management.

Other times we are caught in lies simply because we cannot remember who has been told what and ones own story becomes confused and revelation is inevitable, that's just the way it is, it's not fate, it does not have meaning outside of the lesson that if you are going to lie, remember all of your lie, it will not be the truth, but it will take longer to be caught. [/b]
I think you significantly missed the point of my post there buddy.

What I meant to say is this, and I'll use an numerically inaccurate example;

You lie 2000 times a year, however 100 of these bite you in the ass.

You remember the 100 much better than the 1900 that didn't really lead to anything because your brain remembers the connection:
I lied and therefore it came to bite me in the ass

Henceforth you begin to develop selective memory about the subject, as such you may begin to rely on the connections you've formed to explain the coincidence, which altered by your selective memory may look more like 100 out of 200 lies lead to a 'bite in the ass'.

The initial paragraphed examples of the post were to demonstrate that I have the ability to recall those times that I lied with great accuracy where as I could not think clearly of a time when there were no such coincidences. Which demonstrates that my brain automatically categorized those instances as moments of significance, when in fact they were just coincidences.

Therefore I move to dismiss the motion that I implied coincidences have any more significance than to demonstrate the person's ability to make non existent connections with events and sprituality.

In order for this to be not off topic - change the word lie to wishes and you have the same formula.

P.S. Desrumeaux, I am a male.