Athenian revolution

[Alexander-hellenist]

People, the revolutions of the past 500 years are very bad examples of failed revolutions for one reasons they did not learn from the past.

The athenian uprising 2400 years ago proves that a uprising byt he workers and installation of direct democracy does work and it worked for a long time until miltary defeat, should that not the lesson we learn about revolutions as athens was a spontaeneous unorganised revolution that did so well, should that not be the revolution that shows the workers and people decide when to change rulers or systems?

[Raúl Duke]

byt he workers and installation of direct democracy

While the athenian democracy may be a fair example of democracy in action...it had one flaw:

It was basically a democracy for male slaveowners, not everyone.

[Alexander-hellenist]

yes that is true but putting it into context at the time every state was a slave owning state and each state relied upon slaves

[Tower of Bebel]

The material conditions for a real democracy, and for real socialism only excisted since the begining of the 20th century.

You can look at Athens in the same way as to France (1792-94). There you had the Jacobines struggeling against the bourgeoisie and aristocracy for more democracy. It failed and the the unrest kept the country instable for years. Bonapartism killed the working class' struggle in France.

In Athens real democracy was impossible and real socialism too. There were some gains for the lower class, yet not enough to speak of a real socialist city.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Alexander-[email protected] 29, 2007 02:32 am
yes that is true but putting it into context at the time every state was a slave owning state and each state relied upon slaves
Utter nonsense.

This is the same crap that came out of the US South in the late 1700s to mid 1800s. They insisted that their industries and perhaps even the national economy was derived from slavery.

They insisted that halting slavery would be the economic downfall of the entire nation.

They were wrong.

Chances are your fantasies are really about you being one of the slave owning rulers of an archaic society and not so much about the "brilliance" of Aristotle and ancient Grecian societies.