Fashwatch

[Forward Union]

www.Fashwatch.org

"Do you have information about fascist groups such as the BNP in your area?
Do you know of a venue they are using to meet? Has someone at work told you about a group or even invited you to join? Antifa need this information."

Support Fashwatch by forwarding any information you have to Fashwatch, or by ordering and distributing these stickers.

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[RedAnarchist]

Has this had a good effect so far, would you say?

Persoanlly, I can't really help as Preston doesn't seem to be infected with fascists like some of the bigger cities.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 02:03 am
Has this had a good effect so far, would you say?

Persoanlly, I can't really help as Preston doesn't seem to be infected with fascists like some of the bigger cities.
The responce from the British people has been really good actually. We've recieved loads of infomation!

[AntifaHooligan]

I think we need to improve fashwatch a little.

Just look at the nazis response to fashwatch (redwatch, pathetic :lol: ). They are adding personal info and pictures of left-wingers from all areas, and also left-wingers from the internet that they have info about. For all we know, info about us can be on redwatch right now.

I think we should do the same with fashwatch. Add pictures and personal info about all the scumbags you can find (including BNP politicians and all those people), and let people find them and take the law into their own hands.

It should still be possible to add info about fashes in your area, but this information should be added to the site aswell.

[spartan]

i think you are right AntifaHooligan! and its not as if the police and media are going to condem us for doing this as it would be politically incorrect for them to defend openly racist hitler worshipping nazi fascist scum!

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:44 pm
i think you are right AntifaHooligan! and its not as if the police and media are going to condem us for doing this as it would be politically incorrect for them to defend openly racist hitler worshipping nazi fascist scum!
Yeah. I have info about a few nazis in my area. But i wonder what happens if i submit that info to fashwatch. What do they do with the info they get, call the police? The only way to fight the nazi scum is to terrorize them and physically fighting them! Find out where they live, and then move in for hte attack.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:22 pm
I think we need to improve fashwatch a little.

Just look at the nazis response to fashwatch (redwatch, pathetic :lol:
Actually, not to take anything away from Fashwatch, I believe it was the other way round; redwatch started first. As far as Im aware its been online for years now.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+September 12, 2007 03:22 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ September 12, 2007 03:22 pm) I think we need to improve fashwatch a little.
[/b]
No. It's working fine.


Just look at the nazis response to fashwatch (redwatch, pathetic :lol: ). They are adding personal info and pictures of left-wingers from all areas, and also left-wingers from the internet that they have info about. For all we know, info about us can be on redwatch right now.

There is. Well, my picture and some info about me is already on there, and I couldn't care less. Apart from the fact that they aren't the best pictures of me. I might send them a better one on the condition that they remove the crap ones.


I think we should do the same with fashwatch. Add pictures and personal info about all the scumbags you can find (including BNP politicians and all those people), and let people find them and take the law into their own hands.

What would that achieve? Redwatch is a tool for intimidation, Fashwatch is an intelligence gathering initiative set up by Antifa. They have different goals, and so adding Fascists pictures to fashwatch would be a pointless exercise. It would reveal what we know, and I doubt it would scare them very much. I mean, does redwatch scare you? As you said it's "pathetic".


spartan
i think you are right AntifaHooligan! and its not as if the police and media are going to condem us for doing this as it would be politically incorrect for them to defend openly racist hitler worshipping nazi fascist scum!

I think you will find that Redwatch has been through various legal dramas, the state has tried to ban it numerous times. The hosts have come under incredible pressure to cancel the account...

It is a massive headache for the Fash to keep redwatch up and running, It also costs them a fair bit and is, all in all, a massive liability.

Why would we copy that?


Yeah. I have info about a few nazis in my area. But i wonder what happens if i submit that info to fashwatch. What do they do with the info they get, call the police? The only way to fight the nazi scum is to terrorize them and physically fighting them! Find out where they live, and then move in for hte attack.


Why would they phone the police? Being a fascist isn't illegal. Go to www.antifa.org.uk if you want to learn about the tactics of Antifa.

[AntifaHooligan]

Hm, i guess you are right.

But please tell me:
When you recieve info about fascists? What do you do?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 04:18 pm
Hm, i guess you are right.

But please tell me:
When you recieve info about fascists? What do you do?
It depends on a lot of things, the area, the type of infomation, how close we are to it etc.

I can't exactly say on a public board. But if you look in antifas newsletters you will see news reports of fascist meetings being trashed, or stoped by some other means, etc. And whoever did that obviously needed to know where they were meeting. Not that fashwatch would misue the infomation in that way. ;)

If you're interested in joining Antifa send me a private message.

[Omi]

I find it interesting for someone who calls himself 'AntifaHooligan' to not know anything about how the antifa-movement works. You're sure your such of a hooligan after all and you're sure your not some kid just braggin around how leftist you are?

Thanks anyway...

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 11:05 pm
I find it interesting for someone who calls himself 'AntifaHooligan' to not know anything about how the antifa-movement works. You're sure your such of a hooligan after all and you're sure your not some kid just braggin around how leftist you are?

Thanks anyway...
I dont know very much about fashwatch, no... :mellow:
But i am extremely passionate about the antifa movement!
I wish death to all nazis, and i must admit that i can be extremely militant in my views on this subject.
And i am actually considering devoting my life to antifa!
Yes, i am very young right now, but i hope i will be out on the streets in a few years fighting the fascist scum.
I think i can call myself an antifa.

Is that OK?

[1968]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+September 13, 2007 12:45 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ September 13, 2007 12:45 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 11:05 pm
I find it interesting for someone who calls himself 'AntifaHooligan' to not know anything about how the antifa-movement works. You're sure your such of a hooligan after all and you're sure your not some kid just braggin around how leftist you are?

Thanks anyway...

But i am extremely passionate about the antifa movement!
I wish death to all nazis, and i must admit that i can be extremely militant in my views on this subject.
And i am actually considering devoting my life to antifa!
[/b]
dear jesus.

:wacko:

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+September 13, 2007 01:45 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ September 13, 2007 01:45 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 11:05 pm
I find it interesting for someone who calls himself 'AntifaHooligan' to not know anything about how the antifa-movement works. You're sure your such of a hooligan after all and you're sure your not some kid just braggin around how leftist you are?

Thanks anyway...
I dont know very much about fashwatch, no... :mellow:
But i am extremely passionate about the antifa movement!
I wish death to all nazis, and i must admit that i can be extremely militant in my views on this subject.
And i am actually considering devoting my life to antifa!
Yes, i am very young right now, but i hope i will be out on the streets in a few years fighting the fascist scum.
I think i can call myself an antifa.

Is that OK? [/b]
Let me give you a few words of advice - read and learn. Before you can do anything for the revolutionary leftist movement, you must first understand that movement, its beliefs and what it aims to do. Theres a good list in the Literature subfourm, which you can find here (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=11920)

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+September 14, 2007 02:00 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ September 14, 2007 02:00 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 01:45 pm

[email protected] 12, 2007 11:05 pm
I find it interesting for someone who calls himself 'AntifaHooligan' to not know anything about how the antifa-movement works. You're sure your such of a hooligan after all and you're sure your not some kid just braggin around how leftist you are?

Thanks anyway...
I dont know very much about fashwatch, no... :mellow:
But i am extremely passionate about the antifa movement!
I wish death to all nazis, and i must admit that i can be extremely militant in my views on this subject.
And i am actually considering devoting my life to antifa!
Yes, i am very young right now, but i hope i will be out on the streets in a few years fighting the fascist scum.
I think i can call myself an antifa.

Is that OK?
Let me give you a few words of advice - read and learn. Before you can do anything for the revolutionary leftist movement, you must first understand that movement, its beliefs and what it aims to do. Theres a good list in the Literature subfourm, which you can find here (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=11920) [/b]
Thank you :)

[BorisTheBlade]

I live near all kinds of fascists. I live in Alabama.
:mellow:

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 02:00 pm
Let me give you a few words of advice - read and learn. Before you can do anything for the revolutionary leftist movement, you must first understand that movement
Our survey says?

No!

Any working class man or woman can get involved, and they don't have to pass their anarchist A-levels or get a degree in the history of our movement first. That's bullshit.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by William Everard+October 16, 2007 10:43 am--> (William Everard @ October 16, 2007 10:43 am)
[email protected] 14, 2007 02:00 pm
Let me give you a few words of advice - read and learn. Before you can do anything for the revolutionary leftist movement, you must first understand that movement
Our survey says?

No!

Any working class man or woman can get involved, and they don't have to pass their anarchist A-levels or get a degree in the history of our movement first. That's bullshit. [/b]
And you've misunderstood what I've said in that post. I didn't mean that they have to read every single Anarchist publication around - I meant that they should have a basic idea of what we stand for and our intended goals. Of course every working person can get involved - after all, it will be in their interests.

[guerilla E]

Oi, I've got a stack of info and photos based on Aussie Fascists and boneheads, but I got no place to send the info.

Fight 'em back could be a good option, but i dunno, if anyone else got a good place for me to send em.

Don't bother saying 'oh dont say this here, they might change their info' cuz ive already got their info recorded down along with photos, so unless they get plastic surgery aint gonna help much. WA comrades will especially like the selection of utterly useless little 17 year old boneheads devoid of any intelligence. If I find me a melbourne one....

The way of finding out stormfront identities, well for some of them, is rather easy, it only requires some information and bingo you've got a 100% match.

[Death of a Nation]

www.onepeoplesproject.com

You will find a lot of what you are looking for there.

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

You really ought to spend your time studying and dissecting modern Fascist arguments, and winning these working people back to the correct cause, instead of trying to pick fights like this.

[Death of a Nation]

No. Pick fights. Doesn't mean you have to get yourself in trouble, but pick fights. There's nothing to talk about. When we do discuss our positions, we should be prepared to defend them, but you have to keep people like this from advancing.

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

Originally posted by Death of a [email protected] 21, 2007 02:46 pm
No. Pick fights. Doesn't mean you have to get yourself in trouble, but pick fights. There's nothing to talk about. When we do discuss our positions, we should be prepared to defend them, but you have to keep people like this from advancing.
Here's the problem with that: Those "people", generally happen to be the very same masses we are supposed to be mobilizing. Either we get them, or the other side does. That goes for mainstream conservatives as well.

[Marsella]

Originally posted by guerilla [email protected] 20, 2007 05:58 am
Oi, I've got a stack of info and photos based on Aussie Fascists and boneheads, but I got no place to send the info.

Fight 'em back could be a good option, but i dunno, if anyone else got a good place for me to send em.

Don't bother saying 'oh dont say this here, they might change their info' cuz ive already got their info recorded down along with photos, so unless they get plastic surgery aint gonna help much. WA comrades will especially like the selection of utterly useless little 17 year old boneheads devoid of any intelligence. If I find me a melbourne one....

The way of finding out stormfront identities, well for some of them, is rather easy, it only requires some information and bingo you've got a 100% match.
Can you post em here? Or does the site forbid it?

How'd you get the pictures - surely they aren't that stupid to post them on Stormfront?

[Death of a Nation]

Originally posted by Cmde. Slavyanski+November 21, 2007 03:01 pm--> (Cmde. Slavyanski @ November 21, 2007 03:01 pm)
Death of a [email protected] 21, 2007 02:46 pm
No. Pick fights. Doesn't mean you have to get yourself in trouble, but pick fights. There's nothing to talk about. When we do discuss our positions, we should be prepared to defend them, but you have to keep people like this from advancing.
Here's the problem with that: Those "people", generally happen to be the very same masses we are supposed to be mobilizing. Either we get them, or the other side does. That goes for mainstream conservatives as well. [/b]
So you keep the door open for outreach to them, which is not hard to do, but you still have to remain adamant that there is only but so far they are allowed to go. Understanding that in many respects this is worker vs. worker doesn't help much when that particular worker hauls off and gets someone hurt or killed. Discuss, sure, debate, why not. Keep this crap from going further, most damn definitely.

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

Originally posted by Death of a Nation+November 21, 2007 03:05 pm--> (Death of a Nation @ November 21, 2007 03:05 pm)
Originally posted by Cmde. [email protected] 21, 2007 03:01 pm

Death of a [email protected] 21, 2007 02:46 pm
No. Pick fights. Doesn't mean you have to get yourself in trouble, but pick fights. There's nothing to talk about. When we do discuss our positions, we should be prepared to defend them, but you have to keep people like this from advancing.
Here's the problem with that: Those "people", generally happen to be the very same masses we are supposed to be mobilizing. Either we get them, or the other side does. That goes for mainstream conservatives as well.
So you keep the door open for outreach to them, which is not hard to do, but you still have to remain adamant that there is only but so far they are allowed to go. Understanding that in many respects this is worker vs. worker doesn't help much when that particular worker hauls off and gets someone hurt or killed. Discuss, sure, debate, why not. Keep this crap from going further, most damn definitely. [/b]
Well obviously when these people show signs that they are gaining power you have to oppose that. But then again you have to remember that in a lot of places, these people thrive on attention, any attention. This is especially true in the States for example. If they are ignored, they get angry and their groups break apart, usually due to infighting. But if they have an enemy to face, even if facing them means screaming over a line of cops, they get a rush, and they focus on activities like that. Read their forums if you don't believe me. Left to their own devices, they tear eachother apart with the infighting.

But as for what needs to be focused on, it's really more important to focus on mainstream right-wing groups, because they have more ties to the power structure. Plus, they serve as a breeding ground for these fascist movements anyway, so you might as well go for the root.

[Death of a Nation]

Originally posted by Cmde. Slavyanski+November 21, 2007 03:19 pm--> (Cmde. Slavyanski @ November 21, 2007 03:19 pm)
Originally posted by Death of a [email protected] 21, 2007 03:05 pm

Originally posted by Cmde. [email protected] 21, 2007 03:01 pm

Death of a [email protected] 21, 2007 02:46 pm
No. Pick fights. Doesn't mean you have to get yourself in trouble, but pick fights. There's nothing to talk about. When we do discuss our positions, we should be prepared to defend them, but you have to keep people like this from advancing.
Here's the problem with that: Those "people", generally happen to be the very same masses we are supposed to be mobilizing. Either we get them, or the other side does. That goes for mainstream conservatives as well.
So you keep the door open for outreach to them, which is not hard to do, but you still have to remain adamant that there is only but so far they are allowed to go. Understanding that in many respects this is worker vs. worker doesn't help much when that particular worker hauls off and gets someone hurt or killed. Discuss, sure, debate, why not. Keep this crap from going further, most damn definitely.
Well obviously when these people show signs that they are gaining power you have to oppose that. But then again you have to remember that in a lot of places, these people thrive on attention, any attention. This is especially true in the States for example. If they are ignored, they get angry and their groups break apart, usually due to infighting. But if they have an enemy to face, even if facing them means screaming over a line of cops, they get a rush, and they focus on activities like that. Read their forums if you don't believe me. Left to their own devices, they tear eachother apart with the infighting.

But as for what needs to be focused on, it's really more important to focus on mainstream right-wing groups, because they have more ties to the power structure. Plus, they serve as a breeding ground for these fascist movements anyway, so you might as well go for the root. [/b]
Oh, okay. We are squarely on the same page, word for word. I have been so used to people coming up with excuses not to fight at all, I just took your post as just more of the same. Please accept my apologies.

Hell, we need to talk further!

See, the way you say to operate is exactly how I have been doing it. I would add to what you say however and note that a lot of times there is no real political structure in their mindset. Many of them are a part of these groups because they have a lot of personal baggage and are trying to find ways to deal with it. I will also submit that the mainstream right-wings are not always going to be the root, but they will do their damndest to make sure things will grow from it. My thing has always been to tie the two groups together, mainstream and racist fringe, and more often than not, whenever I am tracking some bonafide fascist, I end up following them straight to some office building in DC or something where some lobbying group or politican has an office. So in many respects, we can do both - deal with the fringe fash and the mainstream right.

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by Martov+November 21, 2007 03:01 pm--> (Martov @ November 21, 2007 03:01 pm)
guerilla [email protected] 20, 2007 05:58 am
Oi, I've got a stack of info and photos based on Aussie Fascists and boneheads, but I got no place to send the info.

Fight 'em back could be a good option, but i dunno, if anyone else got a good place for me to send em.

Don't bother saying 'oh dont say this here, they might change their info' cuz ive already got their info recorded down along with photos, so unless they get plastic surgery aint gonna help much. WA comrades will especially like the selection of utterly useless little 17 year old boneheads devoid of any intelligence. If I find me a melbourne one....

The way of finding out stormfront identities, well for some of them, is rather easy, it only requires some information and bingo you've got a 100% match.
Can you post em here? Or does the site forbid it?

How'd you get the pictures - surely they aren't that stupid to post them on Stormfront? [/b]
I don't know if anyone here is interested in a bunch of teen boneheads from aus.

To answer your question, without giving away the leak, yes some of them are profoundly stupid, and predictable, but its more of a flaw with the site itself coupled with just idiot members. It shouldn't be too suprising.

Primary aim is to get some info on group members and times of their gatherings.

[Death of a Nation]

Originally posted by guerilla E+November 22, 2007 05:08 pm--> (guerilla E @ November 22, 2007 05:08 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 03:01 pm

guerilla [email protected] 20, 2007 05:58 am
Oi, I've got a stack of info and photos based on Aussie Fascists and boneheads, but I got no place to send the info.

Fight 'em back could be a good option, but i dunno, if anyone else got a good place for me to send em.

Don't bother saying 'oh dont say this here, they might change their info' cuz ive already got their info recorded down along with photos, so unless they get plastic surgery aint gonna help much. WA comrades will especially like the selection of utterly useless little 17 year old boneheads devoid of any intelligence. If I find me a melbourne one....

The way of finding out stormfront identities, well for some of them, is rather easy, it only requires some information and bingo you've got a 100% match.
Can you post em here? Or does the site forbid it?

How'd you get the pictures - surely they aren't that stupid to post them on Stormfront?
I don't know if anyone here is interested in a bunch of teen boneheads from aus.

To answer your question, without giving away the leak, yes some of them are profoundly stupid, and predictable, but its more of a flaw with the site itself coupled with just idiot members. It shouldn't be too suprising.

Primary aim is to get some info on group members and times of their gatherings. [/b]
Fight Dem Back works with One People's Project, which will also take the info.

[libertyboy]

Is anyone interested in the address of the local Tory constituency office.

we've got to carry the war to them.

No pasaran

[libertyboy]

Actually antifahooligan what about you? If I give you the details do you fancy ringing their doorbell and running away?

[fash=trash]

is there any thing like this in canada?

[Crest]

I'd certainly be willing to participate in these... *clears throught*... activites... but I'm afraid I don't live in the UK...

[Holden Caulfield]

heard on the 'grape vine' Nick Griffin will be visiting my fair town soon but need conformation on this if anybody knows fo sure, (its Carlisle btw)

anyone from the area got any schemes PM me, i don't think Cumbria has an antifa as such but i am looking into it and might try to form my own, which should be fun

[jaffe]

Actually antifahooligan what about you? If I give you the details do you fancy ringing their doorbell and running away?
:D

[AGITprop]

It's unfortunate there is no ANTIFA, here in Montreal. I think the closest thing we have is RASHmtl but I don;t know exactly what hey do. Anyone who lives in Montreal, be careful around Guy-Concordia metro, there are white supremacists that hang around there, especially at Andrews Pub on Guy, just south of St Catherine. I walked in there once with my girlfriend and there were a dozen of them Heil-ing while playing pool. I stayed anyway, my beer was already paid for :)

[Holden Caulfield]

any BNP member who so much as stood in a local election has their adress and post code, name etc on the council sites and can be easily found (along with all other candidates)

for example the people who stood in my area are here, including the one who died (the Upperby BNP candidate) and made my qeustion my denial of a higher power...

http://www.carlisle.gov.uk/pdf/Nominations%202008.pdf

[Holden Caulfield]

im gonna unstick this due to lack of activity and the info being rather old, anybody who wants it re-stickied PM me

;)

[Dean]

I think we need to improve fashwatch a little.

Just look at the nazis response to fashwatch (redwatch, pathetic :lol: ). They are adding personal info and pictures of left-wingers from all areas, and also left-wingers from the internet that they have info about. For all we know, info about us can be on redwatch right now.

I think we should do the same with fashwatch. Add pictures and personal info about all the scumbags you can find (including BNP politicians and all those people), and let people find them and take the law into their own hands.

It should still be possible to add info about fashes in your area, but this information should be added to the site aswell.

No, we should perhaps provide information on those who have committed violent acts. But to provide personal information based soley on political affiliation is to sink to their level of intimidation as Robin Hoodie accurately put it. It is a character of fascists to intimidate people this way, not leftists.

EDIT: I just realized this is old.. no wonder the link is defunct! oh well.

[Trystan]

You really ought to spend your time studying and dissecting modern Fascist arguments, and winning these working people back to the correct cause, instead of trying to pick fights like this.

I disagree. I just saw that Russia Nazi beheading video in which an immigrant is murdered just for being an immigrant. I used to take the liberal line "fighting them gives them more support and makes you just as bad". But this is bullshit. Fascism is to be destroyed before it can rear its ugly head again. Period.

[Holden Caulfield]

No, we should perhaps provide information on those who have committed violent acts. But to provide personal information based soley on political affiliation is to sink to their level of intimidation as Robin Hoodie accurately put it. It is a character of fascists to intimidate people this way, not leftists.


this isnt necessirily about 'fashwatch'

so we wait until the kick the shit out of a immigrant, stab a gay or a communist or burn down the local take-away? or we show that the communities will now allow fascist, rascist, homophobic, and hateful ideologies to be given time to develop into something dangerous, by which time a few acts of antifascist will not be enough, the weed must not be allowed to grow it must be stamped out. rascists/fascists/etc should not feel safe as long as they hold such twisted views and should not be allowed free reign to swagger around building support and 'credibility' as we sit back while they cock and load the gun before we take action,

am i not a leftist by your view? are the followers of antifa all not leftists?
dont take such an unrealistic moral view on events..


I disagree. I just saw that Russia Nazi beheading video in which an immigrant is murdered just for being an immigrant. I used to take the liberal line "fighting them gives them more support and makes you just as bad". But this is bullshit. Fascism is to be destroyed before it can rear its ugly head again. Period.

exactly,