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Le Libérer
23rd August 2007, 02:56
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The Next Lama: The Dalai Lama says he won't reincarnate in Tibet
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Aug. 20-27, 2007 issue - In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.

At 72, the Dalai Lama, who has lived in India since 1959, is beginning to plan his succession, saying that he refuses to be reborn in Tibet so long as it's under Chinese control. Assuming he's able to master the feat of controlling his rebirth, as Dalai Lamas supposedly have for the last 600 years, the situation is shaping up in which there could be two Dalai Lamas: one picked by the Chinese government, the other by Buddhist monks. "It will be a very hot issue," says Paul Harrison, a Buddhism scholar at Stanford. "The Dalai Lama has been the prime symbol of unity and national identity in Tibet, and so it's quite likely the battle for his incarnation will be a lot more important than the others."

So where in the world will the next Dalai Lama be born? Harrison and other Buddhism scholars agree that it will likely be from within the 130,000 Tibetan exiles spread throughout India, Europe and North America. With an estimated 8,000 Tibetans living in the United States, could the next Dalai Lama be American-born? "You'll have to ask him," says Harrison. If so, he'll likely be welcomed into a culture that has increasingly embraced reincarnation over the years. According to a 2005 Gallup poll, 20 percent of all U.S. adults believe in reincarnation. Recent surveys by the Barna Group, a Christian research nonprofit, have found that a quarter of U.S. Christians, including 10 percent of all born-again Christians, embrace it as their favored end-of-life view. A non-Tibetan Dalai Lama, experts say, is probably out of the question.
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RedStarOverChina
23rd August 2007, 07:34
At 72, the Dalai Lama, who has lived in India since 1959, is beginning to plan his succession, saying that he refuses to be reborn in Tibet so long as it's under Chinese control.

:lol: It's beyond me how this ridiculous old bastard could be taken seriously by the West.

And they call the CCP's act "absurd". What double standard.

ÑóẊîöʼn
23rd August 2007, 13:37
I wonder how they would stop people reincarnating without permission...

Le Libérer
23rd August 2007, 18:57
I think the whole thing is absurb. They saying you cant reincarnate without permission and the Dali Lama, refusing to reincarnate in China.

Tho I do like the Dali Lama, he has a nice smile. What hes done to improve this world? I couldnt tell ya.

NorthStarRepublicML
23rd August 2007, 20:20
I wonder how they would stop people reincarnating without permission...

i would guess a machine of some sort and i imagine it looks like a pipe organ ... perhaps its more like a telephone switchboard ...

Raúl Duke
23rd August 2007, 21:38
:rolleyes: :lol: :rolleyes:

This has to be the most dumbest thing ever....(well, maybe I've seen dumber things...but not recently).

The way the press reacted to it (its not even important news unless its to make fun of the whole idea), the CCP passing such a truly absurd law, and the stupidity of believing that something as hypothetical as reincarnation can be controlled, which is also hypothetical, and that the lama has the hypothetical ability to choose were to reincarnate. Even the idea that "experts" know that the next llama will be Tibeten

Red October
23rd August 2007, 21:39
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:37 am
I wonder how they would stop people reincarnating without permission...
They catch your soul in a box and send it to a reeducation camp.

Le Libérer
23rd August 2007, 23:32
Originally posted by Red October+August 23, 2007 03:39 pm--> (Red October @ August 23, 2007 03:39 pm)
[email protected] 23, 2007 07:37 am
I wonder how they would stop people reincarnating without permission...
They catch your soul in a box and send it to a reeducation camp.

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ABsolutely brilliant.


Johnny Even the idea that "experts" know that the next llama will be Tibeten

See, it was my understanding he has to reincarnate in Tibet. The fact he would change tradition or the cosmos as protest is halarious. Then again, part of him could carnate in Tibet and another part in another country. I think that is kosher in Buddhism. :D


i would guess a machine of some sort and i imagine it looks like a pipe organ ... perhaps its more like a telephone switchboard ...

Awesome visual there. Kinda like the Back from the Future movie? Or the Matrix? ;)

runningmadbull
24th August 2007, 05:04
The Chinese are stupid for doing this. The soul moves beyond bodies and borders. I believe reincarnation is a possibility, so I suppose I am one of the 10% of born again Christians who believes that. I think the Chinese are retarded to do this though, since there can be no certainty that this Dalai Lama stuff is real. So it goes against their leftist ideals. Now I know China is not leftist, but it is at least officially so in public policy.

freakazoid
24th August 2007, 05:31
This is just so they can use religion to for there own gain to control the masses. If they pick who the next Dalai Lama is then they can control what he says. This is going to be a much bigger problem then you guys seem to think. :(

Janus
25th August 2007, 21:56
Since this is obviously meant to be only applied to the reincarnation of the "Living Buddhas", the Chinese government is once again consolidating its control of the Tibetan Buddhist religious structure. The Chinese government already has a large degree of influence within the selection system through the appointment of the Panchen Lama as well as the search group so they will most likely appoint their own Dalai Lama in accord with the various rituals and protocols established for such a purpose.

RHIZOMES
25th August 2007, 23:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 04:04 am
The Chinese are stupid for doing this. The soul moves beyond bodies and borders. I believe reincarnation is a possibility, so I suppose I am one of the 10% of born again Christians who believes that. I think the Chinese are retarded to do this though, since there can be no certainty that this Dalai Lama stuff is real. So it goes against their leftist ideals. Now I know China is not leftist, but it is at least officially so in public policy.
Personally, if I thought reincarnation was real, I'd wonder why it's restricted to Earth. =P

NorthStarRepublicML
26th August 2007, 01:17
Personally, if I thought reincarnation was real, I'd wonder why it's restricted to Earth.

whoa .... good point ....

you might be the next dali lama ... you should at least tell people you are and then start an alien cult.

RHIZOMES
26th August 2007, 01:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 12:17 am

Personally, if I thought reincarnation was real, I'd wonder why it's restricted to Earth.

whoa .... good point ....

you might be the next dali lama ... you should at least tell people you are and then start an alien cult.
Yes I could! I think I'll call this new religion "Scientology".

Sickle of Justice
27th August 2007, 16:19
hahahaha....

i don't know guys, controlled reincarnation would be interesting, but if the chinese government could do it, wouldn't their be a lot more people who look exactly like Chairman Mao running around?

RHIZOMES
28th August 2007, 04:38
Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 27, 2007 03:19 pm
hahahaha....

i don't know guys, controlled reincarnation would be interesting, but if the chinese government could do it, wouldn't their be a lot more people who look exactly like Chairman Mao running around?
Wait, how could a dialectical materialist control reincarnation anyway? Is that another thing from Maoism that the Chinese government has shifted away from?

Severian
28th August 2007, 05:21
Reincarnation is a social institution in Tibet. There's a lot of supposedly reincarnate lamas. The religious hierarchy names their successors. Who inherit property, or used to, and positions of influence.

This is not actually news; the Chinese government has for some time insisted on controlling the process of naming lamas' successors. Just as it supervises the appointment of other clergy.

Actually, even past Chinese governments have done the same; one imperial dynasty instituted a process of choosing by lottery among candidates for the "Dalai Lama" post.

In practical terms, it means the exiles are running out of time; after the death of the current officeholder there will be two contending "Dalai Lamas", neither universally accepted.