unresolved warcrimes.

[bluescouse]

Ok, I am 50% jewish, by nation, I am not a zionist, and I think that there should be an investigation of zionist fascism as well in the the future, and I hopr cover this in the future.
This thread was inspired by this, brilliant link.
By red star over china.
http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=68592
Further googling gave me this link.
http://www.indiana.edu/~hisdcl/h207_2002/tokyo_war_trial.htm
And this; http://www.indiana.edu/~hisdcl/h207_2002/tokyo_war_trial.htm
What is apparrent here is that ; a) hirohito was guilty of attrocious war crimes, and was probably, a fascist, as was most of the japanese military.
b)that the japanese ruling class got out of a nuremburg prosecution.
c) that hirohito should have been executed.
d) That western capitalists, were complicit in hiding the role of the japanese monarchy, in these warcrimes. Probably because of, geographical. western, pacific, political/strategic reasons.
e)the japanese revisionists citing the bushido code
for their conduct, is as ridiculous, as it would be for a western country to cite feudal chivalry, to justify murder.
As someone 50% jewish, at least I can say the crimes of the nazis have been largely punished, although I feel the Roma's suffering need to have a lot more recognition. The suffering of the Chinese, the Koreans, and the people of south Asia need need recognition too.

[hajduk]

also the people in Srebrenica

see on

http://srebrenica.ba/

[bluescouse]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 06:07 pm
also the people in Srebrenica

see on

http://srebrenica.ba/
Yes it is a pity that people havent learned the lesson of sixty years ago and are still practising genocide.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by bluescouse+August 22, 2007 06:16 pm--> (bluescouse @ August 22, 2007 06:16 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 06:07 pm
also the people in Srebrenica

see on

http://srebrenica.ba/
Yes it is a pity that people havent learned the lesson of sixty years ago and are still practising genocide. [/b]
do you think they will learn the lesson or they will let the capitalists to do what they do?

[Dominicana_1965]

3 million Vietnamese people are still affected and continue to pass it on to their kids. Thanks to a chemical dropped by the U.S. during the Vietnam war, even though Monsantos & Dow Chemicals and other chemical companies knew the ending result they still sold in the name of wonderful profit.

[bluescouse]

Originally posted by hajduk+August 22, 2007 06:25 pm--> (hajduk @ August 22, 2007 06:25 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 06:16 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 06:07 pm
also the people in Srebrenica

see on

http://srebrenica.ba/
Yes it is a pity that people havent learned the lesson of sixty years ago and are still practising genocide.
do you think they will learn the lesson or they will let the capitalists to do what they do? [/b]
The instinct of capitalists, of areas like the balkans, and probably, the rest of the world, is divide and rule. If there are not national divisions, ie language, nation, they will invent artificial ones like religion, etc.
They will use any means to keep/gain control.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by bluescouse+August 22, 2007 06:30 pm--> (bluescouse @ August 22, 2007 06:30 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 06:25 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 06:16 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 06:07 pm
also the people in Srebrenica

see on

http://srebrenica.ba/
Yes it is a pity that people havent learned the lesson of sixty years ago and are still practising genocide.
do you think they will learn the lesson or they will let the capitalists to do what they do?
The instinct of capitalists, of areas like the balkans, and probably, the rest of the world, is divide and rule. If there are not national divisions, ie language, nation, they will invent artificial ones like religion, etc.
They will use any means to keep/gain control. [/b]
shit :angry:

[Lamanov]

What about Srebrenica? Most of the people that were involved by a chain of command are on trial. Of course, two top executives are "on the run", but it doesn't mean that this should be pressed in such xenophobic manner, when it's obvious that Srebrenica is used by the nationalists who want to keep up their nationalist sentiment.

Srebrenica is used by Bosniak nationalists just as other war crimes are used by representatives of other national interests (just like Serbs use ethnic cleansing from Croatia, or Jasenovac, or as Croats use Bleiburg or Vukovar): they use it exclusively, and they use only examples of their own tragedy, minimizing everything else. Website linked by hajduk only proves that: this website exists only for protection of Bosniak national interests, with a hint of castration complexity. [*read bottom note]

What now? Go so far as proclaiming "collective guilt"? Do we ask of the Serbs "as a nation" to "admit" guilt? To what? Being a victim of nationalist propaganda? Taking part in a war - unwanted for most people? Everyone has their equal share of "guilt".

Instead of falling along the lines of nationalist rhetoric, which includes constant but exclusive hue over Srebrenica, or exclusive hue over "loosing for centuries owned land", or exclusive hue over Vukovar, radical left must refuse aid to those criminal attempts of using personal tragedy for nationalist propaganda, even if it's conducted by those directly affected. [*read bottom note]

The "collective insanity" must stop, now!

We should remind ourselves of the heroes who fell as victims of nationalism but refused to reciprocate in the same, nationalist manner.


* [note: for example, take this request into consideration. It [website (http://srebrenica.ba/)] states: "number of war criminals charged of genocide over Bosniak population in Srebrenica ... should be proportional to the size of the genocide and the number of victims." Are you serious? Should this "eye for an eye" policy be taken as something 'human'? This obviously has nothing to do with "justice" but with revenge. Statement continues: "international community should accept the fact that Bosniak population in Podrinje [whole north-eastern Bosnia], and the whole Bosnia and Herzegovina, was and is, an object of campaign of biological extermination." International reader may get an impression that the war is still on, but nothing of that sort is real. All public institutions work under a watchful eye of international representatives, who make national equality their primary concern. Sure, national tension exist, everywhere, and on all sides. But why is this not mentioned? Besides, whose 'campaign' would that be? This might give us a hint: "When will the Serbian people, with its representatives, publicly face the fact that there was ... a genocide ..." Blaming the whole nation for collective amnesia is rather peculiar. It stems from the fact that all holy knights of nationalism - never mind the 'nation' - use this sort of public talk, through which they try to implant the "collective guilt" reasoning, accusing "whole" nations for nationalism.]

[bluescouse]

This is a very challenging question. I don't believe in collective guilt.
I still see what happened in jugoslavia as a civil war, in that everyone speaks the same language, and appear to have a similar culture. The war was caused by the descent into capitalism, and capitalists trying to influence certain regions into their sphere of influence.
The war crimes still have to be answered for, but why just the Serb warcrimes? The croats also performed warcrimes against the Bosnians, and the Serbs.
The biggest warcrime in the region was caused by the western powers when they caused the break up of jugoslavia.
I am not a Titoist, but in my opinion it was a much better country then than it is now.
All the same anyone who drags people to pits and machine guns them should have to answer for their crimes.

[Lamanov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 10:22 pm
The war crimes still have to be answered for, but why just the Serb warcrimes?

Well, of course, there should be no justifying, it's obvious. I figured this goes without saying.

But that's not the point. I was talking about the manner in which these crimes are used by nationalists on "other side". Nationalist rhetoric blurs everything else, especially class struggle, with well constructed and constant media coverage.

See, for example, what happened on a day of commemoration of Srebrenica massacre, July 11th (this year): when all media gave its attention to Srebrenica and the commemoration (almost all TV channels in Federation were broadcasting the ceremony), police was removing the improvised tent village set up by agricultural workers two years ago in front of the Council of Ministers in the capital of Sarajevo (in protest of government policy that impoverishes small agricultural producers). This caused fury among the people of the city, but impressions were largely suppressed by ongoing media festival about Srebrenica, demands for apprehension of war criminals, talks on cooperation with war tribunal, national question, etc.

[News in serbo-croat. (http://www.tnt.radio.ba/vijesti/vijesti-11.juli-2007.html)]

[bluescouse]

My first post was just trying to expose expose the way capitalism, post war, was willing to prosecute one group of nazis, but because of strategic, and racist, interests, willing to let another group off.
I have to add I do not believe in collective blame. I do firmly believe that those involved in collective murder in any time period should be tried and punished.
As for jugoslavia. I do not think ethnic cleansing is the right word for it, only in that in my they are all the same ethnic group, ie the only differences, appear to be religious, for example, the croats are catholic, the serbs are eastern church greek/ russian orthodox, and the bosnians are largely moslem, during the titoist period this wasn't important, bring in capitalism, and all off a sudden it becomes an issue. Religious cleansing perhaps. they all speek serbo croat, the alphabet they each choose is governed by their religion.
The word balkanisation was coined by Marx, for this very region, 120 years ago, about artificial nations being created there by capitalist interests. Joseph Conrad noticed the same trend in central america.
All the same no one should be allowed to get away with mass murder.

[hajduk]

BUT guys bluescouse and DJ-TC how Germans in Nunmberg admit collective gyiltu?
On the same way Radical Serbs does holocaust in Bosnia,not ethnic cleansening (what supposed to be cleaned?) over 80% of Serbs been radical chetnicks during Milosevich rule the Serbia, that is the fact, even now they admit they are chetnicks (pointing three fingers,selling the chetnicks items etc.)
yes i agree with DJ-TC that politicians use the war crimes to cover himself but that is not exuse for what Radical Serbs do to Bosnians and Radical Croatians do also in Ahmichi willage in central Bosnia and if we speaking that on every side was a war crimes results are 9:1 for chetnicks
to proove that see what happened when i with my band played in Novi Sad on EXIT festival 2005
on sound system we releace the speeches of Serbian politicians who judging chetnicks war crimes,when chetnicks hear Natasha Kandich who said that for those crimes the guilty part is THE GREAT SERBO AGRESSION chetnicks are start to hit us with bootles droping them on us on the stage and threating to us that we are going to be slaughtered and pointing to us with three fingers (DJ-TC can explain to you bluescouse what is that mean)
in Novi Sad the city which is in Vojvodina the part of the Serbia state, the maine political party is THE VOJISLAV SHESHELJ radicals the other words chetnicks
after speeches are finished we play the song BRING THE SYSTEM DOWN
and then aftwer we gone from a stage Serbian Radicals bring the Serbian flag and start to vave with them in a manner to proove to us that they are not loosers
see it....both of you and give me your opinion

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sffqiiSX7bs

[Lamanov]

Originally posted by hajduk+August 23, 2007 05:14 pm--> (hajduk @ August 23, 2007 05:14 pm) BUT guys bluescouse and DJ-TC how Germans in Nunmberg admit collective gyiltu? [/b]

They didn't. It was a trial of individuals: Nazis.


Originally posted by hajduk+--> (hajduk)...over 80% of Serbs been radical chetnicks during Milosevich rule the Serbia...[/b]

'Chetnik' ('Četnik') means: a member of radical Serb ethnic nationalist liberation movement from WWII; term is used today for association, but more accurately, for Serb nationalist volunteers in latest civil war. (Some use it to describe whole Serb army composed of conscripts, which is wrong. It would be like accusing every Italian soldier in WWII that he was a "fascist".)

Saying that 80% of population was 'chetnik' makes no sense. Even in the first context, of mere 'support'.

Hajduk is forgetting a huge anti-war and anti-regime movement in Serbia, election fraud, mass media manipulation, etc. Basically, he's forgetting all "rules of engagement" in war applied in one country.


[email protected]
...speaking that on every side was a war crimes results are 9:1 for chetnicks...

In what? Victims? And?


hajduk
(DJ-TC can explain to you bluescouse what is that mean)

Why would I explain what it means? [Emphasis on the "I".]

[hajduk]

Originally posted by DJ-TC+August 23, 2007 06:10 pm--> (DJ-TC @ August 23, 2007 06:10 pm)
Originally posted by hajduk+August 23, 2007 05:14 pm--> (hajduk @ August 23, 2007 05:14 pm) BUT guys bluescouse and DJ-TC how Germans in Nunmberg admit collective gyiltu? [/b]

They didn't. It was a trial of individuals: Nazis.


Originally posted by hajduk
...over 80% of Serbs been radical chetnicks during Milosevich rule the Serbia...

'Chetnik' ('Četnik') means: a member of radical Serb ethnic nationalist liberation movement from WWII; term is used today for association, but more accurately, for Serb nationalist volunteers in latest civil war. (Some use it to describe whole Serb army composed of conscripts, which is wrong. It would be like accusing every Italian soldier in WWII that he was a "fascist".)

Saying that 80% of population was 'chetnik' makes no sense. Even in the first context, of mere 'support'.

Hajduk is forgetting a huge anti-war and anti-regime movement in Serbia, election fraud, mass media manipulation, etc. Basically, he's forgetting all "rules of engagement" in war applied in one country.


[email protected]
...speaking that on every side was a war crimes results are 9:1 for chetnicks...

In what? Victims? And?


hajduk
(DJ-TC can explain to you bluescouse what is that mean)

Why would I explain what it means? [Emphasis on the "I".] [/b]
Germans who didnt comit crimes admited in a court in the name of all Germans that are guilty for holocaust and they are appologise
Nazi are just been prosecuted

Chetnicks are royalist who are fight in W.W.II for Karadzordzevich royal dunasty
chetnicks support monarchy and dunasty of Karadzordzevich
chetnicks are part of the similar movement from russia which called kozacs (Rasputin)
kozacs are fight for dunasty Romanov during the bolshevik revolution and even now they still dreaming about monarchy like chetnicks dreaming about Great Serbia under Karadzordzevich royall familly


no i didnt forget when you make anti-war campaign against NATO bombing of Chetnicks military campus,called "WE ARE ALL TARGETS"
but DJ-TC explain to me why is Željko Ražnjatović Arkan came on concert which is made for promoting this campagne? Becouse Arkan is a war hero, or war criminal? And actualy what did you whant to do with this campagne? To fight against american imperialism? hahahahah How can you say anything to americans when chetnicks are same fascist like NATO? How can you say anything like, that you are with this campagne fought against american fascism, when you ask from one of the biggest war criminals and fascist to support you (Arkan)?
Yes you bring Milosevich down and you got great respect from me BUT Milosewich fall becouse he didnt do what he promise to voters in Serbia and that is Great Serbia
and man who help you to bring Milosevich in HAG is another war criminal called MILORAD LUKOVICH a.k.a. LEGIJA who make a plan for assasination of a god man and god politican ZORAN DJINDJICH
MILORAD LUKOVICH been prosecuted by the serbian court and wright now he is in jail only becouse some politicians been involve in DJINDJICH assasination and by that it is better for them that LEGIJA spend 40 years in prison becouse inside the prison he is war hero for serbian convicts so....
you see comrades ZORAN make mistake becouse he promise to LEGIJA that he will not bee prosecuted after Milosevich fall down
but ZORAN did not do the promise and he been killed by LEGIJA and his crew

whatever you take victims or something else it is the same result in war crimes
chetnicks 9
others 1



explain becouse i whant to know and becouse you more informated about this
i will start with what i know and you can continue
three fingers in chetnicks folk culture means HOOLY TRINITY, am i right DJ-TC?

and DJ-TC what do you think about what happened to us in Novi Sad, you watch?

[Lamanov]

Why are you saying "you"? Why are you calling all Serbs 'chetniks'? Why would I know more about 'three fingers'? What the fuck is all that supposed to mean?

Hajduk, I think you're a nationalist. :!:

[hajduk]

Originally posted by DJ-[email protected] 24, 2007 01:36 pm
Why are you saying "you"? Why are you calling all Serbs 'chetniks'? Why would I know more about 'three fingers'? What the fuck is all that supposed to mean?

Hajduk, I think you're a nationalist. :!:
no i am not and you know that very well
i say Radical Serbs, NOT Serbs

[hajduk]

DJ-TC i not accusing you for nothing i just speaking about facts
yes in Bosnia also Franjo Tudjman president of Croatia let mudjahedins to past the Bosnian border and to fight on our side but i didnt like that at all becouse most of those so called "soldiers of islam" are just mercenaries and nothing else and during the war they try by the brutal force to make of Bosnia islamic state what we rejected so dont call me nationalist DJ-TC becouse you cant proove me that i am wrong

[Lamanov]

I can't see that distinction. You say clearly:


Originally posted by hajduk
...over 80% of Serbs been radical chetnicks during Milosevich rule the Serbia...

You used a word "you" 16 times in your last post. What the fuck?

Now I ask you:

- Are positions brought out in 'Women of Srebrenica' website [link (http://srebrenica.ba)] nationalist positions: yes or no?

[hajduk]

DJ-TC i whant you to explain abou three fingers becouse i have girlfrend which she been lucky becouse she escape to America during agression on Bosnia
so she have ocasion to go on in LA and watch game beetwen LA.LAKERS and CHICAGO BULLS
every time when VLADE DIVAC make three score he point in the air three fingers
my girl friend which escape from chetnicks who whant to rape her start to cry
becouse she think that she safe from chetnicks,in America
that is why would I likE DJ-TC to explain to me and other comrades the meaninig of that

[hajduk]

Originally posted by DJ-TC+August 24, 2007 01:56 pm--> (DJ-TC @ August 24, 2007 01:56 pm) I can't see that distinction. You say clearly:


hajduk
...over 80% of Serbs been radical chetnicks during Milosevich rule the Serbia...

You used a word "you" 16 times in your last post. What the fuck?

Now I ask you:

- Are positions brought out in 'Women of Srebrenica' website [link (http://srebrenica.ba)] nationalist positions: yes or no? [/b]
position is
Mladich with his own army killed people in Srebrenica
i advise to you to listen the song by RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE "KILLING IN THE NAME"
For what political option Mladich killed people in Srebrenica?
Indenpendent Bosnia and Herzegowina?!!

[Lamanov]

Look braindead, why are you even mentioning that when it's clear that no one on this entire board could in any way justify that massacre (or any other for that matter)?

We're obviously not talking about crimes per se, but the manner in which they are used for nationalist propaganda. I that context, you owe us an answer.

P.S.

Why the fuck would I explain the meaning that symbol? Why me?

[bcbm]

the croats are catholic, the serbs are eastern church greek/ russian orthodox, and the bosnians are largely moslem, during the titoist period this wasn't important, bring in capitalism, and all off a sudden it becomes an issue.

As I understand the history, it wasn't that it "wasn't important," per se, it was just that Tito made it a non-issue and kept it swept under the rug, even though there were still significant problems of ethnic tension left over from the pre-Tito era, especially during WWII. When soviet bloc fell apart, various politicians (the nationalists, and the old guard) saw political capital in exploiting those old wounds and stirring up feelings of ethnic pride and tension, resulting in the conflict that followed. It wasn't really an issue of capitalists trying to divide and conquer. NATO got involved precisely because the war wasn't in the interests of the imperialists.

---


i whant you to explain abou three fingers

Its a nationalist salute. What's your point?

[hajduk]

it is not nationalist salute
it is royal salute which become nationalist salute
like english says GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
my point is that chetnicks work for imperialists and they are involved in politization of war crimes where the war crimes they commit try to represent like some kind revleft revolution
during the 40-hies HOLLYWOOD make a movie about leader of chetnicks DRAZHA MIHAJLOVIC and in that movie director presented the DRAZHA like some kind revoutionary guerrilla soldier?!!
so with this, chetnicks whant to cover up the war crimes commited by them
DJ-TC continue to insolting me becouse he think that i have something against him which i not
and DJ-TC i am all the time on a right course on this post
and you didnt answer me the question about EXIT 2005
what do you think about that DJ-TC?

[bcbm]

it is not nationalist salute
it is royal salute which become nationalist salute

Ergo, it is a nationalist salute.

As for the rest, I've read through this thread and I'm having a hard time understanding what the point you want to make has to do explicitly with DJ-TC.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 24, 2007 03:37 pm

it is not nationalist salute
it is royal salute which become nationalist salute

Ergo, it is a nationalist salute.

As for the rest, I've read through this thread and I'm having a hard time understanding what the point you want to make has to do explicitly with DJ-TC.
i think that you didnt read well
for whom chetnicks are fighting for?
read again <_<

[bcbm]

Re-read it and I still don&#39;t see what DJ-TC has to do with your point on a personal level, which you seem to be bringing it to.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 24, 2007 04:00 pm
Re-read it and I still don&#39;t see what DJ-TC has to do with your point on a personal level, which you seem to be bringing it to.
What tha hell you talkin about?

[hajduk]

HAJDUK:DJ-TC i not accusing you for nothing
DJ-TC:Hajduk, I think you&#39;re a nationalist
HAJDUK:DJ-TC continue to insolting me becouse he think that i have something against him which i not
DJ-TC:Look braindead

so who is got personal issue problem?

[bcbm]

Originally posted by hajduk+August 24, 2007 10:15 am--> (hajduk @ August 24, 2007 10:15 am)
black coffee black [email protected] 24, 2007 04:00 pm
Re-read it and I still don&#39;t see what DJ-TC has to do with your point on a personal level, which you seem to be bringing it to.
What tha hell you talkin about? [/b]
Um, you quite openly accused him of being supportive of Arkan, at least peripherally...

[hajduk]

i didnt acuse him i acuse young people in Serbia who play naive about Arkan and why NATO bombing military and infrastructure targets but see why he think that acused him
look what he was say

Everyone has their equal share of "guilt"........... WOOOOW this is for a Pulitzer

Of course, two top executives are "on the run"........... No shit

Website linked by hajduk only proves that: this website exists only for protection of Bosniak national interests, with a hint of castration complexity...............WOOOOOOW this is for OSCAR

We should remind ourselves of the heroes who fell as victims of nationalism but refused to reciprocate in the same, nationalist manner..........And heroes are?

Blaming the whole nation for collective amnesia is rather peculiar. It stems from the fact that all holy knights of nationalism - never mind the &#39;nation&#39; - use this sort of public talk, through which they try to implant the "collective guilt" reasoning, accusing "whole" nations for nationalism............I told him to watch our clip in Novi Sad i put the link but ..

[hajduk]

but OSCAR goes to

&#39;Chetnik&#39; (&#39;Četnik&#39;) means: a member of radical Serb ethnic nationalist LIBERATION?&#33; movement from WWII; term is used today for ASSOCIATION?&#33;, but more accurately, for Serb nationalist VOLUNTEERS?&#33; in latest CIVIL WAR?&#33;. (Some use it to describe whole Serb army composed of conscripts, which is wrong...SEE THE CLIP MAN from EXIT 2005

[bluescouse]

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 24, 2007 02:51 pm

the croats are catholic, the serbs are eastern church greek/ russian orthodox, and the bosnians are largely moslem, during the titoist period this wasn&#39;t important, bring in capitalism, and all off a sudden it becomes an issue.

As I understand the history, it wasn&#39;t that it "wasn&#39;t important," per se, it was just that Tito made it a non-issue and kept it swept under the rug, even though there were still significant problems of ethnic tension left over from the pre-Tito era, especially during WWII. When soviet bloc fell apart, various politicians (the nationalists, and the old guard) saw political capital in exploiting those old wounds and stirring up feelings of ethnic pride and tension, resulting in the conflict that followed. It wasn&#39;t really an issue of capitalists trying to divide and conquer. NATO got involved precisely because the war wasn&#39;t in the interests of the imperialists.

---


i whant you to explain abou three fingers

Its a nationalist salute. What&#39;s your point?
history of capitalist interference in yugoslavia.
http://www.deltax.net/bissett/western.htm
6. PREMATURE RECOGNITION




"Despite strong pressure from the United States and opposition from France and Britain, Germany’s determination to grant recognition prevailed. Chancellor Kohl was able to obtain French and British approval by granting concessions relating to the EC monetary union and Britain was allowed to opt out of the treaty’s social charter. "
It is irrevelent which capitalist country, decided to stir the shit. The fault still lies with outside capitalist agitation.

[вор в законе]

Indonesia, Suharto over 500000-1000000+ slaughtered in 1965-66.

Good and Bad Genocide (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1433)

[bluescouse]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 24, 2007 09:30 pm
Indonesia, Suharto over 500000-1000000+ slaughtered in 1965-66.

Good and Bad Genocide (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1433)
Good post.

[Lamanov]

Hajduk, we can&#39;t read your mind, and no one wants to guess what you actually mean, even if you emphasise certain words when you quote other people&#39;s posts.

What are you actually saying?

[hajduk]

Originally posted by bluescouse+August 24, 2007 09:07 pm--> (bluescouse @ August 24, 2007 09:07 pm)
black coffee black [email protected] 24, 2007 02:51 pm

the croats are catholic, the serbs are eastern church greek/ russian orthodox, and the bosnians are largely moslem, during the titoist period this wasn&#39;t important, bring in capitalism, and all off a sudden it becomes an issue.

As I understand the history, it wasn&#39;t that it "wasn&#39;t important," per se, it was just that Tito made it a non-issue and kept it swept under the rug, even though there were still significant problems of ethnic tension left over from the pre-Tito era, especially during WWII. When soviet bloc fell apart, various politicians (the nationalists, and the old guard) saw political capital in exploiting those old wounds and stirring up feelings of ethnic pride and tension, resulting in the conflict that followed. It wasn&#39;t really an issue of capitalists trying to divide and conquer. NATO got involved precisely because the war wasn&#39;t in the interests of the imperialists.

---


i whant you to explain abou three fingers

Its a nationalist salute. What&#39;s your point?
history of capitalist interference in yugoslavia.
http://www.deltax.net/bissett/western.htm
6. PREMATURE RECOGNITION




"Despite strong pressure from the United States and opposition from France and Britain, Germany’s determination to grant recognition prevailed. Chancellor Kohl was able to obtain French and British approval by granting concessions relating to the EC monetary union and Britain was allowed to opt out of the treaty’s social charter. "
It is irrevelent which capitalist country, decided to stir the shit. The fault still lies with outside capitalist agitation. [/b]
are you serious?

[hajduk]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 24, 2007 09:30 pm
Indonesia, Suharto over 500000-1000000+ slaughtered in 1965-66.

Good and Bad Genocide (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1433)
this is god post

[hajduk]

Originally posted by DJ&#045;[email protected] 24, 2007 11:39 pm
Hajduk, we can&#39;t read your mind, and no one wants to guess what you actually mean, even if you emphasise certain words when you quote other people&#39;s posts.

What are you actually saying?
i am saying that chetnicks (NOT SERBS) with politic try to racinalise what they do in Bosnia and that is immposible
DJ-TC you say that Bosnians whant to protect national interests by site i linked
NO.....mothers of Srebrenica only whant to find bodies of his sons,daughters,husbands and other relatives which are been killed but politicians in Bosnia use Srebrenica to collect the votes and i say to you that i agree with you about this
i am not accusing you i accuse those who are knows what happened in Bosnia but they racionalise war crimes speaking of equal share of guilt,there is no collective guilt etc.
for example you are intelligent guy so whay dont find what chetnicks do in Bosnia,make research, find war criminals etc.
Bosnians are sent everyone in HAG who commit war crimes in the name of Bosnians (general Rasim Delich is in prison in HAG) but HAG say that genocide happened only in Srebrenica?&#33;WOOOOOOW
becouse europians know wery god what happened here so they must cover himself
and with that way of thinking proofs always finishing in files of unresolved war crimes

[Lamanov]

I know well enough what happened. Stop trolling and learn proper English grammar.

P.S.

You said 80% of Serbs are &#39;Chetniks&#39;. Everyone can see that. You better explain your previous posts, where you emphasise my quotes&#33;

[hajduk]

Originally posted by DJ&#045;[email protected] 25, 2007 08:30 pm
I know well enough what happened. Stop trolling and learn proper English grammar.

P.S.

You said 80% of Serbs are &#39;Chetniks&#39;. Everyone can see that. You better explain your previous posts, where you emphasise my quotes&#33;
look you know what i meant i already explain to you
if you wach the clip in Novi Sad that is my point