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R_P_A_S
20th August 2007, 19:41
There are many activities and hobbies that are consider for "rich people" the fact that they have more money and more security allows them to have time for them and to afford them.

As opposed to working class people who spend more than 40 hours a week working and who are drowned in debt and social issues.

Rock Climbing
Scuba Diving
Sailing
Vacations to other countries
Musicals and Theater performances
Art shows
etc.
etc.
etc.

I guess i have two questions: how much do you guys think that this affects our upbringing and development? not being exposed to these activities on regular basis? and if we are its once in a life time.

Would this type of hobbies and activities be consider "rich people things" in a socialist society?

Schrödinger's Cat
20th August 2007, 21:47
There would be no distinctive class of "rich" people to compare that with. :) Even Leftists who believe in some level of worker-determined wealth disparity [prior to communism] have it that the rich won't be apart from the rest of the world.

Currently when a new technology or method is produced that cuts work time the workers are laid off and shuffled to an unimportant or overextensive field like fast food and retail. With the workers in control this new technology/method would be developed and the workers could then enjoy more leisure time. Eventually it will reach the point where technology replaces the mundane labor and we can enjoy what we want, contributing to the greater good of humanity to the best of our abilities without having to worry about the state/money restrictions/ridicule. Out of the 6+ billion people, someone somewhere has an interest in something. By achieving communism, my neighbor could develop a new steering wheel with no restrictions and then the design would go out to whoever needed it.

The connection between an act and a class keeps many people from seeing if they'd like to [golf, eat at fine diners, sail]. I love theater, and that's viewed as a snobbish "rich" thing.

Saint Street Revolution
21st August 2007, 18:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 08:47 pm
There would be no distinctive class of "rich" people to compare that with. :) Even Leftists who believe in some level of worker-determined wealth disparity [prior to communism] have it that the rich won't be apart from the rest of the world.

Currently when a new technology or method is produced that cuts work time the workers are laid off and shuffled to an unimportant or overextensive field like fast food and retail. With the workers in control this new technology/method would be developed and the workers could then enjoy more leisure time. Eventually it will reach the point where technology replaces the mundane labor and we can enjoy what we want, contributing to the greater good of humanity to the best of our abilities without having to worry about the state/money restrictions/ridicule. Out of the 6+ billion people, someone somewhere has an interest in something. By achieving communism, my neighbor could develop a new steering wheel with no restrictions and then the design would go out to whoever needed it.

The connection between an act and a class keeps many people from seeing if they'd like to [golf, eat at fine diners, sail]. I love theater, and that's viewed as a snobbish "rich" thing.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Le Libérer
21st August 2007, 19:29
I'm not sure musicals and theater should be included in activities just for the rich. Being exposed to "finer" things in life can be achieved even by the poor, and I'm speaking mostly things artisitc or musical.

As a child I remember being able to go to the rehersal days of a play or opera even symphony shows. They were free. My next door neighbor and I would get dressed up in our best and would ride the bus downtown to see these shows. I guess I was 7 or 8 years old. I was exposed to finer things in life by looking on the outside.

When I turned 14 I went to work in the library. There my favorite books to read were biographies, and being the precocious child, the people I read about gave me the wild ideas how to live my own life. And the do it yourself project books just fueled the fire.

I never have been rich, tho well to do at some points in my life because I work pretty fucking hard at whatever it is I'm doing. But even with no money, I would find the best recipes and make it myself, or copy a designer dress and duplicate it myself. It taught me to be DIY without spending money. Doing it yourself also makes you appreciate what you have even more, because you worked for it.

I guess my point is, I'm poor as fuck, but I'm also cultured. Its all about how much you are willing to invest in yourself. And anyone can do that.



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Janus
26th August 2007, 22:31
Would this type of hobbies and activities be consider "rich people things" in a socialist society?
Most of the activities you listed are not generally regarded as luxurious activities particularly if one lives in close proximity to areas that offer such hobbies (rock climbing is offered at many recreation centers and those who live near the beach can usually scuba dive or sail at a cheap price). Being deprived of certain activities does make people less experienced/cultured and less likely to pursue such activities in the future but it usually isn't a major problem unless the deprivation is extreme.

Faux Real
26th August 2007, 22:37
Even space tourism might not be considered an "upper class" activity by then.