Sept. 29 in DC

[RedStaredRevolution]

On the 29th of September there is going to be a march from the Capital to the White House in protest of the war.


It's time to move from Protest to Resistance:

http://troopsoutnow.org/sept2207call.html

So who's all going?

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 11:35 pm
On the 29th of September there is going to be a march from the Capital to the White House in protest of the war.


It's time to move from Protest to Resistance:

http://troopsoutnow.org/sept2207call.html

So who's all going?
That's great, i'll be in DC from the 25th to the first of october. I'll be there.

[RedStaredRevolution]

Awesome. Does anyone know about a bloc being organized there? There probably will be i just dont know where.

[Red October]

I'll be there. All attending revlefters should meet up!

[OneBrickOneVoice]

yeah im going. And most likely to the one on the 15th too.

[Fawkes]

I'll try to go to both, but if I can only make one, it'll be this one.

[Fawkes]

Bump. Is anyone else planning on going. I'm going to be there from Thursday until Saturday.

[bezdomni]

Plan on going, contingent on if I can find a ride...since I can't afford the $65 bus ticket.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Where are you coming from?

[ComradeRed]

He's in the western regions of Massachusetts.

[bezdomni]

Yeah. Specifically, Amherst.

[hazer87]

where do i go for bus tickets? are there group buses leavin from specific cities or find your own way down? I was at the one on the 15th, there was a good presence of youth sociaist, the SDS had a good turn out. If the whole march was more militant it would def get alot of attention, the old peace people still out numbered us and dulled a lil, but we still had a good show.

[Fawkes]

Here. (http://troopsoutnow.org/sept2907orgcents.shtml)

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 11:40 pm
where do i go for bus tickets? are there group buses leavin from specific cities or find your own way down? I was at the one on the 15th, there was a good presence of youth sociaist, the SDS had a good turn out. If the whole march was more militant it would def get alot of attention, the old peace people still out numbered us and dulled a lil, but we still had a good show.
SDS did not have a good turnout. I don't know what you're talking about. We had a fraction of the people we had on March 17th and January. I gotta give props to A.N.S.W.E.R. though, the civil disobedience shit was a step forward for protests I think. I've earned alot more respect for ANSWER

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I'm not really sure why.. because a few people got themselves arrested? The thrust of the rally was still towards the Democratic Party.

This piece on the event contains some good info: Washington, DC: Organizers seek to subordinate September 15 antiwar protest to Democrats (http://wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/wash-s17.shtml)

[Red October]

Bump.

The rally starts at 12:00, though it will be forming up at 11:00 in front of the capitol. The march kicks off at 1:30. If any revleft comrades are meeting up, I think it would be most convenient to meet up in the forming up area before the rally starts.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 18, 2007 03:14 am
I'm not really sure why.. because a few people got themselves arrested? The thrust of the rally was still towards the Democratic Party.

This piece on the event contains some good info: Washington, DC: Organizers seek to subordinate September 15 antiwar protest to Democrats (http://wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/wash-s17.shtml)
That article is full of shit. A.N.S.W.E.R. was the first and the most militant anti-imperialist coalition to form, A.N.S.W.E.R. were basically the only ones to resist the Afghanistan War at the start and their protests always call for mass opposition independent of the democrats. A.N.S.W.E.R. were the ones who organized the 2004 counterinaugural protests months before, not caring who got elected weither democrat or republican while UFPJ helped Kerry campaign. And what's wrong with forcing through mass mobilization the ruling class to pull out of the middle east, that is a big victory for the international working class. There were like no democrat speakers, sure there were more moderate speakers, it is a coalition that actually organizes rather than stay independent of action and sit on the sidelines and criticise like the SEP, there were also quite a few militant speakers. ANSWER is the one coalition which takes a active, tactically solid, constant and agressive stand against imperialism and racism and for the people's needs that's why there is so much of an emphasis on how the war makes the working class suffer.

This protest was a step up, because for the first time, veterans were fighting back, along with workers and students and other people. This was the first instance of massive civil disobedience from coalition organizers than ever before. I've never seen anything like this from UFPJ, Shut the War Machine down will never have the say to even do something like this, and the WCW has taken a defeatist line in which they won't do something like that. ANSWER is the only group trying to step it up, and while this wasn't much, it was a turn forward for the movement

[bezdomni]

I am confirmed on the bus going to DC.

I will be getting in DC around 10 or 11am on Saturday.

Anybody wanting to meet up should PM me and we can exchange phone numbers.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

http://peppsl.convio.net/site/News2?page=N...ws_iv_ctrl=1261 (http://peppsl.convio.net/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7345&news_iv_ctrl=1261)

here's a good article on how Sept. 15th differed from past anti-war mobilizations

[Ultra-Violence]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+September 25, 2007 09:36 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ September 25, 2007 09:36 pm)
Compañ[email protected] 18, 2007 03:14 am
I'm not really sure why.. because a few people got themselves arrested? The thrust of the rally was still towards the Democratic Party.

This piece on the event contains some good info: Washington, DC: Organizers seek to subordinate September 15 antiwar protest to Democrats (http://wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/wash-s17.shtml)
That article is full of shit. A.N.S.W.E.R. was the first and the most militant anti-imperialist coalition to form, A.N.S.W.E.R. were basically the only ones to resist the Afghanistan War at the start and their protests always call for mass opposition independent of the democrats. A.N.S.W.E.R. were the ones who organized the 2004 counterinaugural protests months before, not caring who got elected weither democrat or republican while UFPJ helped Kerry campaign. And what's wrong with forcing through mass mobilization the ruling class to pull out of the middle east, that is a big victory for the international working class. There were like no democrat speakers, sure there were more moderate speakers, it is a coalition that actually organizes rather than stay independent of action and sit on the sidelines and criticise like the SEP, there were also quite a few militant speakers. ANSWER is the one coalition which takes a active, tactically solid, constant and agressive stand against imperialism and racism and for the people's needs that's why there is so much of an emphasis on how the war makes the working class suffer.

This protest was a step up, because for the first time, veterans were fighting back, along with workers and students and other people. This was the first instance of massive civil disobedience from coalition organizers than ever before. I've never seen anything like this from UFPJ, Shut the War Machine down will never have the say to even do something like this, and the WCW has taken a defeatist line in which they won't do something like that. ANSWER is the only group trying to step it up, and while this wasn't much, it was a turn forward for the movement [/b]
Left Henry I agree with you completly my man

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

So, LH, you didn't actually address any of the issues in the article I linked to. You just said it was "full of shit". Do you plan to actually respond to the issues raised?

You also made some false assertions, as you've been known to do (though now you're doing so on behalf of the PSL instead of the RCP). All communists opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. I don't know why'd you even attempt to say otherwise when it's so easy to do a web search and find statements and actions from groups of all sorts opposing the invasion of that country.

"Civil disobedience" in an of itself does not mean a whole lot. Besides, there has been 'civil disobedience' going on during the whole occupation. And claiming the ANSWER front is focused on the effects of these wars on working people isn't entirely true either. Their whole "coalition" lacks an organized labor presence. Protests are legal because isolate they don't do a whole lot. Real actions, by working people (such as the 2005 transit workers' strike in NYC) hurt the capitalists and threaten to push forward the class struggle, that's why they're smashed. If ANSWER focused its resources on organizing workers for industrial action against the imperialist wars, that would be one thing. But they don't. A single large political strike against the wars, or hot cargo-ing by truckers, longshoremen, railway workers, etc. of materials for the wars would have an infinitely larger impact than every action called by the three coalitions (all of whom aimed to 'pressure' the imperialists) combined.

But we're not going to get that from folks who say they're going to "unite all sectors of society" (which would include the capitalist class, since they're a "a sector of society") to overthrow capitalism.