Artic sea Ice set to hit new low

[Vargha Poralli]

Global warming scares me fucking a lot. Every time I read something new about it I feel some seconds of my life is getting lesser because of stress :( :( .

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6944401.stm)


In December 2006, a study by US researchers forecast that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2040.

A team of scientists from the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), the University of Washington, and McGill University, found that "positive feedbacks" were likely to accelerate the decline of the region's ice system.

Sea ice has a bright surface that reflects 80% of the sunlight that strikes it back into space. However, as the ice melts during the summer, more of the dark ocean surface becomes exposed.

Rather than reflecting sunlight, the ocean absorbs 90% of it, causing the waters to warm and increase the rate of melting.

Scientists fear that this feedback mechanism will have major consequences for wildlife in the region, not least polar bears, which traverse ice-floes in search of food.

On a global scale, the Earth would lose a major reflective surface and so absorb more solar energy, potentially accelerating climatic change across the world.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Global warming scares me fucking a lot.

What should really scare you is that these crack-pots have used "climate change" (formerly global warming) to scare the people into a massive hysteria over some serious junk science that has been refuted over and over again.

Anything to take your attention away from the real issue: Capitalism.

Don't be fooled bro, the sky is not falling.

[Vargha Poralli]

junk science that has been refuted over and over again.

Really ?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by g.ram
Really ?

Yesiree-bobsky.

I believe there are an assortment of other threads from last year discussing this issue. There are crap loads of information in them.

[hajduk]

yeah man sky will not fall...nature is always in movement always changing and we are to small to fuck her up...dont worry..this is like my comrades say just another fabricated hysteria for us

[Vargha Poralli]

yeah man sky will not fall

Oh really ? I didn't know that till some quater century of my life. What a waste am I !!!!

Sky is not falling comrades but sea level is rising. And it is not some bogus pseudo science but a documented fact.

Source. (http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/rising-seas.html)

And this is very much nearer to where I live. (http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/bangladeshreport.html)



I believe there are an assortment of other threads from last year discussing this issue.

Well last year is not this year and there has been more data made available.



Anything to take your attention away from the real issue: Capitalism.

Didn't notice this gem before. NEWSFLASH : Capitalism is one of the contributors for this shit.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Sky is not falling comrades but sea level is rising. :lol:

They have been quoting that crap for years.

Here's just a couple refutes:

As a scientist of no fixed political position, but deeply involved in climate science and sea-level changes, I agree with Diana Liverman that we must exercise caution with the Earth. Likewise, we must not confuse facts and fiction, nor justify wishes with falsification.

As president of an international commission on sea-level changes and coastal evolution, I launched a Maldives research project. Observational data obtained by our international team of experts shows conclusively that the sea level is not rising, unlike fictions propagated by many who are not specialists.

Nils-Axel Morner, Stockholm University

I like this (http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_20-29/2007-25/pdf/33-37_725.pdf) one better from Nils.

I'll hit you tit for tat esse, whadayasday?


Didn't notice this gem before. NEWSFLASH : Capitalism is one of the contributors for this shit.


Capitalism causes almost everything; we do live in a capitalist world you know.

One thing it does not cause however is "global warming" and rampant and predictable paranoia concerning armageddon.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

On one hand, the climate is definately changing. Only an idiot cannot see that. But on the other, you can still drive a Toyota Hilux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation) to the North Pole.

I think the issue has been greatly distorted by vested interests.

[kjt1981]

isnt the issue not that the sea level IS rising, but that with global warming the polar ice caps will melt and then the sea level WILL rise (combined with expanding sea mass dues to increased temperatures? Which would be bad for lots and lots and lots of countries?

Edit: Although, technically, the sea level is rising - 130 metres since the last ice age. Currently at around 2mm per year.

Also, its fairly obvious that capitalism is to blame for the major contributions to global warming (ie pollution etc), so its not really taking anyones attention off capitalism, rather putting more pressure on it.

[Vargha Poralli]

combined with expanding sea mass dues to increased temperatures? Which would be bad for lots and lots and lots of countries?

That was one of the problem of GW.

It also reduces the quality of crops even though the yields may rise due to extra CO2 in the Atmosphere.source (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1122_021125_CropYields.html)

And global warming will boost insects population. More Insects = More Diseases,More crop loss for starters. (http://www.livescience.com/animals/061104_gb_insects.html)

And also add up floods

Source1 (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/01/0130_020130_greatfloods.html)
Source 2 (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0501_020502_himalaya.html)



Also, its fairly obvious that capitalism is to blame for the major contributions to global warming (ie pollution etc), so its not really taking anyones attention off capitalism, rather putting more pressure on it.


Absolutely.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 05:26 am
On one hand, the climate is definately changing. Only an idiot cannot see that. But on the other, you can still drive a Toyota Hilux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation) to the North Pole.

I think the issue has been greatly distorted by vested interests.
The climate has been constantly changing for 4 and a half billion years.

We're all gonna die!!! :o

[hajduk]

Originally posted by Vinny Rafarino+August 15, 2007 04:18 pm--> (Vinny Rafarino @ August 15, 2007 04:18 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 05:26 am
On one hand, the climate is definately changing. Only an idiot cannot see that. But on the other, you can still drive a Toyota Hilux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation) to the North Pole.

I think the issue has been greatly distorted by vested interests.
The climate has been constantly changing for 4 and a half billion years.

We're all gonna die!!! :o [/b]
:D :D :D yeahh Winny hahahaha... look g.ram there is no apocalypse and you know why?

BECOUSE NOBODY ON THIS WORLD DOESNT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT NATURE and how nature works

IT IS SECONDS FROM DISASTER HAHAHAHAHAH

Nature will find the way like always does to regenerate himself and those wounds we do to the nature are so small and in all nature system dont play the main act....even if we make some changes to that point to make climatic disaster,WHICH WE NOT, nature will just bring another ice age to clean up the mess and once before how i remember we survive ice age right?
so...
the real danger is how is Sun behave...Sun make those changes not hymans
the real danger are meteors becouse if we going not to be so lucky then we dont have time and technology to avoid SECONDS FROM DISASTER
the real danger is Jupiter becouse he is large planet full of gases so if there be some changes we going to feal those changes on our skin

read book by CARL SAGAN "COSMOS"

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by Vinny Rafarino+August 15, 2007 06:18 pm--> (Vinny Rafarino @ August 15, 2007 06:18 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 05:26 am
On one hand, the climate is definately changing. Only an idiot cannot see that. But on the other, you can still drive a Toyota Hilux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation) to the North Pole.

I think the issue has been greatly distorted by vested interests.
The climate has been constantly changing for 4 and a half billion years.

We're all gonna die!!! :o [/b]
So?

Why making a remark like this when you know climat changes like this one are almost definite, caused by capitalism and it kills more and more people each year, etc. ?

[Vanguard1917]

There's no need to panic. What there is need for, however, is mass and large-scale economic development around the world. History shows us that the better developed we are, the better able we are to control our natural environment. Indeed, humanity today is less vulnerable to the destructive aspects of nature than ever before, precisely as a result of economic and technological development.

The problem with capitalism is that it can't provide needed development around the world.


Why making a remark like this when you know climat changes like this one are almost definite, caused by capitalism and it kills more and more people each year, etc. ?

According to empirical data, less and less people are dying from natural disasters than ever before. There are drastically fewer deaths today from natural catastrophes (epidemics, floods, tidal waves, droughts, famines, earthquakes, heatwaves, storms, etc.) than there have ever been. In the 1930s, for example, more than 45 people per 100,000 died as a result of floods, tidal waves and wind storms. In the 1990s, that figure dropped to below 2 people per 100,000. As a result of economic and technological development, we are better able to defend ourselves from nature's destructive side.

For instance, while the recent floods in the UK were tragic, they were not nearly as tragic as the floods of 1953, which killed over 300 people in south-east England. And if it wasn't for Britain's archaic flood defences, the floods this year may not have caused the destruction that they did.

The parts of the world which are most vulnerable to environmental problems tend to be those areas which are least developed and have the least access to modern technology. Countries whose economies are dependent on backward agricultural production are particularly vulnerable to increases and decreases in climate. In order to become less vulnerable to changes in climate, these countries need to industrialise.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 06:39 am


Why making a remark like this when you know climat changes like this one are almost definite, caused by capitalism
Climate change as it is being discussed here is not "caused by capitalism".

However the rampant and irrational hysteria is caused by capitalism


and it kills more and more people each year, etc. ?

Unless the world becomes inhabited only with boys in the bubble (probably before your time) the climate will continue to kill people.

Always has; always will.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by Vinny [email protected] 16, 2007 04:36 pm


Unless the world becomes inhabited only with boys in the bubble (probably before your time) the climate will continue to kill people.

Always has; always will.
YAP

[smoy]

well first of all global warming is real and yes the earth goes through natural cycles but the waste humans are making is speeding up that change, i hope it happens though and does destroy humanity, im not tryin to be evil or anything but humans need to know we are not gods and us destroying the world and knocking us back into a tribal system will do just that

[chimx]

Indeed, humanity today is less vulnerable to the destructive aspects of nature than ever before, precisely as a result of economic and technological development.

So you are saying, "I have no idea how it will stop, but I think it will anyway."

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 07:26 am
On one hand, the climate is definately changing. Only an idiot cannot see that. But on the other, you can still drive a Toyota Hilux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation) to the North Pole.

I think the issue has been greatly distorted by vested interests.
Why the link to the truck?? Working for toyota now...?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Pawn Power+August 17, 2007 09:23 pm--> (Pawn Power @ August 17, 2007 09:23 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 07:26 am
On one hand, the climate is definately changing. Only an idiot cannot see that. But on the other, you can still drive a Toyota Hilux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation) to the North Pole.

I think the issue has been greatly distorted by vested interests.
Why the link to the truck?? Working for toyota now...?[/b]
A motor vehicle is a large, heavy object that has a tendency of falling through thin ice.

But of course, because I mentioned a particularly noticeable (Perhaps the only) example I'm suddenly a shill for Toyota :rolleyes: get a grip.