WHATS COMMUNISM

[apesako]

HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU

[ComradeR]

communism is the post capitalist society in which classes and the state have been abolished, the means of production are democratically controlled by the workers, individual nations cease to exist and a system of direct democracy has been established. Socialism is the transition period between capitalism and communism, in Socialism the workers have seized the means of production and begin the move towards communism, but communism cannot be established (and long survive) in a predominantly capitalist world because elements of capitalism (in particular classes and the antagonisms that they spawn) still exist, thus the workers establish a workers state in order to defend the gains of the revolution from counter revolutionaries inside the country and from the capitalist nations until such a time as revolution has taken hold in the rest of the capitalist world.
I think that briefly sums it up (I'm not the best writer) the best thing to do in order to learn about communism is to read works like the manifesto, the state and revolution, or for an easy read is Engels's Principles of Communism which we have pinned here (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=26804), you can find pretty much all other works here (http://www.marxists.org). I hope I've been helpful, any other questions please feel free to ask them.

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
Dude stop writing in all caps.

Communism is classless society, basically. If you want a more deeper meaning of it I suggest reading State and revolution (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/index.htm).

[Bilan]

i don't know why no one has explained anything to you yet...
Here's a link to the Communist Manifesto (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm)

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by Tierra y [email protected] 14, 2007 03:00 am
i don't know why no one has explained anything to you yet...
Here's a link to the Communist Manifesto (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm)
I wouldn't call that a beginner's book! :lol: :P

There is a noobies guide here (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=26804) stickied on this forum btw.

[LSD]

Read the above, read the FAQs, browse this board, and just for good measure read this (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=48269) and this (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=57724). They'll give you a basic introduction into communist theories, practices, and controversies.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
I still findWikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) to be the best way to learn the basics of political ideologies, due to the simple grammer. Once one understands Communism in basics and has a sizeable vocabulary, they can read the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels and then you'll pretty much know all the fundamentals of Communism.

(By the way, 1)Please don't write in all Caps 2)the link takes you to the Wikipedia article on Communism)

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Don't tell him to read State and Revolution right away, he'll turn into a Leninist. Get him to read Marx first and see if he brances off into council communism, anarchism, or what.

[RedHal]

Originally posted by Grandma Sweater+August 14, 2007 07:03 pm--> (Grandma Sweater @ August 14, 2007 07:03 pm)
[email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
I still findWikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) to be the best way to learn the basics of political ideologies, due to the simple grammer. Once one understands Communism in basics and has a sizeable vocabulary, they can read the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels and then you'll pretty much know all the fundamentals of Communism.

(By the way, 1)Please don't write in all Caps 2)the link takes you to the Wikipedia article on Communism) [/b]
becarefull of recommending wiki when introducing someone to communism. Wiki is very anti communist.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Not to mention that wiki articles can change at a moment's notice. An article that is good today may be a complete mess next week. I've seen it happen.

[The-Spark]

Yeah, i heard there might even be intelligence agents on wikipedia, like CIA spy shit. it was on another thread. Go for marxists.org, much safer for information.

[Rawthentic]

Don't tell him to read State and Revolution right away, he'll turn into a Leninist. Get him to read Marx first and see if he brances off into council communism, anarchism, or what.
If you disagree with State and Revolution then you are not a Marxist, for that is a classical Marxist text.

Council communism does not exist, and anarchism is not Marxism.

[Taboo Tongue]

"Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat." -Frederick Engels.
That's a definition all communists should agree with, though many will want to add upon it. Bare bones, communism is that.

Edit:

The Principles of Communism (http://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm) is probably the easiest and shortest paper that all communist should agree with.
If you still want to know more, Marxism Without the Crap (http://rs2k.revleft.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082912812&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&) is another easy read, though not everyone will agree with it; it definitely allowed me to start understanding the Marxist break down of history [Historical Materialism] (which is very important to Marxism) better.

From there I would suggest both "The State and Revolution," and "What is Communism (http://rs2k.revleft.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082898978&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)." One is written by Lenin, the other by a contemporary old-member of this board.
Whatever you do don't forge to explore, try RedStar2000, try Lenin, try Mao, try Luxemburg, and most importantly try Marx and Engels.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Originally posted by Juan Sin [email protected] 14, 2007 07:10 pm
Don't tell him to read State and Revolution right away, he'll turn into a Leninist. Get him to read Marx first and see if he brances off into council communism, anarchism, or what.
Voz is right, there is nothing 'Leninist' in that text. If you even read it, you would understand that Lenin was targeting social chauvinists that perverted the revolutionary character of Marxism itself.

I would browse through these threads before you seriously approach Marxist theory.

[RedHal]

Originally posted by Edric [email protected] 16, 2007 02:59 am
Not to mention that wiki articles can change at a moment's notice. An article that is good today may be a complete mess next week. I've seen it happen.
Accuracy of wikkki articles are based on citations, the internet is flooded with anti communist bullshit, but these are constantly used as citations.
In Mao's entry, they site Jung Chang's books, even though it's been discredited by most hostorians.
Who has time to argue with these guys when they can find "sources" in a few seconds?

[Bilan]

Originally posted by Voz de la Gente [email protected] 16, 2007 01:27 pm

Don't tell him to read State and Revolution right away, he'll turn into a Leninist. Get him to read Marx first and see if he brances off into council communism, anarchism, or what.
If you disagree with State and Revolution then you are not a Marxist, for that is a classical Marxist text.

Council communism does not exist, and anarchism is not Marxism.
Irrelevant, it's better to start with Marx on this than Lenin.

And what about Libertarian Marxism??

[Karl Marx's Camel]

The State and the Revolution is a very good work. Easy to read. I say this and I am not a leninist.

[shoes]

basically a classless society with citizens dictating the economy and means of production. read more of"charlie" your understanding will be broaden.

[Ol' Dirty]

Communism is a society where the means of production (tools that make goods) are collectivized.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by RedHal+August 16, 2007 02:47 am--> (RedHal @ August 16, 2007 02:47 am)
Originally posted by Grandma [email protected] 14, 2007 07:03 pm

[email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
I still findWikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) to be the best way to learn the basics of political ideologies, due to the simple grammer. Once one understands Communism in basics and has a sizeable vocabulary, they can read the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels and then you'll pretty much know all the fundamentals of Communism.

(By the way, 1)Please don't write in all Caps 2)the link takes you to the Wikipedia article on Communism)
becarefull of recommending wiki when introducing someone to communism. Wiki is very anti communist. [/b]
I've found Wiki's information on Communism to be neutral, at best. Anything stupid was deleted that I saw. I do agree that Wiki has many Right Wing idiots, but the Communism article seems unaffected. Or, at least, defended well.

[RedHal]

Originally posted by Grandma Sweater+August 16, 2007 06:53 pm--> (Grandma Sweater @ August 16, 2007 06:53 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 02:47 am

Originally posted by Grandma [email protected] 14, 2007 07:03 pm

[email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
I still findWikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) to be the best way to learn the basics of political ideologies, due to the simple grammer. Once one understands Communism in basics and has a sizeable vocabulary, they can read the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels and then you'll pretty much know all the fundamentals of Communism.

(By the way, 1)Please don't write in all Caps 2)the link takes you to the Wikipedia article on Communism)
becarefull of recommending wiki when introducing someone to communism. Wiki is very anti communist.
I've found Wiki's information on Communism to be neutral, at best. Anything stupid was deleted that I saw. I do agree that Wiki has many Right Wing idiots, but the Communism article seems unaffected. Or, at least, defended well. [/b]
right wingers rarely attack the theory of Communism, one of their arguments is that it only works in theory. So when you get to historical applications (USSR, China, Albania etc...) that's where you encounter heavy bias and misinformation.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by RedHal+August 16, 2007 09:34 pm--> (RedHal @ August 16, 2007 09:34 pm)
Originally posted by Grandma [email protected] 16, 2007 06:53 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 02:47 am

Originally posted by Grandma [email protected] 14, 2007 07:03 pm

[email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
I still findWikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) to be the best way to learn the basics of political ideologies, due to the simple grammer. Once one understands Communism in basics and has a sizeable vocabulary, they can read the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels and then you'll pretty much know all the fundamentals of Communism.

(By the way, 1)Please don't write in all Caps 2)the link takes you to the Wikipedia article on Communism)
becarefull of recommending wiki when introducing someone to communism. Wiki is very anti communist.
I've found Wiki's information on Communism to be neutral, at best. Anything stupid was deleted that I saw. I do agree that Wiki has many Right Wing idiots, but the Communism article seems unaffected. Or, at least, defended well.
right wingers rarely attack the theory of Communism, one of their arguments is that it only works in theory. So when you get to historical applications (USSR, China, Albania etc...) that's where you encounter heavy bias and misinformation. [/b]
Though I said Wikipedia is the simplest free source for the basics of political ideologies and not historical bodies and individuals, I agree with you, after reading the articles about the Soviet Union and The Communist Party of China.

[cenv]

Council communism does not exist
If you say so!


I've found Wiki's information on Communism to be neutral, at best. Anything stupid was deleted that I saw. I do agree that Wiki has many Right Wing idiots, but the Communism article seems unaffected. Or, at least, defended well.
The Wikipedia article has some useful information, but it also includes some of the common misconceptions regarding communism. For instance, it talks about "Communist states" and effectively implies that communism is what happened in North Korea, Vietnam, etc.

[Rawthentic]

If you say so!
If you can prove there is a substantial council communist movement then I will shut my face.

[Janus]

Either members are ignoring the dictionary and the search engine or we need a intro. sticky.


HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM
Essentially a materialist doctrine with the ultimate goal of establishing a stateless and classless society.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 08:09 am
or we need a intro. sticky.


That's a pretty good idea. I only just yesterday figured out that the RevLeft dictionary existed.

Maybe the sticky could be much more detailed than the dictionary's description, and then offering the dictionary as further reference?

[apesako]

k guys thank you i will read them all (if i finish the che guevera book) but i have one more question that there is no right or wrong answer do u guys think u guys can install communist society in America personally i really think this is imposible and one reason i have is that this country was the first country that acceptedd capitalism. but i want to know ur opinions also thank you.

[RHIZOMES]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 06:25 am
HI GUYS IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND ONE OF THE REASON I JOINED IS IM READING ABOUT CHE'S LIFE (800 PG BOOK) AND I WAS INTRESTED ABOUT COMMUNISM AND HOW DOES IT WORK WHATS THE MAIN BELIEFS IN COMMUNISM ETC. THANK YOU
ALL CAPS - CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

[apesako]

k guys im convinced that we need a revolution and this 'yankee' imperialism is destroying the common people. Long live the revolution

[Janus]

do u guys think u guys can install communist society in America personally i really think this is imposible and one reason i have is that this country was the first country that acceptedd capitalism.
The US may have been born capitalist but it certainly doesn't mean that it will last forever.

socialist society in America (http://http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=65397&hl=America)
America must fall (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=53635&hl=America)
Is America ready for revolution? (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=48727&hl=America)