Freedom is about ceding to authority?

[thescarface1989]

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Giuliani: Freedom is about your willingness to cede to authority
Asset B24556 Posted By ljantill

Excerpt from a 1994 speech by Rudolph Giuliani on crime:

“Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”

Giuliani on his involvement at Ground Zero:

“I was at ground zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. I was there working with them. I was there guiding things. I was there bringing people there. But I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I’m one of them.”

[thescarface1989]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070810/ap_on_...ani_ground_zero (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070810/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani_ground_zero)

Giuliani: I misspoke about ground zero

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he misspoke when he said he spent as much time, if not more, at ground zero exposed to the same health risks as workers combing the site after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"I think I could have said it better," he told nationally syndicated radio host Mike Gallagher. "You know, what I was saying was, 'I'm there with you.'"

The former New York mayor upset some firefighters and police officers when he said Thursday in Cincinnati that he was at ground zero "as often, if not more, than most of the workers."

"I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them," he told reporters at a Los Angeles Dodgers-Cincinnati Reds baseball game.

Fire and police officials responded angrily, saying Giuliani did not do the same work as those involved in the rescue, recovery and cleanup from the 2001 terrorist attacks, which left many workers sick and injured.

On Friday, Giuliani said he was trying to show his concern for the workers' health.

"What I was trying to say yesterday is that I empathize with them, because I feel like I have that same risk," he said.

"There were people there less than me, people on my staff, who already have had serious health consequences, and they weren't there as often as I was," Giuliani said, "but I wasn't trying to suggest a competition of any kind, which is the way it come across."

Giuliani's explanation further angered his ground zero critics, prompting several to issue a statement demanding an apology.

"He is such a liar, because the only time he was down there was for photo ops with celebrities, with politicians, with diplomats," said deputy fire chief Jimmy Riches, who spent months digging for his firefighter son.

"On 9/11 all he did was run. He got that soot on him, and I don't think he's taken a shower since."

Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, a union that fiercely opposes Giuliani, said he doubted Giuliani misspoke.

"I think he was simply showing what his true character is — a self-absorbed, self-deluded promoter who got caught and is now just simply trying to backtrack," Schaitberger said.

A former deputy mayor, Joe Lhota, said the critics are politically motivated and wrong.

"They're taking their anger out in the wrong direction," Lhota said. "He was literally there four and five times a day; he did anything but run away.

"They're losing sight of the fact that this country, and this city, was attacked on that day by terrorists; it's their fault. Rudy Giuliani coordinated efforts in this city like no one had ever seen before."

Also Friday, Giuliani named another former deputy mayor, Rudy Washington, chairman of his campaign in New York City. Washington played a role in ground zero operations for weeks after Sept. 11 and received medical coverage for debilitating asthma and other health complications.

[Joby]

How incredibly ridiculous. Americans get scared that some 3rd world nation will take away their "freedoms," so they give them away to the government.

It's like they think the govt is a bank for civil liberties, and will be happy to hand them back when we want them to.

Giuliani is horrible, but I get the feeling Mitt Romney is probably more right-wing economicall and at least as authoritarian. And I'm a mormon saying this.

[Cheung Mo]

Slavery is freedom.

Freedom to these people is a Venezuela where social democratic playboys throw protestors into unmarked graves in the corner of some godforsaken barrio while the wealthy can watch uncensored soap operas and looney tunes cartoons while compeltely divorced from the reality of most of their compatriots.

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 11:26 pm
How incredibly ridiculous. Americans get scared that some 3rd world nation will take away their "freedoms," so they give them away to the government.

It's like they think the govt is a bank for civil liberties, and will be happy to hand them back when we want them to.

Giuliani is horrible, but I get the feeling Mitt Romney is probably more right-wing economicall and at least as authoritarian. And I'm a mormon saying this.
How can one be a Mormon and a socialist. Mormonism's reality is among our world's most tyrannical, leftism, by far our world's most democraatic.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Giuliani is possibly worse than Bush and I desperately hope he does not win the election in 2008. Scum.

[PigmerikanMao]

They're all imperialists, they all support the war, every one of them- may it be Guliani or Hilary Clinton.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the italics. =]

[capstop]

Slavery is freedom.

Freedom to these people is a Venezuela where social democratic playboys throw protestors into unmarked graves in the corner of some godforsaken barrio while the wealthy can watch uncensored soap operas and looney tunes cartoons while compeltely divorced from the reality of most of their compatriots.

Your not wrong!

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 09:04 pm
Edit: Oops, I forgot the italics. =][/i]
:lol: :D I wish you would some more, I've never seen anyone italicize everything.

(You have to use it like that, add emphasis. Whatever floats your boat, bud.)

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 09:04 pm
They're all imperialists, they all support the war, every one of them- may it be Guliani or Hilary Clinton.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the italics. =]
True. The "left" Liberals and the right-wing GOP are virtually twins, acting more like two wings of one imperialist party. The differences between the two are usually small tactical ones.

Whenever they talk of freedom, they are, of course, only speaking of the bourgeois notion of it. We will not be persuaded by such nonsense.