Communism... - WHY DO I STILL BELIEVE IN AN UTOPIA!?!

[El Barbudo]

Does anyone knows why i should still believe in Communism? Werent Lenin, Castro, Mao and all the bunch, a gang of totalitarian killers? Why should i believe in that big utopia and stay apart of the real world?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Because Capitalism will never bring equality to the people
Because Capitalism will never bring justice to the people
Because Communism will suppress the bourgeoisie
Because the bourgeoisie is an oppressive, authoritarian, aristocratic, exploitative, group of elitist opportunists
Because Communism is the only hope for the working class
Because Capitalists eat little children :biggrin: just kidding

[Fever]

Thats why im an anarchist. But honestly, I eat little children!

[Invader Zim]

Utopian and you talk about Mao and Lenin???

They were not utopians, they follow scentific socialism, not utopian socialism. Utopian socialism is a completely different ideology.

Communism and Utopian socialim are different ideologys. Admitedly communism is a derivative of the other but still.


(Edited by AK47 at 2:59 am on May 26, 2003)

[Urban Rubble]

Also, how do you consider Castro a totalistarian killer ? You put him down instead of Stalin ?

[Aleksander Nordby]

and what about Lenin=the good guy...

[chamo]

Quote: from AK47 on 2:16 am on May 26, 2003
Utopian and you talk about Mao and Lenin???

They were not utopians, they follow scentific socialism, not utopian socialism. Utopian socialism is a completely different ideology.

Communism and Utopian socialism are different ideologys. Admitedly communism is a derivative of the other but still.



That's kind of the point he was trying to make.

As I see it, there is nothing wrong with having a final goal of Utopian Socialism, but you should be aware that it is near impossible, will not be perfect and will have to be accomplished through some other means. Also, those leaders, "totalitarian killers", did more good in their than bad. The new countries and politcal equality formed were better conditions than what those countries had before. i.e: Cuba from Batista to Fidel, Russia from the Tsars (Nicholas II) to Lenin, China from the Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek to Mao.

Stalin wasn't mentioned but he did more worse than good taking over the Soviet Union.

[dopediana]

you still believe because there are other people with the same thoughts, hopes, and dreams as you, therefore, you aren't completely isolated from reality. some of us are isolated with you.

[Rebal16]

Maby there was a good reason for blood to be on the hands of some of these men (I dont agree with castro being a very bad killer) example: maby it was a good thing when lennon wiped out zar or was it? In a way yes but in a way no...

[Zombie]

Why is this in chit chat? Perhaps it should go to Theory?

Werent Lenin, Castro, Mao and all the bunch, a gang of totalitarian killers?

Are you saying that you became communist before knowing of Lenin, Mao or Castro? How can that be!
If you did know of them, why did you choose to become communist, when you were aware of their actions?

One last thing, what 'real world' are we talking about? Is it a world of magic fairies and happiness and flying pink elephants?

Or is it a world of hunger, despair, war, poverty, sickness, injustice?

.A.

[Pete]

Hey AK, I agree with you on this. Thomas Morris (was that his name?) wrote the book Utopia about 500 years ago, and that is one of the basis of Utopian socialism. Marx and Engels applied it to their contemporary situation inorder to create what is commonly refered to as socialism/communism/ect. Most people iether forget about the early experiments/theories or have no education in them. The Utopia is still in Marx's works, but it is behind some things that need to be done first, sort of a like a rainbow that breaks with the clouds of oppression.

The guy who wrote Shangrala (or soemthign like that) was also a Utopian. But do not mix up these Utopians with the mystics who first settled Montreal Island. Those people where...crazy...to say the least. They would wear horse hair undershirts in order to become pure (through pain). Insanity!

[Som]

Its because you're a fat man and the rich people have all the good snacks.

Keep reaching for that twinkie.

[Pete]

#Moderation Mode

Zombie is a smart man everyone.

Moved here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=13&topic=851)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Zombie on 8:48 pm on May 26, 2003
Why is this in chit chat? Perhaps it should go to Theory?

Werent Lenin, Castro, Mao and all the bunch, a gang of totalitarian killers?

Are you saying that you became communist before knowing of Lenin, Mao or Castro? How can that be!
If you did know of them, why did you choose to become communist, when you were aware of their actions?

One last thing, what 'real world' are we talking about? Is it a world of magic fairies and happiness and flying pink elephants?

Or is it a world of hunger, despair, war, poverty, sickness, injustice?

.A.


flying pink elephants?

no mate thats not a magical world of happy fairys thats a world of happy alcahol.

[Nick Yves]

Just a few comments:

Id be willing to say that anyone who has ever ruled a country has at some point or another made a decision or action that killed somebody.

Also, Why still believe in Communism, rather than except the way things are? Because it would be a better life.

[Blibblob]

no mate thats not a magical world of happy fairys thats a world of happy alcahol.
Alchohol? How's beer supposed to do that. Thinking of LSD?

I also want to know how you were communist and did not know of the atrocities of those totaltarian dictators that were supposed to be commies. Where the hell did you grow up? Did you leave a sheltered life with a couple of stupid brainwashed commies as parents?

Everybody else gave you the reasons why. Give us the why not.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

First of all, Lenin and Castro never killed innocent people...

Second, what you should remember, El Barbudo, is that the goal of Communism is simply a better world. Ask yourself this: Do you really like the capitalist world that we live in? The famine, the oppression, the violence that marks the lives of billions of people? Or do you want to change it for the better?