socialism/anarchism

[penta tonix politix]

ok, if human beings were less evil, hostile, and crazy, this idea i think would work:
anarchism/socialism.
now, i heard 2 definitions of anarchy: no government was one of them, the other was people being the government and working together.
now, this idea would work, but the problem is if someone disagreed, and one side won, there could be a huge fight over it, and people could be killed. Sure, if people could get along it would work. but people just can't.
But if they could, anarchism and socialism would be a great mixture, i think.

[Dirty Commie]

Several members (myself included) believe in a combination of anarchism and communism

[penta tonix politix]

just so ya know, communism and socialism aren't necessarily the same thing.

[Dirty Commie]

I though you wrote communism and anarchism, not communism and socialism.

And, yes, I know they are different.

Similar, yes, but different.


(Edited by Dirty Commie at 9:23 pm on May 17, 2003)

[ComradeJunichi]

If people could worship me, I think the world would be better.

Anyway, please explain how socialism and anarchism can work together? I don't see it.

[GCusack]

yea i'm a bit lost too! how does Anarchy work with socialism, socialism is a government anarchy is not

[truthaddict11]

here is an interview with Noam Chomsky (an anarchist)on marxism and anarchism

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/rbr/noamrbr2.html

[Som]

Anarchists are socialists.

There is no mixture, for there to be anarchy, there has to be socialism.

If people could worship me, I think the world would be better.

Anyway, please explain how socialism and anarchism can work together? I don't see it.

You're working with a overly specific definition of socialism as state ownership.

Socialism doesn't mean state ownership, it means public ownership.

Since property is authoritarian in nature, Anarchism must abolish private property.

Industry would be run by workers councils, coordination and distribution and the like would be run by trade unions, bottom-up community federations, consumer councils, so on.


Anarchism is inherently socialist. The closest things to an exception to this are the individualists who want a society of self-employed shopkeeper types. Though they generally accept anything else would be run collectively.

[Blackberry]

Quote: from Som on 2:41 am on May 18, 2003
Anarchists are socialists.

There is no mixture, for there to be anarchy, there has to be socialism.

If people could worship me, I think the world would be better.

Anyway, please explain how socialism and anarchism can work together? I don't see it.

You're working with a overly specific definition of socialism as state ownership.

Socialism doesn't mean state ownership, it means public ownership.

Since property is authoritarian in nature, Anarchism must abolish private property.

Industry would be run by workers councils, coordination and distribution and the like would be run by trade unions, bottom-up community federations, consumer councils, so on.


Anarchism is inherently socialist. The closest things to an exception to this are the individualists who want a society of self-employed shopkeeper types. Though they generally accept anything else would be run collectively.

And so starts it starts all over again, hey Som? :(

I suggest people read the Anarchist FAQ - http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html - before making any wild guesses on what anarchism is.

[MiNdGaMe]

If you don't know what socialism is, and the difference between anarcho-communism, and marxist-communism I think you should really question your ideology

(Edited by MiNdGaMe at 11:29 am on May 19, 2003)

[YKTMX]

Interesting, even a man as intelligent as Chomsky doesn't understand Leninism. I mean, has anyone ever read State and Revoltuion, pfff.

[kylie]

I thought Noam Chomsky was a woman.

[YKTMX]

Quote: from feoric on 2:31 pm on May 21, 2003
I thought Noam Chomsky was a woman.

LOL

[rAW DEaL bILL]

oh shit! this si cool. i didnt know my brother even posted here! (hes pena tonix polotics) fuck. he lives in my house and i dont know this shit. anyway i can correct him now. hes heard of a lotta different types of anarchy cuz he lives in my house. hes heard of ALL of it cuz i MADE him read the anarchy faq lol. im workin on him and his fatih of humanity too. in my opinion deep down everyones a good person and in anarchy people would be cool to eachother cuz they know if theyre not then the whole commune or collective or whatever is fucked.