To be or not to be...

[The New Left]

I will get a promotion to supervisor in my occupation.


1) does this make me a petty bourgeoise or something else.

2) does this compromise what I am aiming for? Socialism.

3) should I take the job?

[Aurora]

1) no
2) no
3) yes

:)

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Supervisors are hands-on with their work and actively contribute to the work place. Take it. :)

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Just don't abuse your authority. Teach, mentor, and help your fellow workers. Don't yell and don't ever take advantage of the fact that if you tell them to get something for you they'll jump.

[rouchambeau]

This would be a good opportunity to gain some power in the workplace. But keep in mind that if your co-workers hate you and your boss likes you, something is wrong.

[Tower of Bebel]

There is a difference between middle class and petty-bourgois. The first is a class, how much you earn; the last is a way of thinking and acting. Middle class people can also support a revolutionary program.

[The New Left]

Alright, sounds good then. I been talking to my boss on the phone and I took the job. I shall hold my values with me.

[The-Spark]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 08, 2007 03:31 am
Alright, sounds good then. I been talking to my boss on the phone and I took the job. I shall hold my values with me.
Thats good to hear, just dont act like a god or let the power get to your brain, but im sure ud b a good supervisor

[Rawthentic]

There is a difference between middle class and petty-bourgois. The first is a class, how much you earn; the last is a way of thinking and acting. Middle class people can also support a revolutionary program.
Thats false. The petty-bourgeoisie are the small capitalists, bureaucrats, functionaries, the "middle men", police, etc. They are the class that protects the capitalist system and sides with the proletariat insofar as it betters their social position as a class.

And they are also the backbone of fascism.

[which doctor]

There is a difference between middle class and petty-bourgois. The first is a class, how much you earn; the last is a way of thinking and acting. Middle class people can also support a revolutionary program.
:blink:

You have it the other way around, petty-bourgeoisie is very much a class. The middle class is in fact a categorization made by bourgeois sociologists to further divide the proletariat. It is dictated by a variety of factors depending on who you ask, usually income and behavior.


And they are also the backbone of fascism.
That's entirely dependent on the material conditions at the time.

[Rawthentic]

That's entirely dependent on the material conditions at the time.
I agree. But the point is that they seek out these movements to better their class' position.

[The-Spark]

Originally posted by Voz de la Gente [email protected] 08, 2007 03:33 pm

I agree. But the point is that they seek out these movements to better their class' position.
How can they seek out a better class position by joining a communist revolution? wouldnt they join the capitalists if they wanted a better class position?

[Fawkes]

Take the position but don't use your authority if at all possible. Literally tell your co-workers that you consider them to be equals and that you in no way intend to use your power against them.

[Janus]

How can they seek out a better class position by joining a communist revolution?
Not a communist movement but rather a fascist one.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 05:30 pm
Take the position but don't use your authority if at all possible. Literally tell your co-workers that you consider them to be equals and that you in no way intend to use your power against them.
The bourgeoisie tell us they are our equals too, even though they are not.

At my workplace we realize the distinction that comes with having a managerial or supervisory position. We don't trust them.

[Aurora]

Not a communist movement but rather a fascist one.
Fascists dont have revolutions.

[Ol' Dirty]

Not a communist movement but rather a fascist one.
Fascists dont have revolutions.

Beer Hall Putsch, Spainish Civil War, Pinochet's Chile.



There is a difference between middle class and petty-bourgois. The first is a class, how much you earn; the last is a way of thinking and acting. Middle class people can also support a revolutionary program.

Thats false. The petty-bourgeoisie are the small capitalists, bureaucrats, functionaries, the "middle men", police, etc. They are the class that protects the capitalist system and sides with the proletariat insofar as it betters their social position as a class.

Context?


And they are also the backbone of fascism.

Where the did you hear that?

[RedHal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 06:42 pm
There is a difference between middle class and petty-bourgois. The first is a class, how much you earn; the last is a way of thinking and acting. Middle class people can also support a revolutionary program.
Even in Marx' time petty bourgeoisie was a class, but petty bourgeoisie in the modern context can simply mean the middle class. As usual different streams of marxism will interpret it differently.
So:
1)yes you are petty bourgeoisie, either way you are no longer working class/proletarian
2)no, because you're a social democrat (NDP) which fits in well with your new class. You can still support a revolutionary party if you're petty bourgeoisie.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:07 pm

Not a communist movement but rather a fascist one.
Fascists dont have revolutions.
Revolution : a sudden, radical, or complete change b : a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation d : a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm <the Copernican revolution> e : a changeover in use or preference especially in technology <the computer revolution> <the foreign car revolution>

Fascists certainly do have revolutions.

[Janus]

Fascists dont have revolutions.
Depends on how specific one&#39;s definition of revolution but the ways in which Mussolini and Hitler gained power and the context around them are characteristic of the definitions mentioned above. But in order to avoid such a controversial description, I specifically used the term movement. Fascism certainly is a movement.