Camilio Cienfuegos.... murdered?

[the_skaan]

As a new member here interested in revolutionary history, I've done a search of the forum and nothing seems to come up regarding Commandante Cienfuegos.

Of course the "truth" is that Cienfuegos was that he was the victim of an accident in a Cessna airplane.

Other accounts maintain that Cienfuegos was executed by Fidel, or Cde. Che, for his refusal to participate in the trial and execution of Huber Matos. Or that he was shot by Fidel because he was too popular with the Cuban people. Or, finally, that his plane was shot down by Cuban fighter planes who mistook his airplane for one of the counterrevolutionary hit and run aircraft plagueing Cuba at the time.

It is axiomatic that all governments lie to protect their image. True in this case - or not?

[RedLion]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was executed. Cuba's government is capable of anything, they are in my opinion the unnaceptable face of socialism.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Doubt it. It is not uncommon for political leaders to die in plane crashes.


Senator Paul D. Wellstone (I wouldn't rule out this was a conspiracy to get him murdered), Mel Carnahan, three weeks before the election, Jerry Litton whose plan crashed the same night he had won, Hale Boggs one of the seven in the Warren Comission, Ronald Harmon Brown, General Omar Torrijos, Yuri Gagarin.

It seems extremely unlikely Che would of execute Camilo.


While we are at it, however, Fidel, back in the days, said he would be willing to execute Che, or even Raúl, his brother, if it would ever come to that in order to protect the revolution. (He was trying to illustrate that the revolution was not based on personal favoritism, that it went beyond that trio of Fidel Raúl and Che)

[Wanted Man]

I have yet to see any proponents of this "theory" who do not purely base themselves on unfounded rumours. Cienfuegos supported the revolution, and he is still honoured every 28 October to this day.

http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/camilo.htm

[Karl Marx's Camel]

, and he is still honoured every 28 October to this day.


In the conspiracy theorists defence, let us just say the Cuban govt had killed him. It would be stupid of them to condemn or not celebrate his life if they really had assassinated him. It would fuel speculation.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

This is an old bullshit story from the enemies of the Cuban Revolution. It's been refuted here before, do a search.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 04:07 pm
In the conspiracy theorists defence, let us just say the Cuban govt had killed him. It would be stupid of them to condemn or not celebrate his life if they really had assassinated him. It would fuel speculation.
Well, what you're saying here is pretty much the final defence of conspiracy theorists:

Of course all reputable analysts say that Bush didn't do 9/11 - that's what they want you to think! They're in on it!

And of course Che is honoured in Cuba today, that's just to cover up that Fidel had him killed!

Oh, and that every damn thing in the USSR was named after Kirov is just more proof that Stalin had him killed!

You see where this is leading? One could go on and on with assertions like this. It's easy because it's unfalsifiable: it cannot be disproved, because it simply takes speculation and rumours, and presents it as fact.

[partizan604]

he was the victim

He was the victim of all that comes with revolution - he was the victim of himself
He became the legend - legends don't die as simple as others.
Of course we'll never know the truth - but i doubt that Che or even Fidel knew it. just because even if we know something we don't know everything



This is an old bullshit story from the enemies of the Cuban Revolution. It's been refuted here before, do a search.

People need to remember - even such dirty stories like this one.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

People need to remember what, bullshit cooked up by the imperialists and/or gusanos?

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Camilo Cienfuegos was lost at sea during an airplane flight from Camaguey to Havana on October 28, 1959. The author would like to claim for this work the approval of Camilo Cienfuegos, who was to have read and corrected it when another destiny intervened. These lines and those which follow may be considered the homage of the Rebel Army to its grand captain, to the greatest guerrilla chief that this revolution produced, to a perfect revolutionary and a fraternal friend. Camilo was the companion of a hundred battles, the intimate counselor of Fidel in difficult moments of the war, the stoic fighter who always made of sacrifice an instrument for steeling his own character and forging the morale of his troops. I believe he would have approved of this manual wherein our guerrilla experiences are synthesized, because it is the product of life itself. But he added to the skeleton of words here presented the inner vitality of his temperament, his intelligence and his audacity, all these in such an exact measure as rarely appears in persons of history.

But Camilo should not be seen as an isolated hero performing marvelous feats only on the impulse of his individual genius, but rather as a true part of the people that formed him, as it always forms its heroes, martyrs, and leaders, by selection in a rigorous struggle.

I do not know if Camilo had heard of Danton's maxim for revolutions moments, "Audacity, audacity, and more audacity." At any rate, he practiced it in his action and added to it other qualities necessary in a guerrilla fighter: a faculty for precise and rapid analysis of situations and forehanded thought about problems to be resolved in the future.

These lines which serve as the homage of the author and of a whole people to our hero, will not attempt to provide his biography or even to relate any anecdotes about him. Camilo was the subject of a thousand anecdotes; he created them naturally wherever he went. To his ease of manner, always appreciated by the people, he added a personality that naturally and almost unconsciously put the stamp of Camilo on everything connected with him. Few men have succeeded in leaving on every action such a distinctive personal mark. As Fidel has said, he did not have culture from books; he had the natural intelligence of the people who had chosen him out of thousands for a privileged position on account of the audacity of his blows, his tenacity, intelligence, and unequaled devotion. Camilo practiced loyalty like a religion; he was its votary, both in his personal loyalty to Fidel, who embodied as no one else the will of the people, and in his loyalty to the people themselves. The people and Fidel march united; and thus joined were the devotions of the invincible guerrilla fighter.

Who killed him?

We should rather ask: Who destroyed his body? Because men like him continue to live with the people. Their life does not end so long as the people do not will it.

The enemy succeeded in killing him, because there are no safe airplanes; because pilots cannot acquire all the experience necessary; because, overburdened with work, Camilo wished to be in Havana quickly. His own character killed him, too. Camilo did not measure danger; he used it for a diversion, mocked it, lured, toyed, and played with it. In his mentality as guerrilla fighter a plan was not to be postponed on account of a cloud.

It happened after a whole people had come to know him, admire him, and love him. It could have happened earlier, and his history would be the simple one of a guerrilla captain. "There will be many Camilos," said Fidel; and I can add, there was Camilos, Camilos who finished their lives before completing the magnificent circle that carried Camilo into history. Camilo and the other Camilos (those who did not arrive and those who will come) are the index of the forces of the people. They are the highest expression which a nation produces in a time of war for the defense of its purest ideals, fought with faith in the achievement of its noblest ends.

Let us not try to classify him, to capture him in a mold, that is, kill him. Let us leave him thus, in general lines, without attributing to him a precise social and economic ideology which he never completely defined. Let us emphasize that there was not a soldier to be compared to Camilo in this war of liberation. A thorough revolutionary, a man of the people, a product of this revolution that the Cuban nation made for itself, through his head never passed the lightest shadow of weariness or discouragement. Camilo, the guerrilla warior, who made this or that thing "something of Camilo," who put his precise and indelible mark on the Cuban Revolution, is a permanent and daily inspiration. He belongs to those others who did not arrive and to those who are to come.

In his continual and immortal renewal, Camilo is the monument of the people.

Che Guevara, "Guerrilla Warfare" (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?149)

[partizan604]

We should rather ask: Who destroyed his body? Because men like him continue to live with the people. Their life does not end so long as the people do not will it.

People should remember everything. they should know everything.
because the only way to destroy a lie is to know the truth.
we don't know the truth about Camilo. Why? Who? - we can't answer this questions.
but - is this a lie:
Camilo Cienfuegos was lost at sea during an airplane flight from Camaguey to Havana on October 28, 1959.?

is this a bullshit?
no!
this is what we should remember.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Sorry comrade, your posts weren't entirely clear to me. It seemed that you may have been pushing the lie about the revolutionary government having Camilo killed. Now it appears that you don't(?).

[partizan604]

No i don't.
i was just trying to say that we know the truth and we shouldn't believe to anything else.
Camilo is dead. Fukin' capitalists killed him.

[TC]

Yep, Camilo was murdered by Castro, just like Che, Trotsky, JFK, RFK, and Allende ;p

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Camilo is dead. Fukin' capitalists killed him.

Proof?

[Andy Bowden]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 07:07 pm
Yep, Camilo was murdered by Castro, just like Che, Trotsky, JFK, RFK, and Allende ;p

You forgot Ochoa :P :D

[partizan604]

QUOTE
Camilo is dead. Fukin' capitalists killed him.


Proof?

Che:

The enemy succeeded in killing him

[Karl Marx's Camel]

How did the enemy kill him?

[the_skaan]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 08, 2007 03:10 pm
This is an old bullshit story from the enemies of the Cuban Revolution. It's been refuted here before, do a search.
I did. Nothing came up (using the search tool with the little magnifying glass). Thanks for the Che cite, that is very useful.

It's interesting that the route from Camaguey to Havana is completely overland. How did he come to be lost at sea?

[kingbee]

Wasn't it a plane crash?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

It's interesting that the route from Camaguey to Havana is completely overland. How did he come to be lost at sea?

The earth is round. Flights often go over water when it appears (on a flat map) that over land would be the best route.

They never actually found his plane, so it's assumed that it crashed at sea.