SOUTH AFRICA

[hajduk]

White people who are born in South Africa says that this state bellong to them?!And also they say they are proud to be white south african?! I know about diamonds and holocaust in this state so what is going on?

[BreadBros]

Well today the White minority has been pushed out of political power by the ANC, a Black-led party that in the past has been tied to the Left (although it has increasingly moderated it's views once in power). I suppose Whites still hold quite a bit of economic power though and the wealth disparity is pretty big. Other than that, I'm not sure what else is going on, hopefully someone with more knowledge will post...

[bolshevik butcher]

The ruling class in South Africa is still predomenantly white. Aparteid is still effectively in place in South Africa. Although now it has a black face. The ruling class in South Africa realised that it could defeat the movement against aparteid and utlimatley capitalist oppression not with plastic bullets and riot police but by accomidating a thin layer of the leadership of the movement of the black workers into the ruling class.

[0NighT0]

I can quite unashamedly say that I am proud to be a "white South African". Although, as you say the ANC used to be a left leaning political party fighting for the freedom of it's people, the sad truth is that today the government is more capitalistic than it ever was under the apartheid government. The roles have just been reversed. It has become near impossible for a white male to get a job in this country, resulting in a large boom of privately owned "small businesses". Poverty is a terrible issue still, and crime has as a result become a sort of national epidemic. I am totally against what the apartheid government stood for and was too young at the time to have understood what was happening. There is a LOT of corruption happening high up in the government by these so called "leftists". An old saying comes to mind, "Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely". I am in theory a marxist, but not an active member of any political party. My biggest gripe is that positions of authority are going not to those who are more capable, but to those who are easily controlled, no matter their level of incompitence. A prime example would be that our Health minister, in a televised press conference told the nation that in order to fight aids, all they had to do was take a shower after unprotected sex! These are the people now running this country. And as for the SACP (South African Communist Party), they are so deep in the ANC's pocket it is laughable. The Government, before coming into power promised the people a better quality of life. This hasnt happened, for black people or white (and I promise you it wasn't only the black people fighting for equal rights during apartheid). Like I said, poverty and crime is at an all time high. Everyone has benefited from the abolishment of apartheid, but none so much as those now holding seats in government, who use tax payers money for their own avarice. Don't get me wrong, I do love my country. It is full of a thousand different types of people and most of them are great, but this country has a long way to go and we all need to stop pointing fingers and pull together. Lets all hope that the FIFA World Cup in 2010 will do a lot to bring us all together! Apartheid is dead, lets move the fuck on and let racism die with the older generations! And someone please give me a job god damn it!

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 12:48 pm
I can quite unashamedly say that I am proud to be a "white South African". Although, as you say the ANC used to be a left leaning political party fighting for the freedom of it's people, the sad truth is that today the government is more capitalistic than it ever was under the apartheid government. The roles have just been reversed. It has become near impossible for a white male to get a job in this country, resulting in a large boom of privately owned "small businesses". Poverty is a terrible issue still, and crime has as a result become a sort of national epidemic. I am totally against what the apartheid government stood for and was too young at the time to have understood what was happening. There is a LOT of corruption happening high up in the government by these so called "leftists". An old saying comes to mind, "Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely". I am in theory a marxist, but not an active member of any political party. My biggest gripe is that positions of authority are going not to those who are more capable, but to those who are easily controlled, no matter their level of incompitence. A prime example would be that our Health minister, in a televised press conference told the nation that in order to fight aids, all they had to do was take a shower after unprotected sex! These are the people now running this country. And as for the SACP (South African Communist Party), they are so deep in the ANC's pocket it is laughable. The Government, before coming into power promised the people a better quality of life. This hasnt happened, for black people or white (and I promise you it wasn't only the black people fighting for equal rights during apartheid). Like I said, poverty and crime is at an all time high. Everyone has benefited from the abolishment of apartheid, but none so much as those now holding seats in government, who use tax payers money for their own avarice. Don't get me wrong, I do love my country. It is full of a thousand different types of people and most of them are great, but this country has a long way to go and we all need to stop pointing fingers and pull together. Lets all hope that the FIFA World Cup in 2010 will do a lot to bring us all together! Apartheid is dead, lets move the fuck on and let racism die with the older generations! And someone please give me a job god damn it!
THANK YOU MAN THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW but tell me if there any possibilty for you to make some kind organisation which will make projects for employing people no matter what colour they are?

[0NighT0]

After the 1994 elections and the new ANC government taking power, we officially saw 10 years of affirmative action, which was supposed to end in 2004, but is sadly still in place. The other problem (i use that term loosely) is BEE (Black Economic Empowerment). I have no problem with this system other than that it is giving high power and high influence positions to people who are by NO means qualified. This system extends right down to small business, with many government orginisations refusing to do business with them unless they are "BEE certified". This means that in any given company a black to white ratio must be met, with the black employee preferably holding a higher position in the company. This is bad news because most of these people are under qualified. I am by no means a fan of big business, but this whole system is making it extremely hard for qualified white people to get a job over a much less qualified black person. In fact, in business here, if you are a black female you have top priority, then black males, white females and white males last. Even if the white male is highly qualified and experienced, he will lose the opportunity to one of the first 3 "classes" before he is even interviewed. Fact of the matter is, there is no hiring by qualification alone, if your ratios arent right, then you will not succeed. Education is key in this situation, and adequate training. I dont mind losing a job to a black person IF they are more qualified to do the job. And if not, then they should be trained for the job and eventually given the job. This has lead to a HUGE surge of white professionals out of the country to abroad. Unfortunately equal opportunity does not yet exist in SA. I am not racist by any sense of the word and do not see the sense in replacing one oppressive system with another. The word "solidarity" is used a lot in politics over here, but i am afraid we are at least a generation away from true solidarity. The old wounds just run too deep and will need to heal when the older generations have gone.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 01:54 pm
After the 1994 elections and the new ANC government taking power, we officially saw 10 years of affirmative action, which was supposed to end in 2004, but is sadly still in place. The other problem (i use that term loosely) is BEE (Black Economic Empowerment). I have no problem with this system other than that it is giving high power and high influence positions to people who are by NO means qualified. This system extends right down to small business, with many government orginisations refusing to do business with them unless they are "BEE certified". This means that in any given company a black to white ratio must be met, with the black employee preferably holding a higher position in the company. This is bad news because most of these people are under qualified. I am by no means a fan of big business, but this whole system is making it extremely hard for qualified white people to get a job over a much less qualified black person. In fact, in business here, if you are a black female you have top priority, then black males, white females and white males last. Even if the white male is highly qualified and experienced, he will lose the opportunity to one of the first 3 "classes" before he is even interviewed. Fact of the matter is, there is no hiring by qualification alone, if your ratios arent right, then you will not succeed. Education is key in this situation, and adequate training. I dont mind losing a job to a black person IF they are more qualified to do the job. And if not, then they should be trained for the job and eventually given the job. This has lead to a HUGE surge of white professionals out of the country to abroad. Unfortunately equal opportunity does not yet exist in SA. I am not racist by any sense of the word and do not see the sense in replacing one oppressive system with another. The word "solidarity" is used a lot in politics over here, but i am afraid we are at least a generation away from true solidarity. The old wounds just run too deep and will need to heal when the older generations have gone.
But what about the diamond mines,which firm posses those mines and who is in charge?

[0NighT0]

Most diamond mines here are owned by DeBeers. They were (allegedly) involved in buying and selling conflict diamonds from countries in west africa such as Sierra Leone. To my knowledge there were no large scale genocides in this country involving diamonds, but that may just be my ignorance. If you can be more specific about what you want to know, maybe i can help.

[0NighT0]

check this link out for a first hand account of what it was like after the discovery of diamonds in south africa. Some derogitory terms are used to describe certain races, so read at your discretion.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1870tro...outhafrica.html (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1870trollope-southafrica.html)

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 02:19 pm
check this link out for a first hand account of what it was like after the discovery of diamonds in south africa. Some derogitory terms are used to describe certain races, so read at your discretion.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1870tro...outhafrica.html (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1870trollope-southafrica.html)
OK.... i whant to know is some big corporations involve in seeling diamonds from those mines and who is the main director?