RUSSIAN ARCTIC

[hajduk]

Russia got permition from Bush & CO that in exchange for Ukrain they can get Arctic bottom which is full of oil,gold and diamonds.What do you think about this?

[RedAnarchist]

Do you have any sources for this? Also, how can Russia swap the Ukraine for the Arctic, when it doesn't have control over Ukraine anymore?

Also, it is only rumoured that there is oil and gas under the Arctic. It would be impossible for gold and diamonds to be found there as these are not mined underwater.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 03:18 pm
Do you have any sources for this? Also, how can Russia swap the Ukraine for the Arctic, when it doesn't have control over Ukraine anymore?

Also, it is only rumoured that there is oil and gas under the Arctic. It would be impossible for gold and diamonds to be found there as these are not mined underwater.
Its all about busines and nothing else.Ukraine is maybe independent in political way but in busines way,i dont think so.Whatever time will show who is right. ;)

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by RedAnarchist
Do you have any sources for this?

Here !! (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2831111.ece)

I don't know about hajduk's claim about Ukraine thing but Russia has been facing stiff resistance from Norway and Canada who also claim to Artic's resources.


Also, it is only rumoured that there is oil and gas under the Arctic.

What else an Imperialist would need ?

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by g.ram+August 04, 2007 05:26 pm--> (g.ram @ August 04, 2007 05:26 pm)
RedAnarchist
Do you have any sources for this?

Here !! (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2831111.ece)
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I already know about Russias claiming of territory in the Arctic.

[Cheung Mo]

I'm Canadian, but the untapped underground wealth in the arctic does not belong to my country or to a foreign super power...It belongs to the land and must be used sustainably to preserve the interests of the land and of the people. Neither Putin nor Harper nor anyone else has any right to claim its riches as their own.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 04, 2007 07:14 pm
I'm Canadian, but the untapped underground wealth in the arctic does not belong to my country or to a foreign super power...It belongs to the land and must be used sustainably to preserve the interests of the land and of the people. Neither Putin nor Harper nor anyone else has any right to claim its riches as their own.
Mo that is correct but Imprialists doesnt ask nobody for permition so... <_<

[EwokUtopia]

Im Canadian as well, we shouldnt touch the north. Every bit of oil we drill in the territories harms the indiginous communities and should not be allowed to continue.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 07:32 pm
Im Canadian as well, we shouldnt touch the north. Every bit of oil we drill in the territories harms the indiginous communities and should not be allowed to continue.
yeah EWOK ... Bush &CO. will take enything what they need no matter are Canadian people have right or no... Bush &CO. dont ask for permition nobody except from own kind

[Die Neue Zeit]

There&#39;s more to Russia&#39;s rather "newfound" resource wealth than meets the eye:

Stalin&#39;s Arctic mines help expansion (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070812/ap_on_bi_ge/russia_s_metal_giants)


Wearing fireproof coveralls, Ilya Dmitriyev plods past a smelter that belches smoke and gushes molten metal, the chief product of this gritty patch of Arctic tundra where the air tastes of sulfur and concrete apartment blocks crumble on the shifting permafrost.

This is the home of Norilsk Nickel, a former slave labor camp — once part of the dictator Josef Stalin&#39;s infamous Gulag — that is now the gray capital of Russia&#39;s glittering new metals empire.

Since President Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000, oil and natural gas have fueled Russia&#39;s economic rebirth, creating a generation of young Russian billionaires. Now metal is Russia&#39;s latest natural resource bonanza.

The rise of the industry has delighted investors but has caused disquiet among foreign security analysts. Some fear Moscow might use its vast mineral wealth as a tool for coercive diplomacy, the way many believe the Kremlin has used oil and gas supplies to punish western-leaning former Soviet nations.

As the output of Chinese and Indian factories surged last year, the price of nickel leapt 64 percent to an average of &#036;24,155 per ton on the London Metal Exchange, more than doubling Norilsk Nickel&#39;s profits. While the price has retreated from a high of over &#036;50,000 per ton in May, it currently trades at around &#036;29,000 a ton.

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But the big winners at Norilsk are the company&#39;s two 40-something shareholders, the cautious Vladimir Potanin and the flamboyant bachelor Mikhail Prokhorov.

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Through Norilsk, these two men control half of the world&#39;s output of palladium, which is used in catalytic convertors, and one fifth of its nickel — a key ingredient in stainless steel.

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Created to strengthen Stalin&#39;s USSR, Norilsk Nickel — like so many Soviet mammoths — was sold for a song by President Boris Yeltsin to politically connected bankers in the 1990s.

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More than 12 percent of global aluminum output comes from the privately owned UC Russian Aluminum, the world&#39;s biggest producers of the vital metal. Russia&#39;s state-owned mines and stockpiles account for 20 percent of the world&#39;s uranium, more than any single country. A mining company controlled by the state arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, is the world&#39;s biggest producer of titanium.

Without titanium from Russia&#39;s VSMPO-Avisma, Boeing Co.&#39;s 787 Dreamliner and Airbus&#39;s A350 XWB couldn&#39;t fly, analysts say. The metal is also critical to Lockheed Martin Corp.&#39;s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, an advanced fighter bomber being jointly developed by Britain and the U.S.

In the West, there is quiet concern Russia will use its clout in the metals market to help consolidate its geopolitical power.

[Tower of Bebel]

Putin is such a prick.

The arctic is lost. We can only hope for a social revolution. Or do we really think that Putin would leave the area when he knows there are resources to be extracted?

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 08:28 am
Putin is such a prick.

The arctic is lost. We can only hope for a social revolution. Or do we really think that Putin would leave the area when he knows there are resources to be extracted?
no he will not leave that area...but on topic CANADIAN ARCTIC you can read what happen next