Russians Don't Trust The State At All

[Rainie]

Richard Pipes, a professor from Harvard, and also very reactionary has been taking poll after poll about what Russians believe and think.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501faco...k-and-want.html (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302-p10/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html)

[Organic Revolution]

Well what do you expect? After years of state capitalist control (USSR) and now post-USSR free market capitalism, was it a surprise that they don't trust the state? Shit, look at what has happened through years of Russian life, basically control of all life, economically and socially.

[DisEnter]

Polls are always flawed and not to be trusted, especially by those with an agenda. The way to find out what people think is to allow them to say it without the framework of someone elses questions.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 07:21 pm
Polls are always flawed and not to be trusted, especially by those with an agenda. The way to find out what people think is to allow them to say it without the framework of someone elses questions.
Not always.
It depends on the questions, and how many people are polled, etc.
They're not to be trusted without considering all factors, and they are not totally flawless.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 09:21 am
Polls are always flawed and not to be trusted, especially by those with an agenda. The way to find out what people think is to allow them to say it without the framework of someone elses questions.
The person taking the poll is a western journalist.
Considering this he would thus have preferred an outcome that would say: we want more free markets, etc... etc...
Jet, the polls show otherwise.

edit:

Well what do you expect? After years of state capitalist control (USSR) and now post-USSR free market capitalism, was it a surprise that they don't trust the state? Shit, look at what has happened through years of Russian life, basically control of all life, economically and socially.

Read articles before commenting.

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 12:35 am
Richard Pipes, a professor from Harvard, and also very reactionary has been taking poll after poll about what Russians believe and think.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501faco...k-and-want.html (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302-p10/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html)
I don't blame them...Putin is a tyrant, the "Communist" Party consists of nationalists, Stalinists, and anti-semites who spread Reussian Chauvinism and went as far as to side with Benedict's Boy Bonker Brigade and opposed human rights protections for homosexuals (the party's propaganda makes no mention of Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky, instead glorifying Stalin), and the other alternatives are neo-Nazis and capitalists.

[Rainie]

Russia should therefore be the most revolutionary country on earth!!!!!

They should be the most class-conscious nation ever!!!! Same goes for the former Eastern block.

[Tatarin]

Is this so strange? What will freedom do when you are poor and live out on the streets? Or where everything can be boughts, without any restrictions?

Of course Russians prefer stability over the right to say something (and something that usually doesn't mean anything, since media is already controlled by one factor or another).

[partizan604]

I'm Russian. Born here. Live here.
In Russia we don't think too much about the governement, exept for blaiming it.
That professor was quite right saing that in Russia we don't trust. we simple don't have anyone to trust! Who? Putin? Europe? We can't trust even ourselves. We are afraid - Of #3World War, Of Capitalists, of Fashists, Of Democracy, of #2 Cold War.

People of Russia are not revolutionary ready - because they are tired of war and afraid of revolution.
They simply can't see blood anymore.
We can't think about friendship with other countries there are enemies everywhere!!!
You can call this 'stability', but we prefer 'fear'and 'anger'.

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by No. 2+August 02, 2007 12:59 pm--> (No. 2 @ August 02, 2007 12:59 pm)
[email protected] 02, 2007 09:21 am
Polls are always flawed and not to be trusted, especially by those with an agenda. The way to find out what people think is to allow them to say it without the framework of someone elses questions.
The person taking the poll is a western journalist.
Considering this he would thus have preferred an outcome that would say: we want more free markets, etc... etc...
Jet, the polls show otherwise.

edit:

Well what do you expect? After years of state capitalist control (USSR) and now post-USSR free market capitalism, was it a surprise that they don't trust the state? Shit, look at what has happened through years of Russian life, basically control of all life, economically and socially.

Read articles before commenting. [/b]
Is it wrong that the Russians do not trust the state?

[partizan604]

Ha Ha!!! I understood! Those capitalists will try to use this situation - if Russians don't trust their own state, they will search for something new - don't trust Russian state - trust US.
This will never happen. IF we don't trust somebody - we don't stop dealing with him - we try to change him. That's how revolutions in Russia were done.

[BreadBros]

Instability of government does not equate to class revolution. It might equate to a government coup or replacement, which can go any number of ways politically.

From everything I've personally seen, I've seen no indication that Russia is moving towards a class revolution. Rather, it's moving towards nationalism, chauvinism and possibly even an attempt to re-assert imperial motives over it's former satellite states.

Even then things are confused. While the majority of Russians may disprove of the actions of the state, it also seems as if they see Putin (who is nothing but a continuation of the leaders before him) as a remedy to those very problems as he is very popular. Things are too muddied right now to see where things are heading, it could be stay-the-course or a move towards a more hostile brand of chauvinism, either way I don't think things look too good.

[Leo]

They should be the most class-conscious nation ever!!!!

Nations can't be class-conscious.

[Dimentio]

Well, if the entire population is just one class :D

[Joby]

Democracy is widely viewed as a fraud. There is a prevalent perception that Russia's politics have been "privatized" and are controlled by powerful clans. Seventy-eight percent of respondents in a 2003 survey said that democracy is a facade for a government controlled by rich and powerful cliques

Well, I can't really argue with them.

[Tower of Bebel]

Research suggests that the Russians are not proud of the revolution, yet what they are proud of is that they beated the Nazis (not the war, but the fact that they beated the fascists).