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pusher robot
30th July 2007, 15:47
What is the justification for limiting this list to acts of the United States?

Surely you can't be suggesting that the United States was the world's only imperial power ever.

Dean
30th July 2007, 16:20
Originally posted by pusher [email protected] 30, 2007 02:47 pm
What is the justification for limiting this list to acts of the United States?

Surely you can't be suggesting that the United States was the world's only imperial power ever.
Hah! Let's limit it to the U.S. just to piss off the U.S. nationalists.

pusher robot
30th July 2007, 17:01
Originally posted by Dean+July 30, 2007 03:20 pm--> (Dean @ July 30, 2007 03:20 pm)
pusher [email protected] 30, 2007 02:47 pm
What is the justification for limiting this list to acts of the United States?

Surely you can't be suggesting that the United States was the world's only imperial power ever.
Hah! Let's limit it to the U.S. just to piss off the U.S. nationalists. [/b]
It doesn't piss them off, it just confirms what they already believe.

Ugge
31st July 2007, 14:46
That America's war against poor peaceloving nazi-germany is passed on as an example of american imperialism, kind of takes the air out of the argument.

Dean
1st August 2007, 03:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 01:46 pm
That America's war against poor peaceloving nazi-germany is passed on as an example of american imperialism, kind of takes the air out of the argument.
you must mean this:

WORLD WAR II 1941-45 Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear Hawaii bombed, fought Japan, Italy and Germay for 3 years; first nuclear war.

You do remember history class, right? The U.S. entered the war near the end of it, only because it saw Germany - which by then was long known to have been murdering Jews and ruthlessly annexing weaker nations - as a threat to it's own capitalist interests. In fact, by staying out of the war, which severely damaged the other Allies' economies, the United States was able to spend years building its economy so it could come out ahead after the war. The entire management of the war was imperialist: hold off the Germans, but not too harshly, so that your economic rivals can continue to become weaker (especially Russia), and come int to bail the losing side out so that your rivals end up split up.

Don't forget the dropping of the atomic bomb. ~175,000 Japanese civilians killed is somehow justified? Japan was bombed so it could be used, not so it would surrender - it already had.

Besides, even if the war was just - which I do agree it was right to go in, but that it should have been done a lot sooner - that doesn't justify any of the other coups, death squads, colonization, protectionism, etc.. It just means that one of the acts might not belong on the list.

Ol' Dirty
1st August 2007, 20:49
Originally posted by pusher [email protected] 30, 2007 09:47 am




What is the justification for limiting this list to acts of the United States?

As they are the worlds strongest contemporary imperialist power, it would make sense to concentrate criticism on that state.


Surely you can't be suggesting that the United States was the world's only imperial power ever.

Right, but they have the most bearing on the world.