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Andy Bowden
30th July 2007, 01:15
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6920941.stm

Farc 'killed hostages by mistake'


The 11 politicians who died while being held by Farc rebels were killed during an accidental clash between factions, Colombia's intelligence chief has said.
Andres Penate said intercepted communications showed the left-wing movement had shot dead the hostages after coming across another rebel unit.

Thinking they were security forces, commanders ordered the hostages to be killed rather than let them be rescued.

The Farc said in a statement that they were investigating the incident.

The group had previously insisted the politicians were killed in crossfire when an "unidentified military group" attacked their jungle camp in the western Valle del Cauca region on 18 June.

'Deception'

But the head of the DAS intelligence agency denied there had been any military operations in the area, saying informers and communication intercepts proved the Farc were responsible for the deaths.

Mr Penate said evidence showed the commander of the 60th Front, who is known as El Grillo, or the Cricket, ordered the politicians to be shot dead after his fighters clashed with the 29th Front.

Mr Penate then presented the transcript of a radio conversation, in which an unidentified Farc rebel reportedly asks about the sole hostage who was not killed in the incident.

The rebels then "tampered with the scene of the crime" and attempted to move the bodies before they are handed over, Mr Penate said.

"They're trying to deceive the public, pretending that the hostages were located in the proposed safe heaven so that they can blame the government for their deaths," he told reporters on Saturday.

"Fools! Assassins! Liars! Now they want to consummate the lie," he added.

The BBC's Jeremy McDermott in Bogota says that, if it is true, the massacre will pile yet more pressure on the Farc, which after more than 40 years of fighting, has reached its lowest level of public support.

The Farc, or Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, is attempting to overthrow the government and impose a socialist state.

The politicians were among a group of some 60 hostages - including Colombia's former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt and three US defence contractors -who the Farc want to swap for hundreds of their imprisoned comrades.

OneBrickOneVoice
30th July 2007, 05:56
wtf? lowest support? 40% of the country?

Tekun
30th July 2007, 12:18
^Yep, most of the population is brainwashed by Uribe's political machine which is blaming the FARC "terrorists" for anything that opposes his US controlled domestric policies
Therefore, when hostages are killed in a firefight induced by government troops such as in this event, ppl are influenced to blame FARC for it
Yet, all most all fail to recognize that most of the hostages FARC have taken are enemies of the working class such as politicians, soldiers, pigs, and the like
Thus, FARC has continued to be condemned by most of the population who's not only influenced by Uribe, but wants to see an end to the 40+yr conflict in Colombia

Andy Bowden
30th July 2007, 19:02
Are there any credible figures for the support Farc has in Colombia? I remember a Beeb article saying they had 5%, but that, frankly, can only be bollocks considering the level of resistance they've given to the state.

I remember either Chebol or CDL put up a good article on the Farc on this site showing people actually emigrated to their liberated zone in droves, and that the Farc was active across the country.

Luís Henrique
30th July 2007, 20:52
As far as I know, they control 40% of the territory, but only a smallish portion of the population. The big cities remain under the control of the Colombian State.

They fight an unwinable war. There is no way to choke the cities by taking the hinterland in Colombia.

Luís Henrique

metalero
31st July 2007, 03:05
The DAS is the Colombian Intelligence Agency, pretty infamous for handig out information to right-wing death squads about union leaders and leftist activists, many of them who are still dissapeared or have been found dismembered in common graves. Its former director, a close ally of Uribe, was investigated by the own general attorney office about the Para-scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%932007_Colombian_parapolitics_scandal). So, what in the world makes you think you can trust this intelligence Unit at service of paramilitaries, druglords and the Colombian burgouise represented in the paramilitary government of Uribe? this is nothing more than another desperate attempt to foster support for Uribe militaristic adventures in his dirty war against colombian workers and peasants. FARC had held the ex-councilmen as political hostages for 4 years, and were always pressuring for a humanitarian exchange for 500 rebels held as prisoners in state prisons under torture. Most of the colombian people including relatives of captives prefer a humanitarian exchange rather than militaristic adventure that risk the lives of their loved ones. Yet Uribe has been reluctant to negotiate due to his doctrine of total war, and despite all the media manipulation and state terror he was put under pressure to negotiate a prisoners exchange. All he needed was a perfect excuse to discredit FARC and receive support to continue his war policies. FARC had denounced several times failed rescue attempts by the state forces that put at great risk the lives of the hostages. In a recent interview with Telesur (http://www.telesurtv.net/secciones/noticias/nota/15095/en-declaraciones-exclusivas-para-telesur-vocero-de-las-farc-aporta-nuevos-elementos-a-la-tragedia-de-los-diputados-colombianos/) FARC commander Raul Reyes explained they are eager to deliver the bodies to their relatives and prior to an international comission to investigate the circumstances of death. He also says there are foreign military units, from U.S, U.K and Israel active in Colombia and were especially involved in the FARC zones where they held the hostages. I'll translate the video article later on.

McLeft
2nd August 2007, 16:25
Really, this discussion is absurd. FARC are narco-terrorists. Their once flourishing fight for revolution has become reduced to a pointless struggle for power with no public support funded by kidnappings, killings and drugs. For over 40 years they have been butchering Colombians along with the ELN and the AUC; those 3 have more in common than they think. FARC are simply pathetic, there is no way they can win this war because the army is simply too powerful and thugs such as Uribe are simply too popular.

The people haven't been brainwashed by anybody, they have witnessed the damage themselves, just as they've been able to witness the damage caused by continuous governments over the past 40 years.

It's time for Colombians to realise that neither the government or FARC/ELN/AUC are fighting for a popular cause, they're all part of the same plague and all should disappear.

Nothing Human Is Alien
3rd August 2007, 00:43
Democratic socialism is the way forward, right?

Look, all of your false claims have been refuted before on this board, several times: Thread 1 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=56589&hl=FARC), Thread 2 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=47141&hl=Farc&st=0), Thread 3 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=44665&hl=), Thread 4 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=43144&st=25), Thread 5 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=43113&hl=), Thread 6 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=42158&hl=), Thread 7 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=31991&hl=), Thread 8 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32838&hl=).

Karl Marx's Camel
3rd August 2007, 23:25
I remember a leftist here who had moved to England.

He told us about how he and his father and others were stopped by FARC. They executed a bunch of people, painted trucks with FARC logos and said they would kill them if they removed it, or something like that.

The possibility of a false flag operation is of course there technically, but I somehow doubt it.