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TC
29th July 2007, 20:44
Fat LiesObesity, laxity, and political correctness.
By William Saletan
Posted Thursday, July 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM ET

Obesity is contagious like a virus. Willpower can't contain it. Stop blaming and stigmatizing fat people.

That's how scientists and the press are spinning a new study about weight gain, published today in the New England Journal of Medicine. The spin is politically correct but medically perverted. The study's findings tell exactly the opposite story: Obesity spreads culturally, individual decisions are crucial, and responsibility and stigma are part of the solution.

How did the story get twisted? Start with the contagion metaphor. The word contagious never appears in the original paper, written by Nicholas Christakis of Harvard Medical School and James Fowler of the University of California at San Diego. But it's all over their sound bites. "Obesity Is 'Socially Contagious,' " said the headline on UCSD's press release. Christakis told reporters that obesity can "spread from person to person like a fashion or a germ" and that "once it starts, it's hard to stop it. It can spread like wildfire." A government official who funded the research concluded, "It takes what was seen as a noninfectious disease (obesity) and shows it clearly has got communicable factors."

These metaphors spread rapidly through the media like … well, like bad metaphors. The New York Times ("Study Says Obesity Can Be Contagious") opened its report with the line, "Obesity can spread from person to person, much like a virus. …" The Los Angeles Times ("Obesity is 'contagious,' study finds") began, "Obesity can spread among a group of friends like a contagious disease," and added that the study showed a "pattern of contagion most often associated with infectious diseases." The Washington Post began, "Obesity appears to spread from one person to another like a virus or a fad. …"

The virus metaphor infected—actually, no, it didn't infect, it simply influenced—the authors' and the media's conclusions. "Treating people in groups may be more effective than treating them individually," Christakis argued. The Los Angeles Times paraphrased one expert's inference that "obesity treatment programs should move away from their emphasis on individual willpower." The Post said the results "lend support to treating people in groups or even whole communities." A warning against "relieving people of responsibility for watching their weight" vanished from the Post's article overnight.

Obviously, from a collective standpoint, it's more efficient to address obesity in a group than in one individual. But just as obviously, groups consist of individuals. And the gist of this study is that obesity did not spread through the sampled population like a virus or any other materially transmitted malady. It spread culturally, individual to individual, through the relaxation of standards of personal discipline.

Many scientists believe that in some cases, viruses literally cause obesity. Others point to genes or environmental constraints, such as fast-food joints, distances too great to walk, and a shortage of parks, sidewalks, and good grocery stores. Research suggests these factors do matter a lot—and to that extent, fat people deserve sympathy, not blame. But such factors can't account for the spread pattern documented in this study. Genetics can't explain it, since having a fat friend was more likely to predict a person's obesity than having a fat sibling was. Environmental constraints can't explain it, since faraway friends made a difference, while next-door neighbors didn't. Availability of food can't explain it, since friends had a bigger effect than spouses did. Nor can sheer imitative eating, since faraway friends had as big an effect as local friends did.

Cross off genes, viruses, environment, and imitation, and the only explanatory factor you're left with is, as the paper notes, each person's "perception of the social norms regarding the acceptability of obesity." In other words, culture. Moreover, the study documents obesity's differential spread not through an amorphous group but through a network. The point of differential spread though a network is that each node—in this case, each person's cultural decisions—matters.

The upshot of the data is that if you find yourself caught in a fattening social network, you have three options. You can resist the fattening norm. You can try to reverse it. Or you can ditch your fat friends.

That doesn't sound very nice. The study's authors certainly don't want to say it. In talking to the press, the Post notes, they "cautioned that people should not … stigmatize obese people." Likewise, an obesity expert from Yale warned the New York Times against "blaming obese people even more for things that are caused by a terrible environment." Fowler cautioned that studies "suggest that having more friends makes you healthier. So the last thing that you want to do is get rid of any of your friends." Christakis added, "We are not suggesting that people should sever ties with their overweight friends. But forming ties with underweight or normal weight friends may be beneficial to you."

Come on. Everything in the study belies these mealy-mouthed conclusions. To resist a fattening norm, you need willpower. To reverse it, you need to promote responsibility, which implies blame. You almost certainly need stigma. And realistically, to add normal or underweight friends to your circle, you have to relegate others who are overweight. That may be bad for your fat ex-friends, who will lose your friendship as well as your thinness. But it's fine for you, since you'll have just as many friends as before.

Maybe it's not nice to speak these truths. But maybe being nice, when you should be speaking the truth—especially to your friends—is the problem.

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Interesting. Thoughts?

Vanguard1917
30th July 2007, 19:02
Obesity is a problem. But compared to the struggle against hunger put up by humanity throughout human history, it's a small problem - one solved pretty straightforwardly through individual initiave: exercising a bit more and eating a bit less (indeed, in this sense, the fact that some of us can now afford to overeat is something to be celebrated). This can't be said about the struggle against hunger - which needs social solutions, revolution, radical social change.

Also, today's obsession with 'fat people', especially those 'greedy fat Americans', can be seen to be motivated by a more general widespread unease with material wealth and raised living standards for the masses, as this interesting article points out: 'Why people hate fat Americans' (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/670/).

Le Libérer
10th August 2007, 04:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 01:02 pm
Obesity is a problem. But compared to the struggle against hunger put up by humanity throughout human history, it's a small problem - one solved pretty straightforwardly through individual initiave: exercising a bit more and eating a bit less (indeed, in this sense, the fact that some of us can now afford to overeat is something to be celebrated). This can't be said about the struggle against hunger - which needs social solutions, revolution, radical social change.

Also, today's obsession with 'fat people', especially those 'greedy fat Americans', can be seen to be motivated by a more general widespread unease with material wealth and raised living standards for the masses, as this interesting article points out: 'Why people hate fat Americans' (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/670/).
Good article Vanguard. There is one point I would like to add to the article. In rural southern U$ obesity is probably the highest in the country. There are more poor people who cant afford "good food", which is expensive, so to make the most out of the small amount of money they can spend on food, they buy cheap processed food which is loaded with preservatives and addtives that havent been tested. Since these food products have to endure a shelf life. Alot of the diet foods contain additives to make you hungry. Thats why you will lose weight eating organic sugar over artificial sweetners.

Its really ashame. Its actually a status symbol to be thin, because thinness proves you have the wealth to eat properly.

Pawn Power
10th August 2007, 06:50
Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 01:02 pm
Obesity is a problem. But compared to the struggle against hunger put up by humanity throughout human history, it's a small problem - one solved pretty straightforwardly through individual initiave: exercising a bit more and eating a bit less (indeed, in this sense, the fact that some of us can now afford to overeat is something to be celebrated).
I wouldn't put the problem solely with the individual. Indeed, we do have a poor working class in the US that is able to eat in excess to the point of obesity. However, external factors are in play- long work hours and overtime pushing the desire and accessibility for of fast food and cheap packaged food as well as the overall poor quality (that is often fatty with high sodium) that comes with cheaper food. The poor working class has an unlimited access to calories, probably for the first time in history, but it is not a unlimited amount of nutritious food.

This is not to say that progress people's diet has not taken place and it is also taking into account your criticisms in another post about the new glorified health push, but obesity is not just an individuals problem. Like many "individual problems and culturally specific diseases, it can be traced to larger domains- culture, society, and in this case advanced industrial capitalism.

Vanguard1917
10th August 2007, 14:32
The poor working class has an unlimited access to calories, probably for the first time in history, but it is not a unlimited amount of nutritious food.

What is 'nutritious food'? Fruit, fresh vegetables, etc? Are these products more expensive than burgers, chips and processed foods? Are most people not bothering to eat five portions of fruit and veg a day (as the British government has prescribed for them) because they can't afford to, or because they've realised that they have better things to do than listen to the food snobs?

Because what the food snobs ignore is that people in the West (and indeed throughout much of the world) are eating better today than ever before - as i'm glad to see you acknowledge. And, despite what some may believe, people in the West are living longer and healthier lives than ever before.

What's really happening here is that our self-appointed moral guardians in the middle classes use the diets of the masses as a means to take the moral highground and decide what's best for ordinary men and women (who apparently don't know what kind of food is best for them). Like this article (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2902/) points out, 'there is a barely concealed disdain for the McMasses, the kind of people who eat in McDonald’s. What is presented as pseudo-medical concern for people’s health and wellbeing is often really a judgement on the lifestyle and behaviour of a certain class of people who are presumed to be lazy, feckless, easily swayed by garish adverts, unconcerned for the wellbeing of their children and not sufficiently clued-up about how to make fresh and healthy pasta dishes from scratch.'

Of course, there's also a rampant middle class prejudice against industrialisation and the mass production of food, when in reality it is precisely as a result of such progress that millions of working class people in the West can afford to spend a little less time worrying about the mundane practice of eating.

Pawn Power
10th August 2007, 20:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:32 am
What is 'nutritious food'? Fruit, fresh vegetables, etc? Are these products more expensive than burgers, chips and processed foods? Are most people not bothering to eat five portions of fruit and veg a day (as the British government has prescribed for them) because they can't afford to, or because they've realised that they have better things to do than listen to the food snobs?






"nutritious" food probably wasn't t the appropriate adjective. The point is; corporate food producers don't care about our health and usually you have to pay (with either money or your own time in food preparation) for "healthy" food. This is perhaps a factor in the lower life expectancy of the poor working class, along with health care, working conditions, stress, environmental racism. etc. It is not about eating fresh fruits and vegetables as it is about eating purchased food that is produced with little regard for the consumer's health.


Because what the food snobs ignore is that people in the West (and indeed throughout much of the world) are eating better today than ever before - as i'm glad to see you acknowledge. And, despite what some may believe, people in the West are living longer and healthier lives than ever before.
I agree with your description of food snobs and believe them to be utterly snobbish.


What's really happening here is that our self-appointed moral guardians in the middle classes use the diets of the masses as a means to take the moral highground and decide what's best for ordinary men and women (who apparently don't know what kind of food is best for them). Like this article (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2902/) points out, 'there is a barely concealed disdain for the McMasses, the kind of people who eat in McDonald’s. What is presented as pseudo-medical concern for people’s health and wellbeing is often really a judgement on the lifestyle and behaviour of a certain class of people who are presumed to be lazy, feckless, easily swayed by garish adverts, unconcerned for the wellbeing of their children and not sufficiently clued-up about how to make fresh and healthy pasta dishes from scratch.'
Well, as I mentioned before, I do not think it is any of those things in particular but access to time which hinders the working class from cooking "pasta dishes from scratch" or whatever they like and free time for leisurely physical activity.

After I twelve hour shift in the factor I often do not feel like playing basketball or cooking for myself but prefer sitting down with something I can eat out of a bad.

Again, these are problems with capitalism and should not be located only in the individual, as you have done with the case of obesity.


Of course, there's also a rampant middle class prejudice against industrialisation and the mass production of food, when in reality it is precisely as a result of such progress that millions of working class people in the West can afford to spend a little less time worrying about the mundane practice of eating.

There is defiantly some prejudice are hand, and especially one with leftist vegan and anti-consumerist types, but that does not mean that capitalist food producers care about our health. When macdonalds starts sealing salads it is because they can make a profit of them, not because they want to thwart obesity.

And I know many working class people that do not think eating is a "mundane practice" but one of the pleasures of life and would love to have more time or money eating and cooking the things they love!

Vanguard1917
11th August 2007, 04:00
When macdonalds starts sealing salads it is because they can make a profit of them, not because they want to thwart obesity.

Isn't this the case with every business engaged in selling food?


Again, these are problems with capitalism and should not be located only in the individual, as you have done with the case of obesity.

I appreciate that you want to relate the obesity problem with social class, but the relationship is not so straightforward. For example, just last month a study by the UK Food Standards Agency showed that 'For many foods, the types and quantities eaten by people on low income appeared similar to those of the general population. Where differences did exist, they were often consistent across different age groups.'(link (http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/lidnsbranch/#h_3)) In other words, differences are most significant at the level of age rather than social class. Younger people tend to consume more fatty foods irrespective of family income.

Furthermore, as this article ('The war on obesity is a war on the poor') (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3674/) explains, another study by University College London and Great Ormond Street Hospital actually found that 'children growing up in households with incomes greater than Ł33,000 per year were more likely to be obese than those in homes with the lowest incomes'. It argued that 'Long hours of maternal employment, rather than lack of money, may impede young children’s access to healthy foods and physical activity.'

These results took everyone by suprise precisely because it was so widely assumed that obesity is a working class problem caused by low-income people eating the 'wrong' food and not bothering to feed their kids properly.


And I know many working class people that do not think eating is a "mundane practice" but one of the pleasures of life and would love to have more time or money eating and cooking the things they love!

Yes, but that's a matter of recreation (cooking as a hobby, eating out at restaurants, etc.). I'm referring to the fact that the mass production of food has, at least in the developed world, allowed more people than ever to have better access to better nutrition than ever. Of course we should always seek to improve the quality of the food produced. But this is not going to happen by going backwards and retreating from modern production methods; the point is to surpass them.