How large is the current Communist Movement?

[The New Left]

How large is the communist movement right now world wide? Is it possible for the world to recognize that communism is still alive and well?

[More Fire for the People]

Leftist Parties of the World (http://broadleft.org/) — they have a list of all the communist and leftist parties around the world. I would say we are in a kind of limbo right now. We're no longer in the post-Soviet reaction that began in the late 1970s but their isn't a wide-scale resurgence of the communist movement. We're at the beginning of a third-wave: Argentina, France, Denmark, East and South Africa, and Mexico are the springboards of the coming resurgence. I think it would be a good habit to take note of the types of resurgence we're seeing: EZLN, anti-neoliberalism, general strikes, occupied factories, mass riots, ethno-cultural rebellion, etc.

[Tatarin]

What? Denmark?

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 11:45 am
What? Denmark?
Ungdomshuset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungdomshuset).

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Hopscotch is right (as usual :wub: )

the EU still think we are a force. They tried to pass a bill that restricts the rights of communist parties in Europ

[Janus]

How large is the communist movement right now world wide?
That's actually pretty difficult to gauge since there are many groups out there that are communist in little more than name. For example, the CPC is currently the largest communist party in the world with a membership of around 71 million but I doubt that anyone would believe that all of them are actual communists.


Is it possible for the world to recognize that communism is still alive and well?
Not if our representatives are to be Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and the PRC.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Not if our representatives are to be Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and the PRC.


Unfortunately, that is a PR battle, and with capitalists controlling schools, government, industry, and the media, it's hard to explain real socialism to the masses.

I would say realistically speaking the movement towards socialism/communism, being that people are embracing their perception of the radical Left, is very small, but stable, maybe even slightly growing. I see a huge movement AWAY from capitalism (social democracies), though -- I just think people are skeptic about joining the Left when we've been branded with the image of China, Stalin, and in some places Hitler. :rolleyes:

The internent, social gatherings, and literature are the best mediums to spread the socialist/communist movement.

[The New Left]

How is the movement compared to National Socialism? Because all see is a bunch of losers sitting around painting swastikas on roads to piss people off.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Denmark

Denmark is more like a hub for rightwing extremists. It is a very rightwing country where rightwing extremists have a stronghold. A lot of the anti-arab articles published in Norway are written in Danish, and it is no coincidence.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 10:38 am

Denmark

Denmark is more like a hub for rightwing extremists. It is a very rightwing country where rightwing extremists have a stronghold. A lot of the anti-arab articles published in Norway are written in Danish, and it is no coincidence.
I cited ungdomshuset as an example of the resurgence of phenomena of the mass riot. The genealogy of the mass riot is long but the key moments in its history are Watts '65, Paris '68, and LA '92. These moments illustrate what happens when a mass riots reach a certain threshold: ethno-cultural divisions breakdown, the image of sustained order collapses, and the organization of counter-resistance begins: 'Crips. Bloods. Mexicans. Forever. Tonite.'

So while there is an anti-Arab sentiment in the Danish media there is also this strong underclass agency that breaks out of the spectacle.

[Floyce White]

Whether or not the members of the CPC are communists really isn't the question. Many tens of millions of working-class Chinese participated in the "anti-corruption" [of society moving toward communism] actions of 1989. Most of them were not members of the CP. For sure, millions of them had been participants in earier movements. Participants in agricultural communes fought bitterly against de-communization even into the '80s. And many worker activists in the so-called "Cultural Revolution" were still alive and active.

For that matter, millions of anti-apartheid and anti-South African imperialism fighters called themselves "communists" or "comrades." Many thousands of them still are active throughout the region.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 05:38 pm
Denmark is more like a hub for rightwing extremists. It is a very rightwing country where rightwing extremists have a stronghold.
Actually, Denmarks only notable radical nationalist group (DNSB and FDN does not even have 10 members), Dansk Front, recently collapsed. So no theres no real nazi group in Denmark at all.


However, Dansk Folkeparti, who is a xenophobic right-wing populist party do have 13 percents of the votes, which is sad. But parties like that rule several european countries, France for example. That does not make France's radical potential any lesser. ;)

[RGacky3]

Originally posted by Floyce [email protected] 31, 2007 02:54 am
Whether or not the members of the CPC are communists really isn't the question. Many tens of millions of working-class Chinese participated in the "anti-corruption" [of society moving toward communism] actions of 1989. Most of them were not members of the CP. For sure, millions of them had been participants in earier movements. Participants in agricultural communes fought bitterly against de-communization even into the '80s. And many worker activists in the so-called "Cultural Revolution" were still alive and active.

For that matter, millions of anti-apartheid and anti-South African imperialism fighters called themselves "communists" or "comrades." Many thousands of them still are active throughout the region.
Floyd what your talking about in China sounds quite interesting, is there anywhere I can read up about that, the peasent, working class movements against de-communization?

I think recently non-Leninist Socialism has been making a big comeback, I think we might be getting over the USSR syndrome.

[Rawthentic]

Wow, RGacky, I haven't noticed that trend at all really.

What is "non-Leninist socialism", by the way? Or are you just throwing shit out you yourself dont understand?

[RGacky3]

Non-Leninist Socialist? Do you really have to ask that question seriously? Its a Socialist that does'nt follow Lenins Theories/Trends.

You Sound like a Catholic that cannot understand that Christianity exists outside the Catholic Church.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

So no theres no real nazi group in Denmark at all.


I never said nazi, simply "rightwing extremists". Now that might have sounded like a reference to nazis as it commonly is, my bad, but I was thinking more of the anti-arabic, fundamentalist pro-U.S. people.

[rebelworker]

Originally posted by Hopscotch Anthill+July 30, 2007 06:00 pm--> (Hopscotch Anthill @ July 30, 2007 06:00 pm)
[email protected] 30, 2007 10:38 am

Denmark

Denmark is more like a hub for rightwing extremists. It is a very rightwing country where rightwing extremists have a stronghold. A lot of the anti-arab articles published in Norway are written in Danish, and it is no coincidence.
I cited ungdomshuset as an example of the resurgence of phenomena of the mass riot. The genealogy of the mass riot is long but the key moments in its history are Watts '65, Paris '68, and LA '92. These moments illustrate what happens when a mass riots reach a certain threshold: ethno-cultural divisions breakdown, the image of sustained order collapses, and the organization of counter-resistance begins: 'Crips. Bloods. Mexicans. Forever. Tonite.'

So while there is an anti-Arab sentiment in the Danish media there is also this strong underclass agency that breaks out of the spectacle. [/b]
I hate to break it to you but that whole ungwndunkenwhatever was a bit of a joke, litterally a dozen or so danish punx and another dozen or so international punx away on a fantasy camp...

mabey there was a couple hundred who rioted in support of the, but in comparason to the once massive squters "autonomen" movement a eceade or two ago clearly things are on the decline...

Iranian Labour movemnt, southern Mexico, The council movemnts in Venezuela, immigrants organising in the US, there are defenitly some positive things emerging right now so i wouldnt give up total hope, but the PR anpractical failures of "communism" in the past defenitly leave us with alot of work to do.

[Floyce White]

RGacky3, do you have some problem with given names that are not Anglicized?