Nazis in Australia

[AnarchJim]

Dear fellow Australians.

I knew NeoNazis were in Australia, I knew I would find them one day, I thought I would be able to stand up against them, but on that last one I was wrong.

Recently I have bumped into a number of fascists down at Dimond Creek, VIC and as I stood alone and luckily not wearing my 'Nazi Punk's Fuck Off - Dead Kennedys' T-shirt or any other anti-fascist clothing. I actually spoke to them and they tried to recruit me and as it was me with about five of them around me I desided it best to keep it to myself that I hate their beliefs.

So as I now know there are fascists in Dimond Creek, I was wondering where else they are known to be (not that I am going to go start some fights or that I am going to avoid those areas, but so I don't get surprised again by a whole bunch of Nazis telling me that I should join them for a party with more fascists [obviously I did not attend, using some pitiful excuse])?

Also if their are any Antifa who would be willing to get incontact with me (not nessacarily dirrectly but so I can be informed about up coming rallys and shit) could they please send me a message to inisiate communication.

Cheers.

[Palmares]

I think this (http://fightdemback.org) is a good starting point.

So I look up where the fuck the place you mentioned is - the very outskirts of Melbourne. I guess I heard that the nazis were driven out of the city into the burbs long ago. I think they are maybe slightly on the rise again since being smashed back in the day.

I've even heard of boneheads in Fairfield. Then there was/is the Skrewdriver singers (i forget his name at the minute) memorial gigs, the last at the Birmie in Fitzroy...

But yeah, not alot of nazis. Not as active as like in Romper Stomper. And certainly not as many as in Europe, and hell, perhaps not even as organised as the ones in NZ.

I think perhaps nazis are somewhat ignored in Australian activism these days though. I hope this doesnt create a mad situation. But theres still people who do stuff, and I guess the link I gave can help you figure out more.

I cant help though, I not in Australia at the moment. But with the experience of nazis here in Europe, perhaps I'll be able to think about how to deal with them in Australia upon my return.

[AnarchJim]

Cheers mate, as I said I don't want to be put in the situation were I'm alone with a whole bunch of them again cause it made me sick to try to pretend I was comfortable and on their side.

[An archist]

From my experiences, nazis will not attack in broad daylight, I got approached by two of em once because of my antifa patches, kindly told em to fuck off and continued my way.

[Bilan]

I've met a couple of fascists up here. I was friends with one before he turned.
We saw a couple of them at a RTS protest a while back. I remember it very clearly.
Infact, I saw the motherfuckers the other day.
But anyway, last Antifa action I went too there was like 7 of us there. Not huge.
There's the potential for it to be bigger, but there's been some major issues with activism in Australia - basically, the main thing being that it's way to activist exclusive

As for antifa in Melbourne...not so sure.
There's anarchists. Maybe you should get in contact with them.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 29, 2007 07:42 pm
From my experiences, nazis will not attack in broad daylight, I got approached by two of em once because of my antifa patches, kindly told em to fuck off and continued my way.
Classic.

But yeah, we're too complacent about nazis. Given the racist nature of this country, the potential for the nazis is big - look at Cronulla...

[SpikeyRed]

Fascists in Diamond Creek you say? Wouldn't surprise me actually.

Jim A Space Outside (http://www.aspaceoutside.org) is where you can find some Melbourne Anarchists, and they are active.

Were they actually trying to recruit you to some kind of party? Or were they just trying to propaganda you?

Cthenthar your right, Over the past year and half I've noticed a huge rise in this fucked up Jingoistic Nationalism among alot of youth, from 15 years to 26\27. It's fashionable too loudly proclaim "Aussie Pride", flash the flag around and that sort of thing, and of course, we know this kind of thinking is quite dangerous. I encounter it at school alot, an "Us" and "Them" mentality, where being "Aussie" means being white as an unspoken assumption.
My school actually banned the flag from our Athletics day, which was shortly after the Big Day Out controversy, and this sparked a bit of anger among students.

Needs more internationalism!

FIGHT THE FASCIST SCUM!

[AnarchJim]

Thanks for the Link Spikey.


Were they actually trying to recruit you to some kind of party? Or were they just trying to propaganda you?

Requriting me. They did know I was into Punk Rock (not nessacarily and Anarchist though I am but they didn't know that, I hope, for the moment at least) and the guy I knew there before this time told me of how he used to be a punk them he went to "Nazi Punk" as he said, he then went on to tell me that I should get into it and come out with them, acting all casual of course.

Well the party was a party with other trash heads from the area and other scummy parts round there, and alot of them were fascists from what i could gather since they all seemed to be familure with them and spoke of things they have done like bashing people (which was quite hard as i was about to punch him in the face and say proudly "ERASE RACISM" but knew that I would soon be face down on the train tracks).

Propaganda, I doubt it, mainly they just wanted me on their side as I am tall and call quite a large number of people i come incontact with to hide in fear when I get annoyed and stand over them.

I actually chased the guy down a while ago and got him to the ground ready to bash him when one of both of our mates through me off and started laying into me before my mates got there and pulled him off and the fash had run off.

Actually Spike this was the day before I met you down at the train station, and I was glad I didn't bump into him that day, you saw I had my Nazi Punks Fuck Off T-Shirt on that day, but Nazi sign on front with a nice big no smoking style slash over it, but that day I was with friends most of the day so I knew I wouldn't be caught by myself.

[AnarchJim]

Hmmn, you've already sent me here SpikeRed but thanks again, I never got the chance to go over it fully as you gave me alot of stuff at the time and I had alot else to do aswell.

Cheers

[ghostofeureka]

It might be of some interest to you guys that some facists on the stormfront forum are trying to organise a rally in sydney next year which they're either going to hold in cronulla or hyde park.

hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-398981.html (http://hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-398981.html)
hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-update-407654.html (http://hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-update-407654.html)

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 06:57 pm
It might be of some interest to you guys that some facists on the stormfront forum are trying to organise a rally in sydney next year which they're either going to hold in cronulla or hyde park.

hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-398981.html (http://hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-398981.html)
hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-update-407654.html (http://hxxp://www.***************/forum/showthread.php/location-sydney-rally-update-407654.html)
It'll probably collapse.
Just like their protest against David Hick's father speaking out against the war. They managed to get three people there, and for some reason, they had a Eureka stockade flag (what the hell?).

but best keep your ears up, just see what happens.

[Dr Mindbender]

learn a martial art in case they try to accost you next time.

[Black Dagger]

If yall wanna learn about the white nationalist movement in oz, what's goin on, some of the personalities, groups involved etc. id suggest reading @ndy's blog: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/

@ndy is more clued about boneheads and their ilk than anyone i know in oz, and he's always updating - just a great resource, check it out!

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 04:02 pm
Jim A Space Outside (http://www.aspaceoutside.org) is where you can find some Melbourne Anarchists, and they are active.
That was a collective created simply for the g20 summit protests. And Im not so sure they would call themselves anarchists, though definitely not socialists, but perhaps autonomists (some of them use that term anyway).

And the link didnt work for me, so perhaps that realtes to my point.

Barricade Books (http://www.barricade.org.au/) and the Melbourne Anarchist Club are better places to hook up with Melbourne anarchists.

[Cybercide]

Originally posted by bleeding gums [email protected] 03, 2007 01:14 pm
If yall wanna learn about the white nationalist movement in oz, what's goin on, some of the personalities, groups involved etc. id suggest reading @ndy's blog: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/

@ndy is more clued about boneheads and their ilk than anyone i know in oz, and he's always updating - just a great resource, check it out!
good link. so is there any anti-fa's in Aust?

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by Cybercide+August 08, 2007 11:59 pm--> (Cybercide @ August 08, 2007 11:59 pm)
bleeding gums [email protected] 03, 2007 01:14 pm
If yall wanna learn about the white nationalist movement in oz, what's goin on, some of the personalities, groups involved etc. id suggest reading @ndy's blog: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/

@ndy is more clued about boneheads and their ilk than anyone i know in oz, and he's always updating - just a great resource, check it out!
good link. so is there any anti-fa's in Aust? [/b]
Fight Dem Back (http://www.fightdemback.com/) are the one that comes to mind.

[Black Dagger]

Yup, it's just with a small, disorganised and self-destructive movement of fascists/white nationalists there's hardly any dedicated antifa around... cept when the white nationalists have their annual talk-shop the 'sydney forum'.

A good starting point for organised antifa in oz is:

http://fightdemback.org/

[guerilla E]

The Nazis in Melbourne got driven out a little way back, I haven't been in Melbourne since December 07 so I don't know how much has changed.

They used to have a bookstore near Sydney Rd, but that front has been quiet and the skins haven't been sighted there (to the best of my knowledge) for a while.

However before I left there were confirmed attacks and sightings inside the CBD after dark, the fascists are out there but they're all vampires. They're definetly not as 'out of the closet' as the ones in Europe, so there's a good chance your run ins will be kept uncommon if not rare.

First post. Yeay.

[Palmares]

They used to have a bookstore near Sydney Rd

Huh? Are you mistakenly referring to the anarchist bookshop that used to be there? The nazis did attack that bookshop sometime ago.

[guerilla E]

nah mate, ages ago there was a NF (i think) bookstore there, built like a little library bunker. Nazis used that place to walk up and down near the train station to hassle the people who'd stray off from sydney rd. Stupid, since sydney rd has a ton of middle eastern teens not to mention the a population of the old revolutionaries from Turkey living in melbourne.

I'll get a time check on when it vanished, but I remember some Turkish kids making facist runs around those backstreets after community gossip heated them up.

And theres an anarchist bookstore there?! Have to check it out when I roll into melbourne again; there are some awesome student houses and places around that area.

[hajduk]

ANARCHYJIM you have in AUSTRALIA also the ultra wright serb radicals called chetnicks and ultra wright croatian radicals called ustashas and they are more dangerous than fascist becouse those suckers are serious.... try to located them becouse ustashas colaborate with fascist becouse they have same hystorical background like nacies

[guerilla E]

dammit my last post didn't post.

hajduk,
Community specific groups are incredibly hard to locate, since they mostly only target their own communities or keep their violence specified to certain groups or people inside such communities.

I don't know too well to comment specifically; I'm using my experience from the Turkish community in Melbourne. We have a serious problem with bozkurt jackals enforcing their psuedo fascist nationalism over the community. These people are NOT like the skinheads, they roll around in mercedes and run big business, and have connections with the mafia. Facism and organized crime have always gone hand-in-hand.

Tarik Solak, the king of cowards, is one of these bastards. Big tough man, especially when he's speeding off in his mercedes away from the leftists.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by guerilla [email protected] 18, 2007 08:55 pm
nah mate, ages ago there was a NF (i think) bookstore there, built like a little library bunker. Nazis used that place to walk up and down near the train station to hassle the people who'd stray off from sydney rd. Stupid, since sydney rd has a ton of middle eastern teens not to mention the a population of the old revolutionaries from Turkey living in melbourne.

I'll get a time check on when it vanished, but I remember some Turkish kids making facist runs around those backstreets after community gossip heated them up.

And theres an anarchist bookstore there?! Have to check it out when I roll into melbourne again; there are some awesome student houses and places around that area.
Fuck... an NF bookshop???

But yeah, sydney rd was where the anarchist bookshop used to be. Its looking to get a new location sometime soon after a bit of a hiatus.

[guerilla E]

Ok, I got the info on the bookstore - it was National Action book store that was driven out by a campaign from all brunswick businesses. The action occured a long time ago, so there is no confusion that the anarchist bookstore and this one is compeletely different.

The group, who drove them out, was called Brunswick Against the Nazis. I am still not 100% sure about the details, but I remember hearing a bit about the entire thing.

Sorry about the mistake, it has been absolutely ages since that entire saga.
Was that bookstore your talking about barricade?
If so then when are they moving?

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 29, 2007 09:42 am
From my experiences, nazis will not attack in broad daylight, I got approached by two of em once because of my antifa patches, kindly told em to fuck off and continued my way.
The way that we think Fascists will fuck us up, they think that Anarchists will whip a Molotov on their ass without hesitation. Two way street.

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by guerilla [email protected] 18, 2007 10:57 pm
Ok, I got the info on the bookstore - it was National Action book store that was driven out by a campaign from all brunswick businesses. The action occured a long time ago, so there is no confusion that the anarchist bookstore and this one is compeletely different.

The group, who drove them out, was called Brunswick Against the Nazis. I am still not 100% sure about the details, but I remember hearing a bit about the entire thing.

Sorry about the mistake, it has been absolutely ages since that entire saga.
Was that bookstore your talking about barricade?
If so then when are they moving?

Yeah I am also quite sure they used to have a bookshop in Melbourne. Barricade is in the process of finding a new space, and when this happens we will re-open. :)

[hajduk]

Originally posted by guerilla [email protected] 18, 2007 06:14 pm
dammit my last post didn't post.

hajduk,
Community specific groups are incredibly hard to locate, since they mostly only target their own communities or keep their violence specified to certain groups or people inside such communities.

I don't know too well to comment specifically; I'm using my experience from the Turkish community in Melbourne. We have a serious problem with bozkurt jackals enforcing their psuedo fascist nationalism over the community. These people are NOT like the skinheads, they roll around in mercedes and run big business, and have connections with the mafia. Facism and organized crime have always gone hand-in-hand.

Tarik Solak, the king of cowards, is one of these bastards. Big tough man, especially when he's speeding off in his mercedes away from the leftists.
yeah you are right something similar we have during the agression on Bosnia when lot dogs of war came from those kind communitys

[Hiero]

How does one join the organisation Fight Dem Back? Do you have to be an anarchist to join? I would imagine you would kind of need to know someone to join?

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:53 am
How does one join the organisation Fight Dem Back? Do you have to be an anarchist to join? I would imagine you would kind of need to know someone to join?
It just says on their website "If you want to join, contact a local representative."

I have absolutely no idea on how to join.

[AnarchJim]

Wow quite a topic that has led on here.

I thank everyone for their information given, in particular in relation to some of the ANTIFA groups in Australia.


ANARCHYJIM you have in AUSTRALIA also the ultra wright serb radicals called chetnicks and ultra wright croatian radicals called ustashas and they are more dangerous than fascist becouse those suckers are serious.... try to located them becouse ustashas colaborate with fascist becouse they have same hystorical background like nacies

Thanks for the info but as it was mention they are more community based groups and in my knowledge they aren't in my community (could be wrong but I ain't seen any sign of them) and for the moment due to our really unorganised nature of me and my friends I have more of a problem with fearing a group of about 3 or 4 (usually that is their size) bashing me up or sticking a knife in my back just cause I have different views to them. The fash I knew has spoken of involvement in some gangs around melbourne and how he is going to get them to smash up this guys place and kill all he's friends (as if, but I wouldn't put it past him to have gangs to back him up) so I would prefer to aviod the dickhead.

P.S. My name is AnarchJim, not AnarchyJim, but its close enough.


The way that we think Fascists will fuck us up, they think that Anarchists will whip a Molotov on their ass without hesitation. Two way street.

Hell I could have told you that, the problem is were all bashing eachother up and yet Capitalism just blooms. Of recent I have been speaking with the Socialist Party [SP] and they are doing the right thing, focusing on getting things changed for the faver of all people (and not big companies) instead of fighting against Nationalists to beat them down, it's not like The Wiemar Republic (the Riechstag before Nazi Germany) where there was hardly much mention for Capitalism in Germany, they only had to fight off Nationalism and they were sweet, unfortunatly it didn't work.

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 02:34 pm
yeah you are right something similar we have during the agression on Bosnia when lot dogs of war came from those kind communitys
Australia features many people whove migrated from areas stricken with civil unrest, war or political turmoil. Unfortunetly not all of the individuals who come over are on the 'good' side of the fighting or struggle. Some of the people who come over harbor strong nationalist or racist views against certain other communities who've made the same journey, some times they have participated in the fighting or have directly made contributions to an effort.

Keep in mind that the same type of migrations are made by exiled leftists, activists, people wishing to escape regimes/governments and people who feel it is not safe to stay within their own country. These people also bring over their idealogies but, naturally, they tend to be concerned with simply leading a good life or raise their family.

The migrant fascists are supported or have links with very well established organizations or movements back home. They are not to be confused with Australian nationalism as their loyalties still lie with their own country, hence they mainly target the percieved enemies of their own country.

They are better than Aussie fascists in that they do not attack everyone, they dont even attack openly or use violence out in the public, but they are more dangerous for anyone thinking of maybe launching something against them. These people are not just teenagers looking to join a club, theyre carrying the hatred of years of civil unrest and racism.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 09:14 am


(could be wrong but I ain't seen any sign of them)
ANARCHJIM exactly you dont see them becouse they dont whant to be seen...
trust me they are more dangerous becouse the carrying hatred from 1940 and after YUGOSLAVIA state start to exist on political stage USTASHAS and CHETNICKS are escape some of them in SOUTH AMERICA but most of them in AUSTRALIA....
all the time USTASHAS prepared CROATIA to become NDH-National democratic Croatian state which was lead from 1940 to 1945 by the man called ANTE PAVELICH which was colaborate with italian fascist and his leader BENNITO MUSOLINNI...
so AUSIES are peace of cake trust me JIM, USTASHAS have historycal beckground which is stronger then AUSIES...and USTASHAS are hidden in australia underground so that is the reason why you dont saw them

[Pia Fidelis]

Originally posted by guerilla [email protected] 18, 2007 06:14 pm
Facism and organized crime have always gone hand-in-hand.
An absurd and unfounded statement. Especially when one considers that Mussolini rid Calabria and Sicily of the Mafia during the 20's. Organised crime represents the opposite of Fascism: freelance anti-state profiteers.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by Pia Fidelis+August 21, 2007 02:03 pm--> (Pia Fidelis @ August 21, 2007 02:03 pm)
guerilla [email protected] 18, 2007 06:14 pm
Facism and organized crime have always gone hand-in-hand.
An absurd and unfounded statement. Especially when one considers that Mussolini rid Calabria and Sicily of the Mafia during the 20's. Organised crime represents the opposite of Fascism: freelance anti-state profiteers. [/b]
Organized Crime is just that. Organized...Crime. Let's cover the basis of these words to work out what Organized Crime is. Organized, in the words of my dear friend Wiktionary, is "arranged in working order" and crime is "an act comitted in violation of law". Therefore, Organized Crime would be defined as "An act comitted in violation of law in an Organized manner."

This in no way pertains to Anti-Statism, though it could. Fascists and Totalitarians have, since their beginning, have used state-sponsered Organized Crime such as the use of Secret Police (an organized force, though unlawful, therefore an Organized Crime) to enforce laws.

Fascism has always been associated with behind-the-scenes tampering and bullshit law enforcement. I don't see how what Guerilla E said was "absurd and unfounded".

[hajduk]

Originally posted by guerilla E+August 21, 2007 09:26 am--> (guerilla E @ August 21, 2007 09:26 am)
[email protected] 19, 2007 02:34 pm
yeah you are right something similar we have during the agression on Bosnia when lot dogs of war came from those kind communitys

They are better than Aussie fascists in that they do not attack everyone, they dont even attack openly or use violence out in the public, but they are more dangerous for anyone thinking of maybe launching something against them. These people are not just teenagers looking to join a club, theyre carrying the hatred of years of civil unrest and racism. [/b]
to show you how USTASHAS are dangerous then AUSIES see on

http://www.forum.hr/archive/index.php/t-188893.html
this site is forum for USTASHA members
you are lucky guy becouse you dont understand what they speaking


http://forum.politik.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-65576.html
hear they speak on german so if you have someone to translate you, you will see it is creepy


http://www.rjgeib.com/about-me/faq/threat2.html
and here you can find some informations on english about USTASHAS and other naci bastards which are active right know

[Pia Fidelis]

Originally posted by Grandma Sweater+August 21, 2007 03:21 pm--> (Grandma Sweater @ August 21, 2007 03:21 pm)
Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 21, 2007 02:03 pm

guerilla [email protected] 18, 2007 06:14 pm
Facism and organized crime have always gone hand-in-hand.
An absurd and unfounded statement. Especially when one considers that Mussolini rid Calabria and Sicily of the Mafia during the 20's. Organised crime represents the opposite of Fascism: freelance anti-state profiteers.
Organized Crime is just that. Organized...Crime. Let's cover the basis of these words to work out what Organized Crime is. Organized, in the words of my dear friend Wiktionary, is "arranged in working order" and crime is "an act comitted in violation of law". Therefore, Organized Crime would be defined as "An act comitted in violation of law in an Organized manner."

This in no way pertains to Anti-Statism, though it could. Fascists and Totalitarians have, since their beginning, have used state-sponsered Organized Crime such as the use of Secret Police (an organized force, though unlawful, therefore an Organized Crime) to enforce laws.

Fascism has always been associated with behind-the-scenes tampering and bullshit law enforcement. I don't see how what Guerilla E said was "absurd and unfounded". [/b]
Firstly, considering the entire quotation I drew that selected phrase from, it makes much more sense to identify organised crime with mafia and other related groups. Also, your use of the term organised crime is far from the colloquial and accepted term that was being referred to by both myself and the original poster. Your argument is entirely semantic, and has nothing to do with the disagreement had. Go ahead and dissect phrases to create new meanings, it just makes you look unprofessional.

The full quotation was this:

These people are NOT like the skinheads, they roll around in mercedes and run big business, and have connections with the mafia. Facism and organized crime have always gone hand-in-hand.

Completely in reference to, not your interpretation of, but the definition of organised crime - very much put forth because the term mafia was used!.
Thus defined here, using the very same source:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/organized_crime (note what is immediately listed beneath)

Secondly, your logic as to Secret Police and Organised Crime is severely flawed, for if a government body is enforcing a set of laws, no matter what their methods, it is not unlawful. I am not saying that a policing wing of the government is infallible, but a secret police force is a government body, enforcing laws as instated by the government, on terms set out by the government: there is nothing illegal about it, therefore it is not crime. When it comes to secret police, you seem to imply that a governments practice of such is exclusive to Fascism. Even modern socio-democracies use secret police forces. Secret police forces are not always as they are portrayed.

To further this, I think it is fair not to say that Fascism and Organised Crime go hand-in-hand, but rather it was the "allied" forces in the second world war that made use of Organised Crime connections. For instance, the American's use of the Sicilian Mafia in New York to assist with their invasion of Sicily, and the Soviet use of both Ukrainian Nationalist groups and the Russian Mafia. These are prominent examples, but the list is endless; most groups of the sort were suppressed in National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy.