communist and socialist are lazy

[R_P_A_S]

what do YOU guys say to people that claim that those who are either socialist or communist are just lazy and unable to be successful in life. so they use it as an excuse. because they wish life were easy and "fair"

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

I just say how hard did the Rockerfellas work to get to be billionaires?

How come all the ruling class people had private education and went to all the best universities and educational institutions?

How come they get their jobs sorted out by their family?

There are some wealthy socialists who have done amazing things, like be an important scientist or wrote a amazing piece of fiction and from that they got rich, but they still want an end to capitalism and to create something better.

Its just that most socialists have lame jobs because they have a lame education etc.

And, ask them if they think making a revolution is the "easy" option. It'd be easier to try to become a capitalist to be honest.

[Wanted Man]

I back away and let a more industrious comrade speak, because I am pretty lazy.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

"Yeah, it definitely takes a lot of hard work and intelligence to get rich - just look at Paris Hilton."

OR

"Yeah, all those construction workers, miners, and factory workers who formed the backbone of the socialist movement sure were lazy... And today, we even expect 8 year olds to be lazy and stop working in Nike factories."

[Dominicana_1965]

It has been objected that upon the abolition of private property, all work will cease, and universal laziness will overtake us.

According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness, for those of its member who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything do not work.

From the Communist Manifesto.

Comrades aren't intrinsically lazy (hence why a lot of us are up-to-date with whats going on and maintain various forms of activism), instead the majority that are is because of the economic and social conditions brought about by Capitalism & the Bourgeoisie. Some are still containing the Bourgeois implemented thought that if one works one should be immediately rewarded. Its also due to the Bourgeois culture society adheres to...a fetish for ever more wants. We see of course how in the media the majority of ads are based on new commodities and so the majority sees this as the essential goal of life, to purchase more and more. A consumerist society rejects a big part of the interesting aspects of education and being inquisitive. (the media portrays 'smart' individuals as 'nerds' and 'geeks', that don't get rewarded with the luxury this society gives...sexually exploited women, cars & expensive clothes)


One of my friends spent his whole life neglecting different forms of information, he stuck to the established Bourgeois education that the majority of us receive in our early days. He claims he is "lazy" in the sense that "who would work, if you ain't getting money". In other words no Bourgeois awards = this society's laziness. Now attending college he has no idea what he wants to major in...wrapped up "something that pays a lot". Its obvious from his social build up what this money is for.

[Black Cross]

There are plenty of examples of people who do nothing and get rich (i.e. celebrities, trust fund babies, etc.). And, on the other hand, there are plenty of examples of those who do all of the work, and see none of the profits, nor get any of the recognition (i.e. THE WORKING CLASS). Anyone who uses this argument and says we're lazy is just ignorant of the fact that we've been doing all the damn work. If anything, we're sick and tired, not lazy (which, I know, isn't really the case).

And, yes, I always like to throw around that quote from the communist manifesto as well; it sounds nice.

[R_P_A_S]

can someone explain this to me better...

According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness, for those of its member who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything do not work.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 09:35 pm
can someone explain this to me better...

According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness, for those of its member who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything do not work.
Try this article for that question comrade. (http://www.socialistworker.org/2007-1/630/630_08_Laziness.shtml)

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 08:35 pm
can someone explain this to me better...

According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness, for those of its member who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything do not work.
It basically means that the state of things or capitalist society as we know and live under should of crumbled down a long time ago due to the irrationality of labor distribution. By that I mean, the working class that spends hours of their lives laboring never have anything to show for (no property, no wealth, no financial comfort, no capital,...); however, the owners of the means of production who don't work alongside the working class and/or don't labor long hours every day, have alot to show for (capital, property, wealth, financial abundance,...)

That's my take, and Im pretty sure its dead on

[R_P_A_S]

thank you Tekun! thank you Bloody Capitalist Sham! LOL i love that name

[The-Spark]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 05:54 pm
what do YOU guys say to people that claim that those who are either socialist or communist are just lazy and unable to be successful in life. so they use it as an excuse. because they wish life were easy and "fair"
i just put the middle finger up to them :lol:

[gilhyle]

We are intellectually lazy - so scared of revisionism that we have hardly had a new thought for fifty years.

[Luís Henrique]

I tell them to read Paul Lafargue.

Or I tell them the tale of the lazy fisherman.

Luís Henrique

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 27, 2007 10:12 pm
I tell them to read Paul Lafargue.

Or I tell them the tale of the lazy fisherman.

Luís Henrique
who is that..?
and can you tell me the lazy fisherman story?

[Marion]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+July 27, 2007 10:34 pm--> (R_P_A_S @ July 27, 2007 10:34 pm)
Luís [email protected] 27, 2007 10:12 pm
I tell them to read Paul Lafargue.

Or I tell them the tale of the lazy fisherman.

Luís Henrique
who is that..?
and can you tell me the lazy fisherman story? [/b]
Lafargue was Marx's son in law and is best known for writing "The Right to be Lazy"