We Are Royaly Fucked!

[Ultra-Violence]

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/9/5221
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

is it real or am i just too high :o

[Tower of Bebel]

It wouldn't surprise me.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

This is news? You would be surprised at how readily apparently "civilised" countries like the US and the UK institute fascist measures in times of crisis.

[Ultra-Violence]

This is news?

well kinda of yeah i heard about it never seen footage and shit very ww2 like with the trains and all

[Ol' Dirty]

1984. :lol:

[pusher robot]

This is news?

well kinda of yeah i heard about it never seen footage and shit very ww2 like with the trains and all

They're just normal prisons, with criminals and stuff.

[Publius]

well kinda of yeah i heard about it never seen footage and shit very ww2 like with the trains and all

Yeah, imagine having trains at a train station.

:rolleyes:

[Ultra-Violence]

They're just normal prisons, with criminals and stuff.


Yeah, imagine having trains at a train station.


1. thier are no people in these prisons
2.what do u think those trains are for ?

people perhaps?

[freakazoid]

Not only is that a problem but check this out. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=292361

Bush calls for easier wiretap rules
Jul 28 02:17 PM US/Eastern
US President George W. Bush on Saturday called for Congress to revise a US security law in order to ease restrictions on the government's secret communications surveillance of terror suspects.

Amid furor over Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's handling of the government's secret warrantless wiretap program, Bush urged legislators to pass the update of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) proposed in April.

The changes would ease intelligence collection aimed at people plotting attacks on the United States, Bush said in his weekly radio address.

"Today we face sophisticated terrorists who use disposable cell phones and the Internet to communicate with each other, recruit operatives, and plan attacks on our country," he said.

"Technologies like these were not available when FISA was passed nearly 30 years ago, and FISA has not kept up with new technological developments.

"As a result, our nation is hampered in its ability to gain the vital intelligence we need to keep the American people safe."

Bushed urged lawmakers to work in a bipartisan manner to pass the legislation before leaving for August recess, saying: "Our national security depends on it."

Bush made the plea as Gonzales became more mired this week in accusations that the government abused the law to monitor suspect electronic communications to and from the United States without first obtaining warrants from a special secret FISA court.

On Thursday members of Congress called for a perjury investigation of Gonzales for testimony he gave days earlier on the warrantless wiretaps, which were launched when Gonzales was White House Counsel.

The FISA reform proposed by the White House in April would loosen restrictions on tapping into emails, phone calls and other communications inside the country and possibly allow the US to freely tap into international communications routed through the United States.

It will also protect telecommunications companies who cooperate in the effort. Several major companies have been sued for helping with the wiretaps.

But Congress has resisted the reform while demanding more information on the government's electronic spying efforts since 2001, which the White House and Gonzales have insisted were legal, but others say broke the law.

This week Gonzales and FBI director Robert Mueller offered apparently contradictory testimony on a 2004 Justice Department dispute over the program's legality, sparking accusations that Gonzales lied to the legislators about the controversy.

Bush did not address the Gonzales controversy in his address, but on Friday White House spokesman Tony Snow said: "The president supports him and the president supports his performance."

[midnight marauder]

I'd like to take this time to point out that neither Korematsu vs. The United States, nor Hirabayashi vs. United States, two supreme court rulings made during the second world war, have ever been overturned.

Hirabayashi vs. United States established the precedent that during war times it was not unconsitutional to levy a curfew against members of a minority group.

Korematsu vs. the United States, much more wide reaching, reserved the right to detain en mass minorities in interment camps.

Both are still on the books to this day.

see:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getc...vol=320&page=81 (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=320&page=81)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getc...l=323&invol=214 (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=323&invol=214)

[Publius]

Originally posted by Ultra-[email protected] 27, 2007 06:47 pm





1. thier are no people in these prisons

How do you know they're prisons? Because the creep voice over lady said it? Are you that gullible?

Train stations and factories have all kinds of meshed fencing and barbed wire. She even admitted this was an AMTRAK station. Do you think it would be a good idea to let anyone into any part of the facility?



2.what do u think those trains are for ?

people perhaps?

Yeah. Because it's a fucking AMTRAK station. AMTRAK trains carry people. You can even board one TODAY if you buy a ticket. Are you scared yet?

Use your head.

[Idola Mentis]

Despite the strange and curious opinions of our most entertaining reflexive denier, this stuff has been on documentaries all over the world for years. The left yelled and jumped and moaned, and no one listened. The global public watched, cracked one off into the couch, and zapped to the "mr. Bean" reruns.

Current "democracies" regard the foundations upon which they are built as something they can turn on and off, like a switch. While some here may disagree with the following, this belief appears to me to be a fallacy of the same nature as the one committed by the Soviet Union, and communist ideologists in general at the time - the idea that you can suspend the principles necessary to sustain a state while you work to reach that state. A dictatorial process creates a dictatorship. It does that regardless of what you intended to make; a russian worker's paradise or an Iraqi neocon oil-slick dream.

Now go from there and try to work out where we're headed.

[Publius]

Despite the strange and curious opinions of our most entertaining reflexive denier, this stuff has been on documentaries all over the world for years. The left yelled and jumped and moaned, and no one listened. The global public watched, cracked one off into the couch, and zapped to the "mr. Bean" reruns.

Current "democracies" regard the foundations upon which they are built as something they can turn on and off, like a switch. While some here may disagree with the following, this belief appears to me to be a fallacy of the same nature as the one committed by the Soviet Union, and communist ideologists in general at the time - the idea that you can suspend the principles necessary to sustain a state while you work to reach that state. A dictatorial process creates a dictatorship. It does that regardless of what you intended to make; a russian worker's paradise or an Iraqi neocon oil-slick dream.

Now go from there and try to work out where we're headed.

You can cut the sanctimony with a knife. Can you even see me from up there?

If you think that a fence around a train station is evidence that a new Bergen-Belsen is opening up, you've got problems.

[freakazoid]

If you think that a fence around a train station is evidence that a new Bergen-Belsen is opening up, you've got problems.

Ever heard of places like Guantanamo? Guantanamo, Americas Australia.
Also take a look at some of the things that the CIA had been doing,


CIA opens the book on a shady past
Declassified ‘family jewels’ detail assassination plots, break-ins, wiretaps
MSNBC video


RFK Jr. rebuts CIA report
June 22: The CIA released papers that suggest Robert Kennedy directed efforts to assassinate Fidel Castro. Chris Matthews talks with Robert Kennedy Jr., who strongly denies the report.

By Alex Johnson
Reporter
MSNBC
Updated: 44 minutes ago
The CIA declassified nearly 700 pages of secret records Tuesday recording its illegal activities during the first decades of the Cold War, publishing a catalog of adventures that run the gamut of spy movie clichés from attempts to kill foreign leaders and intercept domestic mail to garden-variety break-ins and burglaries.

“Most of it is unflattering, but it is CIA’s history,” the CIA’s director, Gen. Michael Hayden, said last week in announcing plans to release the documents, which had been considered so sensitive that they were known internally as the agency’s “family jewels.”

Much of the material had previously entered the public record through nearly 30 years of requests by academics, authors and journalists under the Freedom of Information Act. But publication of the materials Tuesday by the CIA itself marked a major step in the agency’s public acknowledgement of its sometimes sordid history.

The documents were compiled beginning in 1973 at the order of then-CIA Director James Schlesinger, who wanted to be prepared for congressional investigations he expected in the wake of disclosures that arose during the Watergate scandal. Schlesinger’s successor, William Colby, was outraged at much of the material, which he collected in a report to President Gerald Ford in 1975.

Assassination plots, break-ins and a possible kidnapping
Among the disclosures, gleaned from a six-page summary prepared in January 1975 by Associate Deputy Attorney General James Wilderotter and an initial review of documents by NBC News and MSNBC.com, are that the CIA confined a Soviet defector, Yuri Nosenko, in a safe house from April 1964 to September 1967, fearing he might be a plant.

Nosenko, deputy chief of the Seventh Department of the KGB, was responsible for recruiting foreign spies. He claimed to have been the KGB handler of the case of Lee Harvey Oswald, who he said was rejected as not intelligent enough to work as a KGB agent.

Nosenko was eventually released and was given a false identity. He became an adviser to the CIA and the FBI for $35,000 a year and a lump sum $150,000 payment for his ordeal.

The papers indicate that the CIA regularly confined defectors for interrogation, but only outside the United States, and the agency was concerned that the detention of the Soviet defector might violate kidnapping laws. “The possibility exists that the press could cause undesirable publicity if it were to uncover the story,” David H. Blee, chief of the Soviet Bloc Division, wrote in a memo.

The papers reveal some new details about the CIA’s plots to assassinate foreign leaders. Among them were Cuban President Fidel Castro; Patrice Lumumba, the democratically elected president of the Democratic Republic of the Congo; and Rafael Trujillo, the Dominican dictator.

The papers report that Robert F. Kennedy, attorney general for his brother, President John Kennedy, was involved in planning the operation against Castro, an allegation that his son, Robert Kennedy Jr., denied strongly this week in an interview on MSNBC’s “Hardball.”

Americans’ communications intercepted
The CIA also routinely intercepted international mail and telephone calls of U.S. citizens.

For 20 years beginning in 1953, the CIA screened and opened mail to and from the Soviet Union that passed through John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. The operation was approved by three successive postmasters general, the documents indicate.

Likewise, for three years beginning in 1969, the CIA similarly opened mail to and from China that passed through San Francisco.

And the agency intercepted radio telephone calls involving U.S. citizens and foreign nationals to and from South America “for drug-related matters” involving the federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

General Counsel Lawrence R. Houston, asked for his ruling on the legality of the operation, replied on Jan. 29, 1973, that since the reports were going to the BNDD, they were for law enforcement purposes, which the CIA was barred from. Accordingly, the intercepts were illegal, he concluded.

CIA opens the book on a shady past

Other disclosures:

The CIA conducted surveillance on numerous journalists, including Brit Hume, now an anchor for Fox News. Hume was working for investigative columnist Jack Anderson when he, Anderson and other Anderson associates were put under surveillance in 1972 after Anderson published a column, considered inside the agency as highly damaging, reporting that the CIA was “tilting” toward Pakistan in its Middle East operations.
Another journalist who was placed under surveillance was Michael Getler, then the intelligence reporter for The Washington Post. There was no indication that the CIA conducted any illegal wiretaps or other unlawful operations against Getler.

From 1963 to 1973, the CIA authorized and funded “behavioral modification” research on Americans without their consent. The research primarily involved observation of their reactions in public, but some of it involved reactions to undisclosed drugs, the documents report.
In fiscal 1971 and 1972, “Agency funds were made available to the FBI.” No further details are given on what this account was for.

Mob boss worries over girlfriend
The papers also include some disclosures that can only be described as odd, NBC’s Robert Windrem reported.

The Mafia was also involved in the plot to assassinate Castro, the papers reveal, and Sam Giancana, boss of the Chicago mob, once used that connection to seek a personal favor.

According to the documents, Giancana asked Robert Maheu, his contact with the CIA, for help in bugging his girlfriend, Phyllis McGuire, a member of the McGuire Sisters, a popular singing group.

Giancana wanted to know whether McGuire was having an affair with Dan Rowan, half of the Rowan & Martin comedy team. But the CIA technician was caught, and the Justice Department had to get involved at the highest levels — Kennedy, the attorney general — to block prosecution.

Some in the agency were also exasperated by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who made frequent demands on the CIA, the papers reveal. One memo, dated May 7, 1973, complains about the “inordinate amount of time” and “fairly sizeable amount of money that has been expended in support of these measures.”

The 693 pages of CIA disclosures were turned over in 1975 to three investigative panels — special House and Senate committees and a commission headed by then-Vice President Nelson Rockefeller. Much of the material has since seen the light of day, but Tuesday marked the first time the CIA had publicized and taken formal public responsibility for activities.

In his address last week, to a conference of historians, Hayden acknowledged that the papers “provide a glimpse of a very different time and a very different agency.”

You can find the link to it here, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?...uments+released (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=285125&highlight=CIA+documents+released) You can also read what some of the people found in it.


You can cut the sanctimony with a knife. Can you even see me from up there?

Are you saying that we are in fact not in danger from our government?

[Idola Mentis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 05:50 pm
You can cut the sanctimony with a knife. Can you even see me from up there?

If you think that a fence around a train station is evidence that a new Bergen-Belsen is opening up, you've got problems.
Sanctimony? You mean I'm being hypocritical about religious matters, or acting as if I'm better than you? How is this remark relevant to our discussion? Sorry about the nitpicking - I'm a non-native english speaker. When my dictionary fails me, I'm lost.

I do find it entertaining when one poster dangles a tissue-thin piece of evidence, and another immediately leaps to repeatedly deny any and all claims in a rather apoplectic tone - without even bothering to present as much.

But did you really not know that most governments in the world have no qualms about committing mass internment of civilians whenever they decide it's needed, and are prepared to do so at short notice without any kind of due process? That your "rigths" can be revoked whenever your keepers find it convenient? It's being done right now, by numerous governments. It's a popular solution. The particular pictures in question seems to be part of some sort of weird conspiracy theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy)). The sad facts, however, are in the regular newsagencies with nauseating frequency.

http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/

[Ultra-Violence]

How do you know they're prisons? Because the creep voice over lady said it? Are you that gullible?

Train stations and factories have all kinds of meshed fencing and barbed wire. She even admitted this was an AMTRAK station. Do you think it would be a good idea to let anyone into any part of the facility?


yeah and thats why their was a fucking helicopter flying above a fucking train station?




Yeah. Because it's a fucking AMTRAK station. AMTRAK trains carry people. You can even board one TODAY if you buy a ticket. Are you scared yet?

Use your head.

key word USE TO BE A TRAIN STATION! do you see shit like that at every train station look at the vid on more tim and tell me


oh and and to respond to about the cellphone taping the y can listne to your conversation while the phone is just on! you dont even have to be talking just have it in your pocket!

[pusher robot]

How do you know they're prisons? Because the creep voice over lady said it? Are you that gullible?

Train stations and factories have all kinds of meshed fencing and barbed wire. She even admitted this was an AMTRAK station. Do you think it would be a good idea to let anyone into any part of the facility?


yeah and thats why their was a fucking helicopter flying above a fucking train station?

Because, what, helicopters are never seen except around sinister paranoid government plots?

I mean, what do YOU think it was there for? They have this super-secret internment facility that anyone can videotape that looks like a train station but is apparently abandoned and what, they just keep a helicopter in the air 24 hours a day to keep tabs on a non-operational facility? One that they could simply post guards or video cameras in?

If you want MY opinion, which I'm sure you do NOT, it is a maintenance facility for government rolling stock, probably little used any more.

[TC]

Pusher Robot, this isn't like some secret conspiracy, its a matter of public policy. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept an "ADEX list" of people to round up in the event of a crisis, openly.

[Publius]

Pusher Robot, this isn't like some secret conspiracy, its a matter of public policy. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept an "ADEX list" of people to round up in the event of a crisis, openly.

And so because the FBI kept a list of people in the 60s, a train station in Indianapolis is the new Auschwitz?

That's the logic being employed here. If you have proof that there's something sinister going on, provide it, I'll listen. But that video is just laughable. Like how it talks about how the barbed wire "faces inward" to keep people in, but then clearly shows barbed wire facing outward. It's a joke. How did these people even get into this facility? How are they still alive?

[Genosse Kotze]

It was a bit of a creepy video--although I really could have done without the silly music, especially when the lady was describing the thing which may be a crematorium (since they had to over dramatize there with the music, I didn't hear the description all that well). But yeah, good thing I'm getting the fuck out of Dodge before the shit really hits the fan. Have fun with your holocaust America, cuz I'm outa here!

[Publius]

It was a bit of a creepy video--although I really could have done without the silly music, especially when the lady was describing the thing which may be a crematorium (since they had to over dramatize there with the music, I didn't hear the description all that well). But yeah, good thing I'm getting the fuck out of Dodge before the shit really hits the fan. Have fun with your holocaust America, cuz I'm outa here!

Trust me, if America starts turning Nazi I'll be out by Kristalnacht.

[Dean]

The music was a couple of my favorite Pink Floyd songs... "One of These Days" and "Welcome to the Machine." Despite the melodramatic nature of the music, it was cool to listen to.

If the two parts of the clip (the prison-like imagery and the Amtrak facility) are from the same place (which incidentally was a town that started off as a company town around WWII) it is indeed frightening. If this is a contiguous facility with a train station / train repair portion on one side and what is clearly a prison facility on the other, the intent of the facility is probably just as was described - a prison for mass, sudden containment of certain people.

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 02:09 am
The music was a couple of my favorite Pink Floyd songs... "One of These Days" and "Welcome to the Machine." Despite the melodramatic nature of the music, it was cool to listen to.

If the two parts of the clip (the prison-like imagery and the Amtrak facility) are from the same place (which incidentally was a town that started off as a company town around WWII) it is indeed frightening. If this is a contiguous facility with a train station / train repair portion on one side and what is clearly a prison facility on the other, the intent of the facility is probably just as was described - a prison for mass, sudden containment of certain people.
I didn't see any prisons in that video.

[Iron]

Originally posted by pusher robot+August 01, 2007 01:11 pm--> (pusher robot @ August 01, 2007 01:11 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2007 02:09 am
The music was a couple of my favorite Pink Floyd songs... "One of These Days" and "Welcome to the Machine." Despite the melodramatic nature of the music, it was cool to listen to.

If the two parts of the clip (the prison-like imagery and the Amtrak facility) are from the same place (which incidentally was a town that started off as a company town around WWII) it is indeed frightening. If this is a contiguous facility with a train station / train repair portion on one side and what is clearly a prison facility on the other, the intent of the facility is probably just as was described - a prison for mass, sudden containment of certain people.
I didn't see any prisons in that video. [/b]
i didn't either... though this video does raise some questions to what all those fences and barb wire are for

[RNK]

Hmm... "Night Train 84"... "Nineteen Eighty-Four"... I wonder if some General up in the Pentagon got a little overzealous while naming these operations?

[Publius]

Hmm... "Night Train 84"... "Nineteen Eighty-Four"... I wonder if some General up in the Pentagon got a little overzealous while naming these operations?

Or maybe he's a just a fan of throwback football players.

And nobody will even get my joke.