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Tower of Bebel
26th July 2007, 20:05
Hi,

I recently made a search for information on industry, agriculture and trade of 17th and 18th century Europe and I think I have all the info I need to make a good picture of Europe's economy during the last centuries of the 'Ancient Regime'.

I already have enough info on tsarist Russia's economy during the 19th and 20th century, and I finally want to have a 'picture' of the USSR's economy. To be more precise: agriculture, industry and trade. For example: decay during the civil war, progress (?) during the NEP, the five-year plans, Word War Two, The Cold war and of course Grobatchev (and Yeltsin afterwards).

All information is welcome :) .

[EDIT: removed sentence]

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th July 2007, 01:53
Are you looking for hard stats, or will you also accept articles that contain statistics?

ComradeRed
27th July 2007, 02:31
You will want to look for economic history ("cliometric") books on the subject, let me run a quick google search for some stuff:

18th Century History Links (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/18th/history.html)

Civilization and Capitalism, 15th-18th Century by F Braudel (1992).

The Industrial Revolution: Past and Future (http://www.cepchile.cl/dms/archivo_1349_236/rev64_lucasing.pdf) (pdf)

The Rise of the European Economy: An Economic History of Continental Europe from the Fifteenth to the Eighteenth Century (http://www.questia.com/library/book/the-rise-of-the-european-economy-an-economic-history-of-continental-europe-from-the-fifteenth-to-the-eighteenth-century-by-hermann-kellenbenz-gerhard-benecke.jsp)

Organizational Capabilities and the Economic History of the Industrial Enterprise (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0895-3309(199222)6%3A3%3C79%3AOCATEH%3E2.0.CO%3B2-X) by Alfred D. Chandler

The Unbound Prometheus: Technological Change and Industrial Development in Western Europe from 1750 to the Present (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=qqDWGXjhZIYC&oi=fnd&pg=RA1-PR10&dq=18th+century+europe+economic+history&ots=tLDNi1dweP&sig=7sH2YG3MI5fdkmg1cnrrqCBDS4E#PPP1,M1)

European Economic Development: The Contribution of the Periphery (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0013-0117(198202)2%3A35%3A1%3C1%3AEEDTCO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W)

Among a large number of books available at your local library...

Tower of Bebel
27th July 2007, 10:38
You will want to look for economic history ("cliometric") books on the subject, let me run a quick google search for some stuff:

18th Century History Links (http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/18th/history.html)

Civilization and Capitalism, 15th-18th Century by F Braudel (1992).

The Industrial Revolution: Past and Future (http://www.cepchile.cl/dms/archivo_1349_236/rev64_lucasing.pdf) (pdf)

The Rise of the European Economy: An Economic History of Continental Europe from the Fifteenth to the Eighteenth Century (http://www.questia.com/library/book/the-rise-of-the-european-economy-an-economic-history-of-continental-europe-from-the-fifteenth-to-the-eighteenth-century-by-hermann-kellenbenz-gerhard-benecke.jsp)

Organizational Capabilities and the Economic History of the Industrial Enterprise (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0895-3309(199222)6%3A3%3C79%3AOCATEH%3E2.0.CO%3B2-X) by Alfred D. Chandler

The Unbound Prometheus: Technological Change and Industrial Development in Western Europe from 1750 to the Present (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=qqDWGXjhZIYC&oi=fnd&pg=RA1-PR10&dq=18th+century+europe+economic+history&ots=tLDNi1dweP&sig=7sH2YG3MI5fdkmg1cnrrqCBDS4E#PPP1,M1)

European Economic Development: The Contribution of the Periphery (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0013-0117(198202)2%3A35%3A1%3C1%3AEEDTCO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W)

Among a large number of books available at your local library...

Thanks for the info CR. But I have already sufficient info on economic during these last centuries ;) . But I think I'll read some the links you provided to see if there's something important to be found.


Originally posted by Compań[email protected] 27, 2007 01:53 am
Are you looking for hard stats, or will you also accept articles that contain statistics?
Mostly articles. Statics are also good, but I'm not such an intellectual. I cannot make the right conclusions from statics yet.

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th July 2007, 13:08
I have a lot of things.. let me dig them up for you. I'll post on this soon.

ComradeRed
27th July 2007, 16:53
Originally posted by Raccoon+July 27, 2007 01:38 am--> (Raccoon @ July 27, 2007 01:38 am)
Compań[email protected] 27, 2007 01:53 am
Are you looking for hard stats, or will you also accept articles that contain statistics?
Mostly articles. Statics are also good, but I'm not such an intellectual. I cannot make the right conclusions from statics yet. [/b]
Well...

1) It's statistics, not statics!

2) Try searching JSTOR, they have a boat load of social science crap if you can get access to it. If you can get a list of articles you'd like to get from JSTOR, I can help you... ;)

[edit]: Darg, you're looking for information on the economic history of Russia from about 1900 to 1940-ish?

Try looking at An Economic History of Twentieth-Century Europe by Ivan T. Berend. It contains a number of interesting statistics on how industrialized Russia was prior to the revolution, and a number of references to more places to look.

Tower of Bebel
27th July 2007, 23:50
Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 04:53 pm
1) It's statistics, not statics!

2) Try searching JSTOR, they have a boat load of social science crap if you can get access to it. If you can get a list of articles you'd like to get from JSTOR, I can help you... ;)

[edit]: Darg, you're looking for information on the economic history of Russia from about 1900 to 1940-ish?

Try looking at An Economic History of Twentieth-Century Europe by Ivan T. Berend. It contains a number of interesting statistics on how industrialized Russia was prior to the revolution, and a number of references to more places to look.
Thanks for the effort ComradeRed and CDL. But you don't have to search to much because some good books can tell a lot and of course I haven't ordered you.
I'm currently studying and don't have enough time to really surch in the university library. I found some articles on the internet but I search for more.

CR, I know it's statistics, it's almost the same in Dutch. But the fact that I'm not that good at English makes me really bad at spelling. Even if it's almost a direct translation.

Isn't JSTOR restricted to certain users (uni students in the US, etc.)?

ComradeRed
28th July 2007, 00:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 02:50 pm
Isn't JSTOR restricted to certain users (uni students in the US, etc.)?
Beats me, but I have access to it! So if you want an article, I can get it for you...free...no strings attached...

ComradeOm
28th July 2007, 19:41
I've recently become interested in the workings of the USSR's planned economy (see this thread (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=69048)) albeit from a largely technical point of view. That is I'm interested in the operations research side of things - how the plans were compiled, the linear programming tools developed, etc etc. The link above gives a good overview of the economy plus some particular authors that deal with the "nuts and bolts" of the system.

I'm currently reading Ellman's "Socialist Planning" and so far its been a pretty good introduction to this planned economy and its workings.

Tower of Bebel
28th July 2007, 20:22
Thanx ComradeOm.