United-Europe?? - what should happen then?

[smoer]

WHat if in about 10 year Europe is united??
then there would be revolution all over europe i think.
it has already begon:the € and nect year there will be european licenplates .ANd then wxhat will wbe the next step???
It really gives me the creep
europe=amerika=imperialism=capitalism==>world is doomed!
thank god there are country's who wouldnt wont that like Swiss.
But belgium will if there are no socialists on power by then now the power is runned by economics.
so please All people form belguim vote on the socialists.
What youre oppinion on a united Europe?

[redstar2000]

Well,smoer, I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

Yes, the EU will attempt to engage in imperialist rivalry with the U.S., but I don't expect them to be successful at it...leading to stagnation and depression.

But, of course, this is speculation on my part.

:cool:

[smoer]

NO it wont be succesfull at all
bTw are you an admin.??
wel then i must say something:srry for to much treads
and to every moderator sorry for too much treads

[革命者]

Yeah!-- Bomb Brussel!!

...

:cool:

[革命者]

btw, smoer.. where is kasterlee anyway(that rhymes!!!)??

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 2:09 pm on April 27, 2003
Well,smoer, I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

Yes, the EU will attempt to engage in imperialist rivalry with the U.S., but I don't expect them to be successful at it...leading to stagnation and depression.

But, of course, this is speculation on my part.

:cool:


I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

FRANCE are you insane?

They are more right wing than most other european nations. I would expect one of the scandinavian countrys to be the only european countrys to have a communist revolution vfor a very long time. I would say France is more in line for a Nazi revolution.

[soul83]

Smoer don't worry hehe It will start in Malta because I will start it... the UK will follow !!! The British are 90% anti-EU !!!
One Europe ?? No way I won't take it !! I will fight for sovereignty and against globalisation until my death !!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from AK47 on 2:31 pm on April 29, 2003

Quote: from redstar2000 on 2:09 pm on April 27, 2003
Well,smoer, I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

Yes, the EU will attempt to engage in imperialist rivalry with the U.S., but I don't expect them to be successful at it...leading to stagnation and depression.

But, of course, this is speculation on my part.

:cool:


I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

FRANCE are you insane?

They are more right wing than most other european nations. I would expect one of the scandinavian countrys to be the only european countrys to have a communist revolution vfor a very long time. I would say France is more in line for a Nazi revolution.


You crazy, it will be neither France nor Scandinavian country's.

You know why, because their citizens are relative pleased.

France is pretty right-winged and nationalistic.

Scandinivian citizens are very pleased with their lives and I can't see any reason why they would stand up against their own beloved government.

No, I expect on of the Eastern European country's to start a revolution.

It has all elements, poor depressed citizens, who all remember their better times under the communist rule and many of them are eagered to get back at communism and also very important a government which enslaves itself more and more for the-there-much-hated-US-Imperialism.

This will cause a revolution.

(Edited by CCCP at 5:50 pm on April 29, 2003)

[Comrade Daniel]

I thought most of the Eastern-europe countries still is a place where a lot of commies live. They at least or more popular than the NCPN (cummunist party) here in Holland which isn't very popular I mean like it or not most people in right-wing cheese-headed Netherlands won't vote for the SP (SocialistParty) nor the NCPN, they'd rather vote for a so called labour party or a chirstian harry potter looking fool.

[LOIC]

I would say France is more in line for a Nazi revolution.

Fortunately, you are wrong.
I don't know why you think that france could become a nazi country but I can tell you that even a shitty country like france will not turn into nazi dictatorship.
Fascists in france hide their opinions. They don't have the balls to say what they think loud. So I don't think that they could take the power through a revolution because a revolution needs courageous men.
Moreover fascists and racists have too much enemies to take the power.


(Edited by LOIC at 10:13 pm on April 29, 2003)

[redstar2000]

"FRANCE are you insane?" -- AK47.

Recall that I said I was speculating.

France has the best "track record" for revolutionary upheavals in the world. Whether successful or unsuccessful, the French working class has more than a century of revolutionary tradition to reinforce whatever new outrages originate from the capitalist class.

It is certainly possible that communist revolution may originate elsewhere -- Germany and Italy are two obvious possibilities. Greece and Spain certainly cannot be ruled out. I would agree the Scandinavian countries would lag behind; nor do I have much confidence in the Eastern European countries, as they have become quite conservative and even reactionary in the last decade.

So, since France has led the way in the past, my bet is on France to do it again. As an old gambler put it: "The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong...but that's the way to bet."

:cool:

PS: I understand the source of your anti-French views, AK47. You will never forgive them for failing to endorse your "splendid little war."

[Nick Yves]

Of all this talk of Communist revolution, what about south american countries? Just a thought...

[Dirty Commie]

In Europe, likely Irleand, but not a true revolution, but a economic/political turnaround.

In South America, likely Venezuela and Argentina, given their economic situation.

[WhoWillFight]

I can't see Revolution here in Ireland for a long time. Alot of people still think the best future is in anther economic boom, even though as we know only the rich will prosper with the working class chained in with 'partnership' deals while the management give themselves massive rises and bonuses.
More education is needed in Ireland before any move is made- true there are some who would embrace a Revolution here but the masses woulud not-yet.
Thats my opinion anyway

[革命者]

Quote: from AK47 on 3:31 pm on April 29, 2003

Quote: from redstar2000 on 2:09 pm on April 27, 2003
Well,smoer, I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

Yes, the EU will attempt to engage in imperialist rivalry with the U.S., but I don't expect them to be successful at it...leading to stagnation and depression.

But, of course, this is speculation on my part.

:cool:


I frankly expect the next communist revolution to take place in the EU, probably beginning in France.

FRANCE are you insane?

They are more right wing than most other european nations. I would expect one of the scandinavian countrys to be the only european countrys to have a communist revolution vfor a very long time. I would say France is more in line for a Nazi revolution.
what's that for WWI propaganda ;)

[革命者]

Quote: from Comrade Daniel on 7:17 pm on April 29, 2003
I thought most of the Eastern-europe countries still is a place where a lot of commies live. They at least or more popular than the NCPN (cummunist party) here in Holland which isn't very popular I mean like it or not most people in right-wing cheese-headed Netherlands won't vote for the SP (SocialistParty) nor the NCPN, they'd rather vote for a so called labour party or a chirstian harry potter looking fool.
pessimist!

[革命者]

Quote: from LOIC on 11:11 pm on April 29, 2003
I would say France is more in line for a Nazi revolution.

Fortunately, you are wrong.
I don't know why you think that france could become a nazi country but I can tell you that even a shitty country like france will not turn into nazi dictatorship.
Fascists in france hide their opinions. They don't have the balls to say what they think loud. So I don't think that they could take the power through a revolution because a revolution needs courageous men.
Moreover fascists and racists have too much enemies to take the power.


(Edited by LOIC at 10:13 pm on April 29, 2003)
the french are quite outspoken and therefore they will "fall" to a communist revolution, imo.


Quote: from redstar2000 on 6:24 am on April 30, 2003
"FRANCE are you insane?" -- AK47.

Recall that I said I was speculating.

France has the best "track record" for revolutionary upheavals in the world. Whether successful or unsuccessful, the French working class has more than a century of revolutionary tradition to reinforce whatever new outrages originate from the capitalist class.
i agree.

(Edited by Scotty at 3:00 pm on May 1, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 5:24 am on April 30, 2003
"FRANCE are you insane?" -- AK47.

Recall that I said I was speculating.

France has the best "track record" for revolutionary upheavals in the world. Whether successful or unsuccessful, the French working class has more than a century of revolutionary tradition to reinforce whatever new outrages originate from the capitalist class.

It is certainly possible that communist revolution may originate elsewhere -- Germany and Italy are two obvious possibilities. Greece and Spain certainly cannot be ruled out. I would agree the Scandinavian countries would lag behind; nor do I have much confidence in the Eastern European countries, as they have become quite conservative and even reactionary in the last decade.

So, since France has led the way in the past, my bet is on France to do it again. As an old gambler put it: "The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong...but that's the way to bet."

:cool:

PS: I understand the source of your anti-French views, AK47. You will never forgive them for failing to endorse your "splendid little war."


I dont have anti france views. I was simply saying the truth, they are one of the most reactionary group of conservatives in europe. Only recently in there last general election, a member of there far right party came second in the vote for a prime minister.

I said scandinavian countrys as they are the most left wing and liberal european countrys in general. However CCCP made an excelent point, which i agree with.

LOIC i said more in line, i never said they would, infact i think it is highly unlikley, however as i pointed out above they nearly voted in a fascist.

RS2000 yes the French have had a great track record of having revolutions. bourgeoisie Revolutions/monachist.

1789, bourgeoisie revolution
1814, First Bourbon Restoration (monachy)
1815, Despotic ruler returns and imidiatly is given power,
1815, Second Bourbon restoration,
1830, another bourgeoisie revolution,
1848, ohh wow another bourgeoisie revolution.

60 years of Bourgeoisie, despotic and monachistic revolutions. What a great track record for a leftist revolution... I think not.

[Comrade H]

I don't believe it is necessary for a revolution to occur in any European country, as long as Europe unites, and becomes an opposer of U$ Imperialism. Globabl socialism will never be achieved as long as the U$ remains a power. And without an United Europe there will be no one to credibly challange this power. If the European government turns out to be a socialist one, all well and good - we can get on with ourlives, and let the U$ wither into nothign as more and more countries join the cuase. If the United Europe government turns out to be more right-wing, then we must accept that World War 3 is inevitbale, and start making preparations for a global revolution that will only be possible once the war has been fought. - Unitl the victory, always.

[Eastside Revolt]

All lefists from all countries should immigrate to eurpe now.

[Saint-Just]

A Federal Europe or not seems irrelevant at the moment. Some great changes will have to take place for there to be any socialist revolution in Europe, and who knows what effect a Federal Europe would have on any revolution. The EU will not oppose the U.S. unless it becomes anti-imperialist, this looks very unlikely.