I just realized something. and I want to apologize

[R_P_A_S]

Recently I find my self being VERY critical with some of the tactics some of these guerrilla groups use. and also whether their methods and ideology is a socialist one.

And if it represents the interest of the people or if it's just an isolated delusional movement that has lost it's politics and goals.

Lets face it we've had and have many groups that probably have abandon their revolutionary socialist politics. either because of the external circumstances and what it has diverted them to do. or backwards leader ship and power struggles within. Things like that and many others can really complicate, change and divert a guerrilla in their revolutionary movement.

I understand this NOW. more than ever. But what I just realized is the grounds some of us use to criticize these groups methods and actions.

Why is it that some of us as socialist or communist (whatever) can be so critical as if there's a hand written manual on the adequate ways to imply pressure on the government or how to fight a guerrilla and a revolution "the right way"

It's like, left wing movements weather is a guerrilla, a rally or a protest they get no fucking slack AT ALL. they have to be:
perfect
non violent and "make sense" other wise they are quickly denounce.

They are attacked and condemn. more so by the media and the bourgeoisie state.
kidnapping, extortions, drug trafficking, maybe even terrorism, sometimes civilian casualties.
surprise attacks and ambushes. are all looked at wrong and as acts of terror and they are sold like that to the proletariat. and ultimately it hurts the movement and its credibility as a legit "peoples army" is damaged.

why do we have to be exceptional in our tactics?
why are we expected to perform them PERFECT?
why do people act (including my self) like shit is supposed to go 'swiftly'
why does the big pressure and enormous responsibility falls so much harder on us?


what about the methods the fucking government has been using for centuries?

-are they fucking perfect HELL NO!
-do they represent the people? HELL NO!
-do they commit crimes and cause civilian causalities? YES!
-and their methods sure as hell are NOT democratic nor go "swiftly"

SO ON WHAT FUCKING GROUNDS DO THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE REVOLUTIONARY GUERRILLAS AND LEFT WING PROTEST AND MOVEMENTS???

[hajduk]

R P A S you see those people who made a critic about guerrilla methods actualy pointing on us becouse they use politic to provide own interests and in that matter they must find someone to blame and we are the ezzy prey for them becouse they got money and the power and we dont so

WE GOT A TAKE IT POWER BACK

[TheTickTockMan]

Wow, R_P_A_S, a lot of anger.

Well, we're held to a higher standard because we're in the minority. We're small and weak, and discredited -- the rogues, the badboys and girls, from the wrong side of the track and the bad part of town, carrying a big, mean old monkey on our shoulders from crazy loonies like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin. The capitalists are in power now, and they hold sway over the masses, and it's up to us to prove ourselves worthy.

We're the new guys on the block, and nobody likes newbies.

Best we can do is try to set that standard even higher than they do. When they hit us, we need to smile and say we love them, and ask for more.

@~TTTM

[R_P_A_S]

how are we the new kids? we arent the new.

[RNK]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 05:17 am
Wow, R_P_A_S, a lot of anger.

Well, we're held to a higher standard because we're in the minority. We're small and weak, and discredited -- the rogues, the badboys and girls, from the wrong side of the track and the bad part of town, carrying a big, mean old monkey on our shoulders from crazy loonies like Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin. The capitalists are in power now, and they hold sway over the masses, and it's up to us to prove ourselves worthy.

We're the new guys on the block, and nobody likes newbies.

Best we can do is try to set that standard even higher than they do. When they hit us, we need to smile and say we love them, and ask for more.

@~TTTM
IIRC that's called "reformism".

Welcome to RevLeft.

[Clarksist]

Why is it that some of us as socialist or communist (whatever) can be so critical as if there's a hand written manual on the adequate ways to imply pressure on the government or how to fight a guerrilla and a revolution "the right way"

There isn't one. However, we can still critique, I mean as a leftist, I feel it is my duty to call anybody on their bullshit. Whether than means Nepalese Maoists, Stalinist Russia, or the Bush administration. The goal is to look at things scientifically, or at least as objective as you can... and decide if what is going on should be.

When a group takes on an ideology and then perverts it, especially when its one near and dear, I take offense.


SO ON WHAT FUCKING GROUNDS DO THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE REVOLUTIONARY GUERRILLAS AND LEFT WING PROTEST AND MOVEMENTS???

The bourgeoisie has none. However, as lefties, we must call revolutionaries on their bullshit. You can't justify revolutionaries and their shortcomings by saying that its the same thing the bourgeoisie is doing. The idea, is that what the bourgeoisie is doing is terrible, so why would we want anything to do with those tactics at all?