How Can I Contact: EZLN , FARC , etc. to help them

[CGDR]

I would like to know how I could contact the different revolutionary groups operating in Latin America today..., I've been looking into the groups on youtube.., and find that EZLN ( Los Zapatistas ) are the one I most closely relate to.... I also looked at the FARC, but find that they are in a more radical stage and can't quite understand how they justify their fight or what is the problem there... but I know that for some reason Colombia's president is obtaining help from the u.s. , and whenever that happens something fishy is behind it all....

Also' my whole Ideology is to help Latin America free themselves from the emperialism of the u.s. , and achieve a socialist type goverment where all Latin American countries unify and have a currency of their own in the future.... (like the European Union), and again without the secrecy and/or the dirty governments of the world having any relations with us....
Also establish governments in each of our Latin countries that have real freedoms.., and a sense of progress and work ethic or love for the land is ensued in the population...

So a group that has their ideology close to mines' would be the right one,
for me to help.... ANY IDEAS OR ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS....... :ph34r:

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

there was a guy here who was going out to work for them a while back, run a search on revleft for the thread

EDIT: EZLN that is, i would stay away from FARC

[Luís Henrique]

Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique

[Bilan]

Luis speaks the truth on this one.

But anyway, I'm pretty sure there's a website (like...www.ezln.org or something) that has info on it. Not 100% though.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 20, 2007 07:13 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 20, 2007 07:13 pm)
Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che [/b]
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by g.ram+July 20, 2007 01:47 pm--> (g.ram @ July 20, 2007 01:47 pm)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:13 pm

Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live. [/b]
Che was Argentine yet he travelled to Cuba and Angola to assist with their revolutions first.

[midnight marauder]

you might be able to find some information by contacting the comrades at the mexican solidarity network:

http://www.mexicosolidarity.org/site/

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 20, 2007 07:22 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 20, 2007 07:22 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:47 pm

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:13 pm

Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live.
Che was Argentine yet he travelled to Cuba and Angola to assist with their revolutions first. [/b]
What is your point ?

Unfortunately not every body can be Che. Not every one can afford to travel abroad to participate revolution in other countries.

And Che's expedition to Congo and Bolivia failed primarily because there is not enough local co-operation and they were not Knowledgeable enough to carry out on their own.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by g.ram+July 20, 2007 01:55 pm--> (g.ram @ July 20, 2007 01:55 pm)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:22 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:47 pm

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:13 pm

Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live.
Che was Argentine yet he travelled to Cuba and Angola to assist with their revolutions first.
What is your point ?

Unfortunately not every body can be Che. Not every one can afford to travel abroad to participate revolution in other countries.

And Che's expedition to Congo and Bolivia failed primarily because there is not enough local co-operation and they were not Knowledgeable enough to carry out on their own. [/b]
My point is it seems that you think everyone should put an onus on revolution in their own country first. Che obviously didnt believe that was important, so If he has the means to go to Colombia to join FARC guerillas then I say fair play to him, I dont think anyone on this forum should dissuade him

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by g.ram+July 20, 2007 01:47 pm--> (g.ram @ July 20, 2007 01:47 pm)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:13 pm

Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live. [/b]
Well, that is half of my point. The other half is, why would EZLN or FARC, or whatever other organisation, be interested in someone who has no experience of activism?

Luís Henrique

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+July 20, 2007 02:16 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ July 20, 2007 02:16 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:47 pm

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:13 pm

Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live.
Well, that is half of my point. The other half is, why would EZLN or FARC, or whatever other organisation, be interested in someone who has no experience of activism?

Luís Henrique [/b]
The working class by in large have no 'experience of activism' but without their participation there can be no revolution.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 02:22 pm
The working class by in large have no 'experience of activism' but without their participation there can be no revolution.
But we are not discussing the working class in general, we are discussing CGDR.

If I was a member of FARC or EZLN directive bodies, and someone asked me how they could help, I would ask back, "what do you know how to do? Have you been active in an union, in the students movement, or some other social movement?"

Luís Henrique

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+July 20, 2007 02:40 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ July 20, 2007 02:40 pm)
Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 02:22 pm
The working class by in large have no 'experience of activism' but without their participation there can be no revolution.
But we are not discussing the working class in general, we are discussing CGDR.

If I was a member of FARC or EZLN directive bodies, and someone asked me how they could help, I would ask back, "what do you know how to do? Have you been active in an union, in the students movement, or some other social movement?"

Luís Henrique [/b]
with that attitude, its no wonder left influence isnt growing.

I mean, everyone has to start from somewhere.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 02:44 pm
I mean, everyone has to start from somewhere.
And the Dominican Republic is as good a place as anywhere else.

Luís Henrique

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+July 20, 2007 02:49 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ July 20, 2007 02:49 pm)
Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 02:44 pm
I mean, everyone has to start from somewhere.
And the Dominican Republic is as good a place as anywhere else.

Luís Henrique [/b]
i didnt mean geographically i meant in terms of joining a group.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 20, 2007 02:51 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 20, 2007 02:51 pm)
Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 02:49 pm

Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 02:44 pm
I mean, everyone has to start from somewhere.
And the Dominican Republic is as good a place as anywhere else.

Luís Henrique
i didnt mean geographically i meant in terms of joining a group. [/b]
I am sure there are plenty of groups in the Dominican Republic also.

Luís Henrique

[The-Spark]

yet if the man really wants to help with the movement surely he can learn something, and they will put him to a task, even if its a small task its a task nonetheless.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by The-[email protected] 20, 2007 03:19 pm
yet if the man really wants to help with the movement surely he can learn something, and they will put him to a task, even if its a small task its a task nonetheless.
Yeah, no doubt - they will probably ask him to help by making the movement's points in the place were he is.

Luís Henrique

[CGDR]

All the answers are helpful.., but to everyone's knowledge.., I was in the
U.S. Army and desserted just about 5 months ago, due to the realization I came to''. from being there.., I have grown as a person and know where I stand in the world..

So as far as experience goes'.., I have military experience, I can speak English/Spanish fluent....and I'm willing to help the cause'.... and I do have my "means" (money), to travel to the different countries

[The-Spark]

Very possibly, or maybe he should make a unit of guerrillas that can fight for EZLN, then he could really help.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 20, 2007 01:52 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 20, 2007 01:52 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:47 pm

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:13 pm

Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che
I think you misunderstood what is said.

For example I can't go over to Mexico or Venezuela or Colombia or Pakistan to take part in the worker's struggle against the Capitalists.

All I can do is fight against MY BOSSES in my country. Luis is point is that only. Start the fight against imperialism in the place where you live.
Che was Argentine yet he travelled to Cuba and Angola to assist with their revolutions first. [/b]
oh gawd. we get it. and we agree with that here. no che-preaching please.

I'm with Luis Enrique on this one. the fights starts home, within.
and thats not neglecting others. but we have to be fucking rational here.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Disreguard whatever the wimps above me say,
First you need to wear alot of bright colours, then you go to the guerilla occupied territories and run around!

Make sure to yell the name of their leader really loud repeatedly.

[YSR]

Well, first off, FARC are a bunch of terrorist assholes, so fuck that.

And second, not to sound like a "security culture" fanatic, but you sort of sound like a cop. You're probably not, and don't get all offended, but coming onto a leftist forum and then immediately asking for contact information for revolutionary movements abroad? Doesn't that sound a little suspicious to you?

[RedHal]

If you're thinking of going to a foreign country and joining their struggle, you're endangering their movement. 1st world revolutionary adventurism, just say no! If you're really sincere, you'll do agitation work in your own country, educating and getting support for their struggle. If EZLN is looking for foregin help, they will ask for it, until then do your work in your own country.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 04:23 pm
All the answers are helpful.., but to everyone's knowledge.., I was in the
U.S. Army and desserted just about 5 months ago, due to the realization I came to''. from being there.., I have grown as a person and know where I stand in the world..

So as far as experience goes'.., I have military experience, I can speak English/Spanish fluent....and I'm willing to help the cause'.... and I do have my "means" (money), to travel to the different countries
Ah, that's different. If you have military training, and are a deserter from the US Army, then I suggest you go to Cuba - they have a real military, that can use your training and experience of conventional war. And they could make enormous political profit from an American deserter that chooses to go there, and from there tell the world some thing about what happens within the US Army...

Luís Henrique

[The-Spark]

Im behind Luis on that one, you would be a great benifit to Cuba

[metalero]

I'm sure you can do a lot better in helping progressive liberation movements in third world countries, by spreading consciuous and solidarity information that put pressure on imperialist goverments that keep pupet regimes in power, as in Colombia. For example, there's an important trial (http://www.freericardopalmera.org/) going on In U.S about Colombian revolutionary Ricardo Palmera who was convicted of conspiring to take hostages. The hostages are three U.S. military contractors - foreign mercenaries fighting in Colombia's civil war. While conducting electronic spying, the three were shot down and captured over the territory held by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

The Colombian civil war pits the peasant and worker revolutionaries of the FARC against the wealthy and corrupt Colombian elite. The Bush administration fully supports President Uribe, as he becomes entangled in scandal after scandal involving narco-traffickers in his own government.

On Monday, July 9, 2007, in the second trial on the same charges, Colombian On the other side is the FARC - incorruptible, dynamic, growing and expanding, a force to be reckoned with. The FARC is attracting leaders like Ricardo Palmera, a college professor from a wealthy banking family, who seeks peace and justice, but sees no other avenue for reform and joins the revolution. The FARC promises to turn the world upside down.

Ricardo Palmera was a leading negotiator for peace and prisoner exchanges for the FARC. During a prisoner exchange negotiation, the U.S. kidnapped Palmera in Ecuador and extradited him to the U.S. in 2004. Along with FARC member Anayibe "Sonia" Rojas, he faces bogus criminal trials in U.S. courts.

There is no fair trial. Ricardo Palmera is held in solitary confinement, with no family visits, no friends, no reporters allowed. The only time he sees friendly faces is during his trial when supporters from across the country pack the courtroom. Palmera's defense lawyer is handpicked by the U.S. government, given little resources, and allowed no witnesses. The U.S. prosecutor spends hundreds of thousands of dollars, and is allowed a stream of witnesses, many who are paid. It was hard for the U.S. government to lose, but lose they did.

A setback in this political trial would be a major blow for US Imperialism, as well as a moral blow to the Colombian Oligarchy "democratic securtiy" and its dirty war against the Colombian people.

[bootleg42]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 04:23 pm
All the answers are helpful.., but to everyone's knowledge.., I was in the
U.S. Army and desserted just about 5 months ago, due to the realization I came to''. from being there.., I have grown as a person and know where I stand in the world..

So as far as experience goes'.., I have military experience, I can speak English/Spanish fluent....and I'm willing to help the cause'.... and I do have my "means" (money), to travel to the different countries
Look everyone, a few suggestions:

1. Just because the guy is from the U.S. doesn't mean he has to stick with the people of the U.S. Trust me when I say the U.S. people are no where near ready for socialism. I mean people avoid being marked liberal in the U.S. for crying out loud!!! My college is full of people only wanting to get rich and they don't care about poor or working people. I live with the poor and working people (I'm poor too but the only reason I'm in college is via scholorship, i'm the only one out of all my friends) and they are so alienated that it's impossible trying to talk to them about the idea that they can run their work and own the means of production.

2. If you want to help in Latin America then great. You could start by just living there (in where ever you wish to help). Get to know everything first hand. Get involved with the "campesinos", use your capital to help the poor in many ways, living with them is a start. If you live with the poor, you'll eventually encounter the social groups who also have contacts with such revolutionary groups. Make a few trips to Cuba maybe???

3. If your some spy or cop, fuck you!!!!!

4. And to my fellow comrades, why discourage someone who wants to help. Maybe this person's talents are better used in other parts of the world????

[CGDR]

All the answers are very helpfull, and as far as me being a cop or having anything to do with the emperialism of the u.s. HELL NO!!! HELL NO!!!

Im a dominican, born in the u.s.... and I see the world for what it is.. and I simpatize with the struggles in my Latin America..., if I could get ahead in life in my country Dominican Republic.., I would gladly leave the u.s. ...but emperialism has made it dificult for people that aren't born with a silver spoon get ahead in my Latin American countries..., They drain our natural resources by putting these puppet governments in power..., and also DRAIN and OPPRESS our people when we are forced to come over to the u.s. to progress......So basically they get our natural resorces and then get us to work in their country doing the jobs that americans wont do'... "and on top of that we suffer racism and discrimination" ...

Aint' the u.s. nice....(sarcasm)

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 08:27 am
1. Just because the guy is from the U.S. doesn't mean he has to stick with the people of the U.S.
As far as I understand, he is in the Dominican Republic. If he is a deserter from the US Army, he cannot go back to the US or he will face crime charges. As a matter of fact, I don't think he's safe in the Dominican Republic as well.


Trust me when I say the U.S. people are no where near ready for socialism. I mean people avoid being marked liberal in the U.S. for crying out loud!!! My college is full of people only wanting to get rich and they don't care about poor or working people. I live with the poor and working people (I'm poor too but the only reason I'm in college is via scholorship, i'm the only one out of all my friends) and they are so alienated that it's impossible trying to talk to them about the idea that they can run their work and own the means of production.

Yes, people get bullied in the US for being "liberal". In Latin America, they get shot dead for being leftists.


4. And to my fellow comrades, why discourage someone who wants to help. Maybe this person's talents are better used in other parts of the world????

Your talents are usually best used where they are known, and they are usually known where you live in.

But, evidently, his situation being that of a political exilee, that's not possible. Evidently, his greatest asset, now, is being politically persecuted in the "land of the free"; his situation itself denounces the US "democracy".

Luís Henrique

[redterror19]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 11:54 pm
If you're thinking of going to a foreign country and joining their struggle, you're endangering their movement. 1st world revolutionary adventurism, just say no! If you're really sincere, you'll do agitation work in your own country, educating and getting support for their struggle. If EZLN is looking for foregin help, they will ask for it, until then do your work in your own country.
I agree with RedHal. The U$ government will stoop to any level to kill communists around the world. If either of these movements are worth their salt, they'll regard an outsider, particularly one with a military background, as highly suspicious. There are other security problems of getting involved with their struggle. As a U$ citizen, you are subject to various legal brute tactics to capture you, extradite you, and extract information from you.

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Originally posted by redterror19+July 21, 2007 05:02 pm--> (redterror19 @ July 21, 2007 05:02 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 11:54 pm
If you're thinking of going to a foreign country and joining their struggle, you're endangering their movement. 1st world revolutionary adventurism, just say no! If you're really sincere, you'll do agitation work in your own country, educating and getting support for their struggle. If EZLN is looking for foregin help, they will ask for it, until then do your work in your own country.
I agree with RedHal. The U$ government will stoop to any level to kill communists around the world. If either of these movements are worth their salt, they'll regard an outsider, particularly one with a military background, as highly suspicious. There are other security problems of getting involved with their struggle. As a U$ citizen, you are subject to various legal brute tactics to capture you, extradite you, and extract information from you. [/b]
The original Cuban Revolutionaries (Castro and co) were trained by some US Korean War veteran... Outside support is very possible, it all depends on what your skills are. But perhaps it might be an idea to start something in your own country first, create awareness for the struggle or something like that! The EZLN are a very multi media oriented movement (lots of stuff on the internet etc), some even call them the first post modern revolutionaries (cant wait to get flamed for that one!) ... so perhaps a media/propaganda campaign in your own country? This was perhaps Che Guevara's greatest error, underestimating and ignoring the power of propaganda. In the right hands propaganda is the most dangerous weapon there is, Stalin and Mao had quotes on writings and propaganda, the Nazis were masters at the use of rethoric and propaganda. (again...I will be flamed for this) Its a powerful tool, perhaps sometihng in the lines of guerilla art campaigns etc. Either that, or you could start blowing up stores that sell Bacardi :P

[RedKnight]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 04:23 pm
All the answers are helpful.., but to everyone's knowledge.., I was in the
U.S. Army and desserted just about 5 months ago, due to the realization I came to''. from being there.., I have grown as a person and know where I stand in the world..

So as far as experience goes'.., I have military experience, I can speak English/Spanish fluent....and I'm willing to help the cause'.... and I do have my "means" (money), to travel to the different countries
Just so you know what you might be getting yourself into, if you are captured by U.S. military forces, you would not only be court martialed for desertion but possibly executed for treason as well. So be careful to take care of yourself out there, whatever you decide to do.

[CGDR]

Ok.., I went' back to the u.s. army for a week and they gave me a
other than honorable discharge....so' I kind of got out cleanly....but when I desserted......I took a plane to Dominican Republic.......and then decided to come back and get out clean when I spoke to G.I. Rights.org

So', Im out clean....they are not persuing me or anything like that.., but I am in the other than honorable discharge boat though......

But' Im no longer u.s. army....Im still waiting on my discharge papers....they should get here in about 1 month.....being that I just got out 1 month ago'...

P.S.
Most of the kids in u.s. army are (nerds) or (losers) who were just playing video games at home before the army...and the army high command nurtures their brain to think THIS AND THAT and make them little Emperialist...., I remember being in a company (4 platoons) wide meeting... and the liutenant coronel was talking to us, about army life....army goals.. blah blah blah...... and you had to be an idiot, to not see how false this guy was...... AND AN UNCLE TOM to the MAX..... in my head I was just thinking is he for real.... does he believe what he preaches......

CHECK THIS OUT:

liutenant coronel - UNCLE TOM
sergent mayor - UNCLE TOM
captain - UNCLE TOM and kind of gay (everyone thought so)
platoon sergeant - (puertorican from new york) but was a MASON

HMMM??????
just not my people, and they were my command
I DONT THINK SO'

[acornsr4squirrels]

maybe i'm an idiot, but what exactly is an "uncle tom" and a "mason?"

[CGDR]

UNCLE TOM = Black person from the u.s. who acts like they're white....not being racist or anything, but they act like slavery didnt happen and as far as they are concerned they're white themselves...
BASICALLY A RIGHT WING ASS KISSER, WHO HAPPENS TO BE AMERICAN BLACK.. (turning his back on his roots..{for what reason???})

MASON = Look up freemasons, luminaty and that was what my platoon sergeant was... a puertorican mason (basically turning his back on his roots).

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 09:05 pm
captain - UNCLE TOM and kind of gay (everyone thought so)

do you have a problem with gays bro?

[CGDR]

nope... just with people that hide what they are....

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

1st world revolutionary adventurism, just say no!

Bullshit.

"To die under the flag of Vietnam, of Venezuela, of Guatemala, of Laos, of Guinea, of Colombia, of Bolivia, of Brazil-to name only a few scenes of today's armed struggle-would be equally glorious and desirable for an American, an Asian, an African, even a European." - el Che

& check out International Brigades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_brigades)

As for FARC: http://farc-ep.org

[Raúl Duke]

Only a Suggestion:

If you'll prefer to be an urban guerilla (I think thats what they are considered), join the EPB (Ejercito Popular Borincano AKA Los Macheteros) in Puerto Rico. Although not sure if the movement is active..last year they're were affected by FBI raids.

[RedHal]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 22, 2007 02:34 am

1st world revolutionary adventurism, just say no!

Bullshit.

"To die under the flag of Vietnam, of Venezuela, of Guatemala, of Laos, of Guinea, of Colombia, of Bolivia, of Brazil-to name only a few scenes of today's armed struggle-would be equally glorious and desirable for an American, an Asian, an African, even a European." - el Che

& check out International Brigades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_brigades)

As for FARC: http://farc-ep.org
yeah and Che got himself and his comrades killed because of his focoist ideas. Foreigners should never head to another country and play Rambo, you'll get yourself killed and endanger their struggle. If EZLN is asking for foreign fighters, they will ask for it.

If I were an EZLN member reading this forum, I would be very suspicious of CGDR. If he were truly sincere, he would do his own research in contacting EZLN (google is a quick start) rather then requesting contact information on an open msg board, with feds checking. This isn't a game, lives are at stake, do your research and do it covertly.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 22, 2007 02:34 am
Brazil-to name only a few scenes of today's armed struggle
Huh?!

Luís Henrique

[CGDR]

I dig what you're saying redhal....but as long as I dont say that Im going to be killing people for those groups, or stuff like that.... than I should be good...
Maybe I just want to help them be better at their struggle without any fighting (??) maybe....

and the u.s. government spies'.....
can eaves drop my balls on their wives faces. :D

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Huh?!

There was an armed struggle going on in your country when Che wrote that message, and I know you're aware of that fact, so I'm not sure what you're going for.


yeah and Che got himself and his comrades killed because of his focoist ideas.

What a deep and well thought out conclusion! It's obvious you are aware of every detail of the various struggles Che took part in - enough so to write off the strategies and tactics developed by someone who played a leading role in a successful revolution!

.. not to mention that the extermination of one guerrilla group does not mean the end of the revolution. In fact, Che said it would undoubtedly happen, though it would still serve the cause as an example; but I'm sure you already know that.


Foreigners should never head to another country and play Rambo, you'll get yourself killed and endanger their struggle.

Take that Máximo Gómez, Henry Reeve, Asim Vokshi, László Rajk and Che!

Down with internationalism and "foreigners," up with the ivory tower and arm chairs!


If EZLN is asking for foreign fighters, they will ask for it.

The EZLN are armed reformists whom I'm not too concerned about; but the general point stands. Anyway, the Zapatistas have asked for loads of foreign support in the form of medicines, people to teach English, build schools, etc. Why would they ask for fighters when they don't fight?

[ahab]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 20, 2007 07:43 am--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 20, 2007 07:43 am)
Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 01:13 pm
Be active in your own country and place first.

Luís Henrique
''any victory over imperialism anywhere in the world is also our own victory'' - Che [/b]
che also said that he wishes the best to his comrades here, because are fight is the hardest fight we are in the belly of the beast....or something close to that, so actually everyone should just come here (US) and get shit started, if the US goes down then capitalism for the most part would be destroyed and we need all the help we can get lol

[Janus]

volunteering with the EZLN? (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=60290)
EZLN medical appeal (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32020)
EZLN recruiting? (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=37817&hl=+volunteer*++Zapatista*)

[RGacky3]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 04:13 am
and the u.s. government spies'.....
can eaves drop my balls on their wives faces. :D
I have to say, that was the coolest thing I've ever read, right now I have a movie scene pictured in my brain, of this guy telling some CIA agent that :P "You can eaves drop my balls on your wifes face" hahahahah, freaking tight.