USSR wasn't evil. USA was/is the real evil empire

[rebel_lord]

Hello all: i have a theory about USSR. USSR nor China werent evil, the evil empire as i have stated always was is and has been all the time the great USA, the home of the free, in God we trust. With liberty and justice for all (USA), along with its right-winger nation allies. USSR just developed weapons of mass destruction and an extreme program of defense as a response-reaction to the U.S.A. and allies. Just like Chavez who bought war-planes from Russia as a response-reaction-deffense from U.S imperialism. It shows you real well, that the bad guys in this movie is USA and its imperialist dog allies, and not Mao, USSR, Iran, China, Chavez or any other nations and world leaders out there :-)

rebel_lord

[rouchambeau]

Well, that's a very interesting thesis. Why should anyone believe it?

[Panda Tse Tung]

USA isn't evil, they just defend other class-interests. And from their point of view they are obviously 'the good guys', but from a proletarian point of view, they are bastardizers.

Your 'theory' is an idea many leftists already follow, except for the fact that most Marxists don't view the US as Evil, just the representation of other class-interests.

[Dimentio]

What movie are you talking about? There was a Soviet Rambo movie released in 1985 known as "Solo Voyage". A Soviet spetsnaz action hero is saving the world by eliminating a rogue American fascist general.

Another movie where the American are villains are "Iraq: Valley of the wolves", released in 2004, where a Turkish elite soldier is involved in the insurgency in Iraq.

[rebel_lord]

Originally posted by No. [email protected] 18, 2007 04:19 pm
USA isn't evil, they just defend other class-interests. And from their point of view they are obviously 'the good guys', but from a proletarian point of view, they are bastardizers.

Your 'theory' is an idea many leftists already follow, except for the fact that most Marxists don't view the US as Evil, just the representation of other class-interests.


Well i don't mean the USA as a whole, i don't mean the 300 million citizens of USA, i mean the USA-Cupulas and USA-ruling right-wing elites (That's what i mean really), the other majority of USA who are not part of that elitist, ruling oligarchic ring are just victims of that system, not evil and/or perpetatror of most US imperialist capitalistic right wing affairs :-P

rebel_lord

[Panda Tse Tung]

I was talking about those things too, 'evil' is very relative.

[Dimentio]

Good and evil does not exist.

Seriously, about the Soviet Union. It, and other socialist states, was to the working class what the early absolutist states in 16th century Europe, ruled by protestant theocratic leaderships, were to the burghers.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Good and evil does not exist.

It exists to some people, thus it exists and is therefore relative.

And i don't understand what you're trying to say with your USSR-comparison.

[Dimentio]

Donald Duck exists to some people. Thus he exists and he is relative.

What I'm trying to say is that USSR is'nt something which anyone who is interested in advancing the cause for the workers should try to emulate or seek to revive.

[The-Spark]

To the soviet union the americans were evil, to the americans the soviet union was evil. so does evil really exist or is it just an oppinion?

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Meh they were both "evil", two imperialist superpowers, each with a different ideology, but nonetheness, still imperialists. The USSR had Eastern Europe as their backyard while the US had Latin America. The US wages war in Vietnam, the USSR invades Afghanistan.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Donald Duck exists to some people. Thus he exists and he is relative.

I don't know anyone who thinks that. But yeah, if he exists to you when tripping on shrooms he exists to you.



What I'm trying to say is that USSR is'nt something which anyone who is interested in advancing the cause for the workers should try to emulate or seek to revive.

No, it had major flaws. But it can still be revived in a new and better way.

[hajduk]

Both political parties in America democrats and republicans whant to make American empire.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 08:09 pm
Meh they were both "evil", two imperialist superpowers, each with a different ideology, but nonetheness, still imperialists. The USSR had Eastern Europe as their backyard while the US had Latin America. The US wages war in Vietnam, the USSR invades Afghanistan.
The USSR didn't invade Afghanistan. That is a rightist myth. They were there with the support of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan and fought against the CIA-backed Islamists (the same people Rambo fights with in that stupid movie, who is supposed to be America's sworn enemy now :lol: ), who have wreaked havoc on the people of Afghanistan ever since.

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Originally posted by Fly Pan Ama+July 19, 2007 06:52 pm--> (Fly Pan Ama @ July 19, 2007 06:52 pm)
[email protected] 18, 2007 08:09 pm
Meh they were both "evil", two imperialist superpowers, each with a different ideology, but nonetheness, still imperialists. The USSR had Eastern Europe as their backyard while the US had Latin America. The US wages war in Vietnam, the USSR invades Afghanistan.
The USSR didn't invade Afghanistan. That is a rightist myth. They were there with the support of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan and fought against the CIA-backed Islamists (the same people Rambo fights with in that stupid movie, who is supposed to be America's sworn enemy now :lol: ), who have wreaked havoc on the people of Afghanistan ever since. [/b]
Riiiiiight...I wonder how popular the People's Democratic Party actually was, they were just Soviet lapdogs who were losing power, so the USSR had to make sure their interests were protected there. In a similar way as how the US supports their own impopular regimes. Just because it had the nametag of "People's Democratic" doesnt mean it was a popular regime. The US were too happy to support an insurgency against the Soviets, but that doesnt mean that the Soviets were the great liberators here...all imperialists...Soviet...Yankee...

[Xiao Banfa]

There was a Soviet Rambo movie released in 1985 known as "Solo Voyage". A Soviet spetsnaz action hero is saving the world by eliminating a rogue American fascist general.

Another movie where the American are villains are "Iraq: Valley of the wolves", released in 2004, where a Turkish elite soldier is involved in the insurgency in Iraq.

where can I find those movies?

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Originally posted by Xiao [email protected] 20, 2007 01:58 am

There was a Soviet Rambo movie released in 1985 known as "Solo Voyage". A Soviet spetsnaz action hero is saving the world by eliminating a rogue American fascist general.

Another movie where the American are villains are "Iraq: Valley of the wolves", released in 2004, where a Turkish elite soldier is involved in the insurgency in Iraq.

where can I find those movies?
Oh man! I want to see these movies too now! :o

[Dr Mindbender]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6CQdvqMwQ

[bolshevik butcher]

I think that your analysis is overly simplisitc.

We are not in a world of black and white or good and evil we exist in a society and world made up of classes competing for power. The USA is ruled by a capitalist class and is the most powerful imperialist country in the world, so is most strongly able to repress the working class internationally and so has to be seen as the global working class' biggest enemy. However, the USSR/China were deformed workers states. They were ruled by a paratsitic bueraucratic caste, this caste was in it's foreign policy to back progressive and revolutionary movements such as the Sandanista. However, this caste hardly ruled in the interests of the working class.

[RedHal]

Only the US ruling class use the term eveil when describing a sovereign state. It's all about class interest, US imperialism and their lackeys vs. the opressed nations, there's no such thing as good and evil. I guess it's easy for American rednecks to understand who the "enemy" is when they are called "evil empires" and "rogue states". Always be critical when watching hollywood movies and any corporate media.

*you're right, shouldn't be insulting edited*

[bolshevik butcher]

Give the man a break, this forum should be a place in which people who are new to the left and socialist ideas are able to ask questions and learn more, not where they are ridiculed for not having these formed already. We have to learn somehow and this forum is a useful tool for doing this. People should be encouraged to ask questions and make points like these not insulted for it.

[MYSTIC OWL]

Interesting theory, rebel lord.

You did neglect to mention the genius of Stalin and his 5 year plans in Siberia. It had the added advantage of making millions of Russians magically disappear into a cold, barren landscape.

Hey, look on the bright side, Russia got a brand new railway extending from its West to the very East!!

[MYSTIC OWL]

Oh, by the way, thank you bolshevik butcher for standing up for us plebs!