Another staged-terror 9-11 is coming to USA

[rebel_lord]

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Former Reagan Official: Bush May Stage False Flag Events To Reinstate Draft
"Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?" asks Roberts Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, July 17, 2007


Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration Paul Craig Roberts has gone further than ever before, warning that the Bush administration could be about to stage false flag events and terror attacks in order to reinstate the draft, announce a dictatorship and attack Iran.

Roberts has been dubbed the "Father of Reaganomics" and is also a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service.

In his weekly syndicated column, Roberts suggests that unfolding events and the nature of the rhetoric emanating from government quarters suggests that a major staged terror attack could be just around the corner. "Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?" writes Roberts.

If the Bush administration wants to continue its wars in the Middle East and to entrench the "unitary executive" at home, it will have to conduct some false flag operations that will both frighten and anger the American people and make them accept Bush's declaration of "national emergency" and the return of the draft. Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance.

A series of staged or permitted attacks would be spun by the captive media as a vindication of the neoconsevatives' Islamophobic policy, the intention of which is to destroy all Middle Eastern governments that are not American puppet states. Success would give the US control over oil, but the main purpose is to eliminate any resistance to Israel's complete absorption of Palestine into Greater Israel.

Think about it. If another 9/11-type "security failure" were not in the works, why would Homeland Security czar Chertoff go to the trouble of convincing the Chicago Tribune that Americans have become complacent about terrorist threats and that he has "a gut feeling" that America will soon be hit hard?

Roberts concludes that coming "terrorist" events within the next year will be the means for overthrowing constitutional democracy unless Congress moves to impeach Bush and Cheney immediately.


Paul Craig Roberts

Roberts' warning is dovetailed by a series of high profile individuals expressing the need for more terror as the only recourse for saving a doomed foreign policy and reversing anti-war sentiment in the U.S. that is now dominating the country.

In a July 8 Toronto Star piece, Lt.-Col. Doug Delaney, chair of the war studies program at the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ontario, said that "The key to bolstering Western resolve is another terrorist attack like 9/11 or the London transit bombings of two years ago."

"If nothing happens, it will be harder still to say this [the occupation of Iraq] is necessary," he added.

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Delaney's comments are in a similar vein to former Republican Senator Rick Santorum's statements to a radio show last weekend, in which he said that "unfortunate events" would occur along the lines of the recent car bomb attempts in the UK, that will change American's views of the war.

Last month, the new chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party Dennis Milligan said that there needed to be more attacks on American soil for President Bush to regain popular approval.

Yearning for more terror was also explicitly expressed in a 2005 GOP memo, which hankered for new attacks that would "validate" the President's war on terror and "restore his image as a leader of the American people."

It seems painfully clear that the Neo-Cons are still obsessed with the notion of using staged terror as the only ultimate means of facilitating their dark agenda, and that thousands and potentially millions of Americans could be about to pay with their lives to realize such a nightmare.

[RedAnarchist]

One thing I keep wondering about is, why has there not been a terrorist attack on America since 9/11 by Al-Qaeda or their allies? Why have they only attacked Britain, Spain, Bali etc?

[rebel_lord]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 08:19 pm
One thing I keep wondering about is, why has there not been a terrorist attack on America since 9/11 by Al-Qaeda or their allies? Why have they only attacked Britain, Spain, Bali etc?


Hello, yeah things are looking spooky. The neocons are evil people, these people are crazy. Who would've thought that USA will fall under the control of such people. I mean i just don't understand how can they have the heart to kill thousands of people in order to follow a goal of invading the middle east. Damn man. I think that they should take some kind of psyco-medicine in order to be able to cope with that harsh evil reality

rebel_lord

[Tatarin]

... reinstate the draft, ...

They don't have to reinstate the draft, because as the American people get poorer, the only way for them to survive is to join the army - which always require new people. It is better to make an illusion that people can choose, rather than to force them.


... announce a dictatorship ...

Why would they do that? The US already is a dictatorship, but it's the illusion that counts - that you have the "freedom" to choose a political party. If they announce one leader, there would be massive uprising, seccession and violence, which one could say would benefit the ruling class there, but I'd say they would rather want a "vegged out population".


"Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?"

Technically, they didn't lie about Afghanistan. I mean, there were Talibans there, and after 9/11 it wouldn't be hard to convince the people into occupying that country. And with Iraq, only now are people starting to wake up from the patriotic binge and realize that sending troops there was a bad idea. If Iraq prooved to be completely harmless to the US (the country), then what will justify an attack on Iran?


... accept Bush's declaration of "national emergency" and the return of the draft.

Except giving people the illusion of choice, why didn't they reinstate the draft after 9/11? They would have succeded.


If another 9/11-type "security failure" were not in the works, why would Homeland Security czar Chertoff go to the trouble of convincing the Chicago Tribune that Americans have become complacent about terrorist threats and that he has "a gut feeling" that America will soon be hit hard?

Why not? They must propagate one enemy or another.

And, a "gut feeling"?


Roberts concludes that coming "terrorist" events within the next year will be the means for overthrowing constitutional democracy unless Congress moves to impeach Bush and Cheney immediately.

"Democracy" has already been overthrown. And what if they are ousted? Another one will take their place. The trouble with Prisonplanet.com is that they don't realize that it is the system, capitalism, that needs to be ousted. What stops these things from happening again in 10, 20 or 100 years? Capitalist interest does. That's the point.


The neocons are evil people, these people are crazy. Who would've thought that USA will fall under the control of such people.

It is only a matter of time. That is the way of capitalism. The point is to get as wealthy as possible. They aren't crazy, they're smart. They convinced the people to fight for their own selfish interests - capitalism at works.


I mean i just don't understand how can they have the heart to kill thousands of people in order to follow a goal of invading the middle east.

Thousands? They have killed, tortured and oppressed people for over a hundred years. And not just the Middle East, but Asia, South America, Russia and Southern Europe. But they don't kill people, no, they protect the American people from all the evils of the communist world we're living in!


I think that they should take some kind of psyco-medicine in order to be able to cope with that harsh evil reality

The only "medicine" you need is the Communist Manifesto. :D

[YSR]

As a general rule, disregard everything you find at prisonplanet.com. Alex Jones, while he sounds like a cool dude at first, is a profoundly anti-communist conspiracy theorist. Materialism doesn't even enter into his vocabulary.


The only "medicine" you need is the Communist Manifesto. biggrin.gif

Even as a joke, this freaks me out.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 18, 2007 01:26 pm
As a general rule, disregard everything you find at prisonplanet.com. Alex Jones, while he sounds like a cool dude at first, is a profoundly anti-communist conspiracy theorist. Materialism doesn't even enter into his vocabulary.


The only "medicine" you need is the Communist Manifesto. biggrin.gif

Even as a joke, this freaks me out.
I agree, although I think Alex might have a point on a few things (9/11, Police states.) he has some weird theories (illuminati cults...) , and I remember watching a flash animation on infowars and he accuses the bush admin of being communist. plus he's supported by those "The joos control everything" paleoconservative racist fucks.

[rebel_lord]

Originally posted by TheDifferenceEngine+July 18, 2007 02:29 pm--> (TheDifferenceEngine @ July 18, 2007 02:29 pm)
Young Stupid [email protected] 18, 2007 01:26 pm
As a general rule, disregard everything you find at prisonplanet.com. Alex Jones, while he sounds like a cool dude at first, is a profoundly anti-communist conspiracy theorist. Materialism doesn't even enter into his vocabulary.


The only "medicine" you need is the Communist Manifesto. biggrin.gif

Even as a joke, this freaks me out.
I agree, although I think Alex might have a point on a few things (9/11, Police states.) he has some weird theories (illuminati cults...) , and I remember watching a flash animation on infowars and he accuses the bush admin of being communist. plus he's supported by those "The joos control everything" paleoconservative racist fucks. [/b]

Hello all: while i agree with you guys that Alex Jones is a confused on how the world works, on Political Science, and in scientific theory of socieities, we cannot dismiss his views on 9-11, Police-State fascism, Police repression etc. Don't be so dogmatic and fearful. I mean just because you listen to Alex Jones show it doesn't mean that you will join his ideology [nationalist freemarket libertarianism], and his favorite political leader [Ron Paul].

Do like every thing in this world, take the positive and skip the negatives, it's not hard if u try :-)

rebel_lord

[bcbm]

Alex Jones is a nutjob who offers nothing that people on the left with a much better and more rational, not to mention realistic, analysis haven't already been saying for decades. There's no reason to "take the good" from him when it means having to put up with so much absolute bullshit.

As for the topic, given that the first 9-11 wasn't staged, I doubt they'd bother to "stage" another one.

[Tatarin]

I agree, although I think Alex might have a point on a few things (9/11, Police states.)

Sure, he maybe speaks of how the system is corrupted, but he points it at an invisible enemy. He basically says that all the problems of the world can be blamed on that group - that is, he argues that capitalism itself isn't wrong, only when induviduals corrupt it.


... he has some weird theories (illuminati cults...) ...

That's the funny thing about Alex Jones. The Illuminati, the real group created by Adam Weishaupt, was actually working for "freedom" - i.e., the freedom to express any religion, the freedom to think and act as you wanted - contrary to the feudalist system. That's also the reason the organization was put down - by feudalism.

And ask yourself - if they really wanted world control - why would they allow the revolution in France? Or America? Or Russia?


..., and I remember watching a flash animation on infowars and he accuses the bush admin of being communist.

He accuses them of being communist because he doesn't know about communism. He thinks that communism is one big government that controls everything, which it is not.

[bootleg42]

..., and I remember watching a flash animation on infowars and he accuses the bush admin of being communist.

He accuses them of being communist because he doesn't know about communism. He thinks that communism is one big government that controls everything, which it is not.

Lol. United Statians in gerneral don't know anything about communism or even socialism for that matter. I remember when I was arguing with this guy in school and he was a Bush hater BUT he said (get ready to laugh)..."Bush is probably the most socialist of all the U.S. presidents"....I was laughing so hard. He claimed that Bush wasn't socialist itself but that he was closest to it than any other U.S. president. I then asked him why and he said "look at all his big spending".

Also prisonplanet is probably not a great place to get your news from. People in the crowd of Alex Jones also claim that communism was a conspiracy to create slaves. I don't see how making a worker's state and advancing progressive ideals is creating slaves. He's a typical United Statian, he'll hate and complain about the system, but he'll never see the ROOT of the problem (capitalism). And when I bring it up, they say capitalism is good but it's just been hijacked buy nuts like Bush and company and I tell them that under capitalism, everything Bush does is legal and when I actually start defining capitalism and showing them that what Bush does is legal (under capitalist idealogy), they start just ignoring me and walk away.

If people don't eliminate capitalism, change never occurs. You must solve a problem from it's root, if not, another similiar problem grows back or becomes worse.

[Faux Real]

The scare tactics are still in the media it seems. One pipe explosion in NYC a few hours ago and the whole country is holding it's breath in shock thanking their almighty Lord for it not being the product of terror. Constant mentions of "It was not terror" "It was not likely caused by terrorists" etc. A piece of bullshit like that gets coverage meanwhile people are being displaced from their homes and not one major news source will cover it. Incessant tripe.

[peaccenicked]

Not that Alex Jones has the literary merit of Shakespeare but he has something in common. This is namely an ideological axe to grind. Shakespeare was a devout
aesthetical christian who hated what power and money did to human beings. Alex Jones is a libertarian who hates Statism and hates it so much that he suspects it of being in absolute control of the most important events in history.

This absolutist position maybe unscientific but it gives us essentially Marx's dictum:question everything.

I have expressed my own views on 9/11 here before but the matter of what I believe is relatively unimportant.
What I share with Alex Jones is the idea that the 9/11 commision failed to examine all the witnesses. Relatives of the dead including wives and children are unsatisfied with that inquiry. Even Hugo Chavez wants a new inquiry.

Under the present day conditions, whatever they are estimated by revolutionaries.
I find it it unbelievable that anyone worth their salt would not support such a demand. I would even go as far as to question their empathetic capacity as human beings, which also means I would question their fundamental socialism, but that is me and everyone else can examine their own conscience.

[rebel_lord]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 01:24 am
Not that Alex Jones has the literary merit of Shakespeare but he has something in common. This is namely an ideological axe to grind. Shakespeare was a devout
aesthetical christian who hated what power and money did to human beings. Alex Jones is a libertarian who hates Statism and hates it so much that he suspects it of being in absolute control of the most important events in history.

This absolutist position maybe unscientific but it gives us essentially Marx's dictum:question everything.

I have expressed my own views on 9/11 here before but the matter of what I believe is relatively unimportant.
What I share with Alex Jones is the idea that the 9/11 commision failed to examine all the witnesses. Relatives of the dead including wives and children are unsatisfied with that inquiry. Even Hugo Chavez wants a new inquiry.

Under the present day conditions, whatever they are estimated by revolutionaries.
I find it it unbelievable that anyone worth their salt would not support such a demand. I would even go as far as to question their empathetic capacity as human beings, which also means I would question their fundamental socialism, but that is me and everyone else can examine their own conscience.


9-11 was an inside job, don't listen to the crazy stalinists who will bash you for that, they are crazy

rebel_lord

[peaccenicked]

hey Rebel lord. I am currently on admin at www.endofempire.org (http://www.endofempire.org) but our main admin is away, so I dont know how easy it is to register but we have had a new member recently. We are at war with a troll mac because we dont know how to ban him. You might be interested in the messageboard.

[hajduk]

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[YSR]

Err...crazy Stalinists over at Infoshop have some great stuff to say about 9/11.

http://www.infoshop.org/texts/debunking911.html

(Don't we usually trash threads about 9/11 conspiracies, or did I just make that up?)

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 18, 2007 09:22 pm
Alex Jones is a nutjob who offers nothing that people on the left with a much better and more rational, not to mention realistic, analysis haven't already been saying for decades. There's no reason to "take the good" from him when it means having to put up with so much absolute bullshit.

As for the topic, given that the first 9-11 wasn't staged, I doubt they'd bother to "stage" another one.
Thanks for letting us know. It always surprises me how many nutters there are spewing strange conspiracies and how they always have an audience. :mellow: :wacko:

[peaccenicked]

PRC-UTE
There was a time when Bloody Sunday was considered a strange conspiracy theory.
Our british lads could never commit such an atrocity.
Wake up smell the coffee, or bury your head under the sand but dont exclude every possibility without ample research

[Coggeh]

Personnally I have alot of doubts about 9-11 but it changes sweet fuck all , its a boring issue that has been done to death and whether it was terrorists or the neocons both sides were happy . "terrorists" got revenge on the US ... Neocons got an excuse for war and scaring the public into war ... its basically a dumb issue ..has no relevence to the left and nutjobs conspiracy lovers just give the left a bad name by shouting about it .

Like i said im straying towards believeing the whole inside job thing but why time digging deeper into it when you can just make them pay come the revolution anyway lol

[peaccenicked]

well coggy you might be right when it comes to it. Nothing might really matter but the revolution, but if so might not the revolution be meaningless. Now 9/11 would be meaningless to me if there were no deaths on the day and no deaths in the war that followed and is still continuing on some level.
The thing that pushed me most on an emotional level was 'press for truth', you can acess it from here.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911video

[peaccenicked]

Sheehan: Distinct Chance Of Staged Attack, Martial Law
Peace Mom warns of false flag terror as she prepares to take on sell-out Pelosi

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, July 12, 2007


Cindy Sheehan, the famous Peace Mom who recently expressed her intention to run against Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco, says there's a "distinct possibility" that America will be hit with another staged terror attack that will allow Bush to enact the martial law provisions he recently signed into law.

Sheehan spoke to The Alex Jones Show as she prepares to embark on a two week trek towards Washington to confront Pelosi.

Asked what she thought of numerous recent comments on behalf of politicians, military analysts and GOP kingpins that the Bush administration needs more terror to save a doomed foreign policy, along with recent legislation that establishes the framework for martial law in the event of an emergency, Sheehan was open to the plausibility that another false flag attack could be visited upon the American people.

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"I definitely think that is a distinct possibility, that there will be some kind of attack whether it's manufactured or real....I think it's really possible that these people will do that - why would he [Bush] put in that presidential directive if he didn't need to use it - I think it's really really frightening," Sheehan told The Alex Jones Show.

"Does anybody think that [Bush's] recent presidential decision directive wasn't for declaring martial law and suspending elections - that's why they have to be stopped," added Sheehan.

Recently liberated from the straightjacket of partisan control, Sheehan attacked the Democrats for failing to achieve what they were voted in to do last November.

"The culture of corruption doesn't stop at the Republican party and people need to realize that Democrats are not our saviors," said Sheehan.

"Over 600 soldiers have died since the Democrats took over power and many thousands of Iraqis, the blood is on their hands, they have the power to stop it and support our troops, support the people of Iraq, save America from more threats from the Bush administration and get them out of power," added the anti-war activist.

Sheehan told Pelosi that if she didn't have impeachment on the table by July that she would run against her in San Francisco and the Peace Mom has now taken that course of action.

"I will run against you and I will give you a run for your money," challenged Sheehan.


Sheehan slammed Pelosi as a warmongering elitist who lives in a mansion on a hill and is completely out of touch with her electorate, as well as a major supporter of AIPAC, a group which has expressed its explicit support for an attack on Iran.

"You can't have allegiance to two countries when you're a lawmaker in one of those countries," said Sheehan, adding that many politicians put America's best interests second behind Israel.

Asked why the candidacy of Ron Paul has become so popular, Sheehan commented "People are hungry for change, people are hungry for people to tell the truth, no matter what, people are hungry for those who act out of their integrity."

[ComradeR]

In a way i really hope they go through with something like this if they're really stupid enough to, it would give us a powerful tool that we could use to rally the people around. It would reveal the imperialist system as it really is to the US working class people, and could shake them out of their apathy allowing for a possible revolution here if we are ready to help push them forward.

[MYSTIC OWL]

Another terrorist outrage would provide the battered neocons with a pretext for another expedition. However, given their track record, it would be highly unpopular.

But, do not discount the possibility of a democrat-lead war.

American public opinion may be more ready to swallow another military expedition if it comes from President Roddam Clinton or President Obama.

Does is really matter who is launching the wars in Washington - democrat or republican?

Does two cheeks of the same arse mean anything to you colonials!? :D

[Tatarin]

September 11 (2001) was a success for the terrorists as soon as they took control of the planes. Even if they didn't crash into buildings, it would have been the same scale as the event that happened. They would still have invaded Afghanistan - and probably Iraq too.

[peaccenicked]

Paul Craig Roberts

White House preparing to stage new September 11 - Reagan official

7-20-2007

WASHINGTON, July 20 (RIA Novosti) - A former Reagan official has issued a public warning that the Bush administration is preparing to orchestrate a staged terrorist attack in the United States, transform the country into a dictatorship and launch a war with Iran within a year.

Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, blasted Thursday a new Executive Order, released July 17, allowing the White House to seize the assets of anyone who interferes with its Iraq policies and giving the government expanded police powers to exercise control in the country.

Roberts, who spoke on the Thom Hartmann radio program*, said: "When Bush exercises this authority [under the new Executive Order], there's no check to it. So it really is a form of total, absolute, one-man rule."

"The American people don't really understand the danger that they face," Roberts said, adding that the so-called neoconservatives intended to use a renewal of the fight against terrorism to rally the American people around the fading Republican Party.

Old-line Republicans like Roberts have become increasingly disenchanted with the neoconservative politics of the Bush administration, which they see as a betrayal of fundamental conservative values.

According to a July 9-11 survey by Ipsos, an international public opinion research company, President Bush and the Republicans can claim a mere 31 percent approval rating for their handling of the Iraq war and 38 percent for their foreign policy in general, including terrorism.

"The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," he said. "You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda is not going to do it, it is going to be orchestrated."

Roberts suggested that in the absence of a massive popular outcry, only the federal bureaucracy and perhaps the military could put constraints on Bush's current drive for a fully-fledged dictatorship.

"They may have had enough. They may not go along with it," he said.

The radio interview was a follow-up to Robert's latest column, in which he warned that "unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the U.S. could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."

Roberts, who has been dubbed the "Father of Reaganomics" and has recently gained popularity for his strong opposition to the Bush administration and the Iraq War, regularly contributes articles to Creators Syndicate, an independent distributor of comic strips and syndicated columns for daily newspapers.

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* http://www.911blogger.com/node/10089

[bolshevik butcher]

I agree with PRC UTE. The left doesn't need to immerse itself in conspiracy theories. We already know who runs society, the ruling class and that they are willing to use any means to keep themselves in control. I don't think we have any real credible sources to prove 9/11 was an inside job. After bloody sunday it was quite clear what had happened if you asked some of the youths from derry, 9/11 clearly isn't the same.

[peaccenicked]

I agree with PRC UTE. The left doesn't need to immerse itself in conspiracy theories. We already know who runs society, the ruling class and that they are willing to use any means to keep themselves in control. I don't think we have any real credible sources to prove 9/11 was an inside job. After bloody sunday it was quite clear what had happened if you asked some of the youths from derry, 9/11 clearly isn't the same.


Who are the ruling class? Criminal Imperialist bastards? Do you really know them?
Anybody with an open mind who does even a cursory glance at the 9/11 commision
would come to the conclusion that something is deeply wrong. Some key eye witnesses were not called for instance. Bloody Sunday was not given the public attention it was due until there was an independent inquiry. Which may come about in the US under a Democratic Party Regime and possibly bury the Republican
Party for good. Watergate was a small conspiracy compared.