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Das war einmal
15th July 2007, 09:35
Zie hier (http://www.janmarijnissen.nl/2007/07/10/moore-gaat-los-op-cnn/)

Man, wat is dit verfrissend, Moore die afrekend met de manipulatieve media.

Lees ook zijn open brief die Moore naar CNN heeft gestuurd:

An Open Letter to CNN from Michael Moore

7/14/07

Dear CNN,

Well, the week is over -- and still no apology, no retraction, no correction of your glaring mistakes.

I bet you thought my dust-up with Wolf Blitzer was just a cool ratings coup, that you really wouldn't have to correct the false statements you made about "Sicko." I bet you thought I was just going to go quietly away.

Think again. I'm about to become your worst nightmare. 'Cause I ain't ever going away. Not until you set the record straight, and apologize to your viewers. "The Most Trusted Name in News?" I think it's safe to say you can retire that slogan.

You have an occasional segment called "Keeping Them Honest." But who keeps you honest? After what the public saw with your report on "Sicko," and how many inaccuracies that report contained, how can anyone believe anything you say on your network? In the old days, before the Internet, you could get away with it. Your victims had no way to set the record straight, to show the viewers how you had misrepresented the truth. But now, we can post the truth -- and back it up with evidence and facts -- on the web, for all to see. And boy, judging from the mail both you and I have been receiving, the evidence I have posted on my site about your "Sicko" piece has led millions now to question your honesty.

I won't waste your time rehashing your errors. You know what they are. What I want to do is help you come clean. Admit you were wrong. What is the shame in that? We all make mistakes. I know it's hard to admit it when you've screwed up, but it's also liberating and cathartic. It not only makes you a better person, it helps prevent you from screwing up again. Imagine how many people will be drawn to a network that says, "We made a mistake. We're human. We're sorry. We will make mistakes in the future -- but we will always correct them so that you know you can trust us." Now, how hard would that really be?

As you know, I hold no personal animosity against you or any of your staff. You and your parent company have been very good to me over the years. You distributed my first film, "Roger & Me" and you published "Dude, Where's My Country?" Larry King has had me on twice in the last two weeks. I couldn't ask for better treatment.

That's why I was so stunned when you let a doctor who knows a lot about brain surgery -- but apparently very little about public policy -- do a "fact check" story, not on the medical issues in "Sicko," but rather on the economic and political information in the film. Is this why there has been a delay in your apology, because you are trying to get a DOCTOR to say he was wrong? Please tell him not to worry, no one is filing a malpractice claim against him. Dr. Gupta does excellent and compassionate stories on CNN about people's health and how we can take better care of ourselves. But when it came time to discuss universal health care, he rushed together a bunch of sloppy -- and old -- research. When his producer called us about his report the day before it aired, we sent to her, in an email, all the evidence so that he wouldn't make any mistakes on air. He chose to ignore ALL the evidence, and ran with all his falsehoods -- even though he had been given the facts a full day before! How could that happen? And now, for 5 days, I have posted on my website, for all to see, every mistake and error he made.

You, on the other hand, in the face of this overwhelming evidence and a huge public backlash, have chosen to remain silent, probably praying and hoping this will all go away.

Well it isn't. We are now going to start looking into the veracity of other reports you have aired on other topics. Nothing you say now can be believed. In 2002, the New York Times busted you for bringing celebrities on your shows and not telling your viewers they were paid spokespeople for the pharmaceutical companies. You promised never to do it again. But there you were, in 2005, talking to Joe Theismann, on air, as he pushed some drug company-sponsored website on prostate health. You said nothing about about his affiliation with GlaxoSmithKline.

Clearly, no one is keeping you honest, so I guess I'm going to have to do that job, too. $1.5 billion is spent each year by the drug companies on ads on CNN and the other four networks. I'm sure that has nothing to do with any of this. After all, if someone gave me $1.5 billion, I have to admit, I might say a kind word or two about them. Who wouldn't?!

I expect CNN to put this matter to rest. Say you're sorry and correct your story -- like any good journalist would.

Then we can get back to more important things. Like a REAL discussion about our broken health care system. Everything else is a distraction from what really matters.

Yours,
Michael Moore
[email protected]
www.michaelmoore.com

P.S. If you also want to apologize for not doing your job at the start of the Iraq War, I'm sure most Americans would be very happy to accept your apology. You and the other networks were willing partners with Bush, flying flags all over the TV screens and never asking the hard questions that you should have asked. You might have prevented a war. You might have saved the lives of those 3,610 soldiers who are no longer with us. Instead, you blew air kisses at a commander in chief who clearly was making it all up. Millions of us knew that -- why didn't you? I think you did. And, in my opinion, that makes you responsible for this war. Instead of doing the job the founding fathers wanted you to do -- keeping those in power honest (that's why they made it the FIRST amendment) -- you and much of the media went on the attack against the few public figures like myself who dared to question the nightmare we were about to enter. You've never thanked me or the Dixie Chicks or Al Gore for doing your job for you. That's OK. Just tell the truth from this point on.

Tower of Bebel
16th July 2007, 15:24
Bij wijze van spreken is "iedereen" dit morgen "vergeten". De manipulatieve media is inherent aan het systeem en dus zal de media zich proberen te redden en zal ze profiteren van het feit dat iedere mens dag in dag uit wordt geconfronteerd met manipulatie.
Het is natuurlijk klein-burgerlijk van Moore om op deze manier zich in te zetten, maar het kan sommige mensen inderdaad eventjes deugd doen.

Das war einmal
17th July 2007, 17:48
CNN Throws in Towel, Admits to Two Errors, and States That All 'Sicko' Facts Are True to Their Source (or something like that)... Moore Realizes All This is Huge Distraction and Then Spends More Precious Time Thanking Paris Hilton for Seeing 'Sicko'... Meanwhile, More than 300 Americans Die Because They Had No Health Insurance During the 8-Day Gupta-Moore War...

July 17th, 2007

Friends,

The mighty CNN, in a lengthy and sad online defense of their woe-begotten 'Sicko' story of last Monday, has admitted that they did indeed fudge at least two of the facts in their coverage of my film and have apologized for it:

1. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN: "To be clear, I got a number wrong in my original report, substituting the number 25, instead of 251." -- My Conversation with Michael Moore, July 11th, 2007; and

2. CNN: "Moore is correct. Paul Keckley left Vanderbilt in late 2006." -- CNN's Response to Michael Moore, July 15th, 2007.

Furthermore, CNN confirmed that all of our statistics in "Sicko" are the correct numbers from the sources we cited. Although CNN still prefers to use older World Health Organization statistics, we will stick to using this year's Bush administration stats and more recent U.N. data. (In "Sicko," we consistently use only U.N. Human Development Statistics unless it's for studies they don't do or have recent numbers for.) CNN did apologize for these two factual errors, but no apology seems to be coming for the rest of their errors. These days, to get the mainstream media to admit they were wrong is rare; to get them to admit it twice, as they have with "Sicko," I guess should be considered a whopping victory. Will they eventually apologize for the rest, or for their reporting on the war? Will the Cubs win the World Series this year?

So the truce has been signed, the peace pipe has been smoked. And the public is left with a much more cautious and wary eye when it comes to CNN. To be fair, this is what happens when you have to grind out "news" 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with a staff you have shrunk through layoffs over the years (like all the broadcast networks have done). You end up rushed and having interns do your research. You have robots replace live camera operators. And, if you're CNN, you are constantly dodging the accusation that you are "too liberal." So when you do a piece on someone like me, you have to make sure you add superfluous and standard ad hominems attacking me simply to prove that you are NOT too liberal. I get it.

Until the last month or so, I have not appeared on a single national TV show for nearly 2 and 1/2 years. After the attacks I had to endure three years ago, from a media intent on questioning my patriotism because I dared to speak out against the war when none in the media would, I decided I had had enough and would simply concentrate on making my next film. I had no desire to participate in networks that were complicit in the war because of their refusal the challenge the commander in chief.

I have to admit, though, I do feel kinda bad taking it all out on Wolf Blitzer. It's not like he's the official representative of the mainstream media. I mean, he's from Buffalo, for crying out loud! He said to me at the end of the show last week to please come back on "anytime you want." I will take him up on that offer and appear again with him tomorrow (Wednesday). I'm not expecting a dozen roses or make-up sex -- I only want a promise that there will be no more distorted distractions so we can have a decent discussion about the REAL issues like why 18,000 Americans die every year because they don't have a health insurance card. More than 300 of them died this week. As Ehrlichman said to Nixon in "Sicko": "The less care they give 'em, the more money they (the insurance companies) make."

THAT'S the only thing we should be talking about. How profit and greed are killing our fellow Americans. How profit and private insurance have to be removed from our health care system. CNN should join me in asking why our 9/11 rescue workers aren't receiving medical care. Somebody should send a crew to Canada to find out why they live longer than we do, and why no Canadian has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills. And all of the media should start saying how much it costs to go to a doctor in these other top industrialized countries: Nothing. Zip. It's FREE. Don't patronize Americans by saying, "Well, it's not free -- they pay for it with taxes!" Yes, we know that. Just like we know that we drive down a city street for FREE -- even though we paid for that street with our taxes. The street is FREE, the book at the library is FREE, if your house catches on fire, the fire department will come and put it out for FREE, and if someone snatches your purse, the police officer will chase down the culprit and bring your purse back to you -- AND HE WON'T CHARGE YOU A DIME FROM THAT PURSE!

These are all free services, collectively socialized and paid for with our tax dollars. To argue that health care -- a life and death issue for many -- should not be considered in the same league is ludicrous and archaic. And trust me, once you add up what you pay for out-of-pocket in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, overpriced medicines, and treatments that aren't covered (not to mention all the other things we pay for like college education, day care and other services that many countries provide for at little or no cost), we, as Americans, are paying far more than the Canadians or Brits or French are paying in taxes. We just don't call these things taxes, but that's exactly what they are.

See you all when I'm back on CNN tomorrow -- where the discussion will be not be about whose statistics are right, but rather about the guy without insurance who died while I was writing this letter.

Yours,
Michael Moore
[email protected]
www.michaelmoore.com

P.S. Oh... I forgot to tell you about Paris Hilton. Apparently cooped up for too long at home since getting out of jail, she decided to head out for a night on the town. But where does she go? Clubbing? Cruising down the Strip? No! She and her sister decide to go see "Sicko." Now THAT'S news! So, no more bad words about Paris Hilton!


:lol:

Rosa Lichtenstein
17th July 2007, 18:39
Freek, you are being a little hard on Moore; he has done more to publicise this social 'crime' than any of us trots have ever done, and thus probably more to help change such things than anyone has ever done in the US.

PRC-UTE
17th July 2007, 18:43
Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 17, 2007 05:39 pm
Freek, you are being a little hard on Moore; he has done more to publicise this social 'crime' than any of us trots have ever done, and thus probably more to help change such things than anyone has ever done in the US.
I agree with you. And we don't have to endorse his politics to recognise he made a great contribution here. This film will probably be the first time many see Cuban socialism in action (and positively).

His film also explicitly makes the connection between countries that have a weak workers movement(such as the USA) and a strong labour movement (france) and the corresponding differences in living standards.

Tower of Bebel
17th July 2007, 20:31
Ergerlijk hoe die Engelstaligen zich soms moeien in de Nederlandse discussies.

Panda Tse Tung
17th July 2007, 20:38
helemaal als ze niet weten waar het over gaat :).

Iskra
17th July 2007, 22:33
We zouden die buitenlanders uit ons forum moeten schoppen. Het is hier al vol genoeg.

Q
17th July 2007, 22:48
Originally posted by PRC-UTE+July 17, 2007 05:43 pm--> (PRC-UTE @ July 17, 2007 05:43 pm)
Rosa [email protected] 17, 2007 05:39 pm
Freek, you are being a little hard on Moore; he has done more to publicise this social 'crime' than any of us trots have ever done, and thus probably more to help change such things than anyone has ever done in the US.
I agree with you. And we don't have to endorse his politics to recognise he made a great contribution here. This film will probably be the first time many see Cuban socialism in action (and positively).

His film also explicitly makes the connection between countries that have a weak workers movement(such as the USA) and a strong labour movement (france) and the corresponding differences in living standards. [/b]
Engelstalig of niet, gelijk hebben ze wel.

Das war einmal
17th July 2007, 23:27
Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 17, 2007 05:39 pm
Freek, you are being a little hard on Moore; he has done more to publicise this social 'crime' than any of us trots have ever done, and thus probably more to help change such things than anyone has ever done in the US.
I am being hard on Moore? :blink: I totally agree with him!

Das war einmal
17th July 2007, 23:29
These postings are his own mails btw <_< I just posted them here for all to see (if they arent on Moore&#39;s mailing list)

Honggweilo
17th July 2007, 23:46
Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 17, 2007 05:39 pm
Freek, you are being a little hard on Moore; he has done more to publicise this social &#39;crime&#39; than any of us trots have ever done, and thus probably more to help change such things than anyone has ever done in the US.
Wtf are you doing posting outside of Philosophy? and what are you doing posting in the dutch section&#33; Speak dutch or take your english cultural hegemony somewhere else you cultural imperialist &#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

As Freek said, this is Moore&#39;s own response. If you cant read the dutch ellaboration, dont critizise things you dont understand Rosa (that goes for dialectics aswell :rolleyes: :lol: )

Wanted Man
17th July 2007, 23:48
Rosa, Freek was actually concurring with Moore completely. Get a better translator&#33; :P

Q
18th July 2007, 06:38
Maybe a good idea to use the quote tags next time? :P