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Faux Real
15th July 2007, 02:34
Another Cold War it seems, this time capitalist vs capitalist seems--a lose-lose situation for us all. I don't know too much about Putin's policies, but the many protests and anti-govt demonstrations don't seem like he's doing too well, other than bringing back some old USSR nostalgia. Has he not been trying to restore communication with the old bloc? How are his relationship with them? And if not is he looking to use force to annex them into the RF?

He has called out Bush and Co. out several times and rightly so, but this is going a little too far. This is in reaction to the planned missile shield? Is this a preset for a WWIII scenario, that would include Iran? It would have been interesting had a Putin type been leader of the USSR instead of Gorbachev. :rolleyes:


Russia warns it may quit key arms pact in 5 months
By Dmitry Zhdannikov

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia said on Saturday it would suspend its participation in a key pact limiting military forces in Europe in five months' time unless a compromise was found on updating the treaty.

The move follows months of verbal sparring with Europe and Washington on a range of fronts, including U.S. plans for a missile shield in eastern Europe, proposed independence for Serbia's Kosovo province and Moscow's energy policies.

The Kremlin said President Vladimir Putin had signed a decree suspending Russia's role in the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty for reasons of "national security."

NATO, Washington and the European Union expressed regret and disappointment at the Russian move.

The pact was adopted in 1990 to limit the number of tanks, heavy artillery and combat aircraft deployed and stored between the Atlantic and Russia's Ural mountains.

Russia criticizes the West for failing to ratify a version amended to take into account the new post-Cold War situation. Talks last month with NATO states ended without progress.

The pact requires signatories to notify other member states 150 days before suspending participation. The Foreign Ministry said it would start the notification process on Saturday.

"The Russian moratorium on the CFE pact does not mean that we are fully shutting the door to dialogue," it said.

If no solution was found in the five-month period, Russia would stop providing information and stop allowing inspections of its heavy weapons.

"Russian threats have materialized and I don't exclude that more steps could follow," said Yevgeny Volk, the head of the Washington-based Heritage Foundation think-tank.

"If there is no agreement with the United States on the missile shield ... Russia could potentially go ahead with its threats to retarget (at Europe) and redeploy missiles."

SECURITY CORNERSTONE

A NATO spokesman said of the Russian announcement: "If this is confirmed the Secretary General very much regrets this decision. The allies consider this treaty to be an important cornerstone of European security."

A spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said the EU also regretted the Russian move. Britain too called the CFE a "cornerstone" of European security.

"We're disappointed Russia has suspended its participation for now, but we'll continue to have discussions with them in the coming months on the best way to proceed in this area, that is in the interest of all parties involved and provides for security in Europe," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the White House National Security Council.

Poland's Deputy Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski told Reuters the Russian decision was "disconcerting".

"Perhaps this is a pretext, one that may be related to the plans to build the missile shield facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic," he said.

"It could also be related to internal reasons, a way of showing Russia's strength ahead of the presidential campaign."

Putin is due to step down in March 2008, when his second term expires. Anti-U.S. and anti-Western rhetoric traditionally grows in Russia before elections. In February Putin stunned the West by accusing Washington of trying to dominate the world.

Moscow has since threatened to create an OPEC-style gas cartel and deploy missiles in its Western enclave Kaliningrad.

One source of friction over the CFE treaty is NATO's insistence on preserving "flanking arrangements" which ban large concentrations of forces and materiel near some borders.

Russia objects to that provision because it limits Russian troop movements on Russian territory, although Moscow says its border areas have become more unstable since the Soviet Union broke up in 1991.

Russia wants cuts in NATO troop levels in outlying regions to reflect the accession to the alliance of eastern European states bordering Russia since 1990.

NATO states have said treaty changes depend on Russia withdrawing troops from the former Soviet republics of Moldova and Georgia, but Russia rejects any link between the two issues.

Iron
15th July 2007, 20:45
This troubles me, from what i'm reading Russia is trying to increase the size of its military and missile systems, you know Germany took similar steps before WWII. broke arm restriction agreements and militarized regions. very troubling

AnarchJim
17th July 2007, 11:16
the size of its military and missile systems, you know Germany took similar steps before WWII. broke arm restriction agreements and militarized regions. very troubling

Germany found justifications to breaking the Treaty of Versailles as the Allies broke it first, I'm not sure about the specifics but France went about the wrong way of taking over the Ruhr and a fair amount of other details which listing will just take to long, so though they did break the Treaty, they are not soully to blame under the bracket for breaking the guidelines of the Treaty, though I am not saying they had justification for the actions they took, just that they used it to pass actions like starting up an Air Force which due to small amounts of usage during WWI was not considered to be of much importants.

But on the topic of Russia and this new motion which seems to be leading to the fear of either another Cold War or, as it was stated, WWIII, the situations is quite threatening to much of the world, primarily Europe and the remains of the British Empire and with no doubt the U.S will be most likly to take action into another arms race or actual war and if war does come about with the current state of Iraq and the possible participation of Iran the war in the Middle East would probably end up getting caught up into this, though I can't say it will or not for sure. Lets just hope those Capitalist and Monarchist can do their jobs and stop Russia from leaving the CFE Treaty.

Avtomat_Icaro
17th July 2007, 11:41
Why shouldnt Russia step out of that treaty? First of all the treaty was signed with the USSR/Warsaw Pact, not the current incarnation of Russia. Second of all, why should only the current imperialist nations be the only superpower? You got the Americans placing military hardware in their new satallite states, Russia offered to work together with the Americans if this was truly to be used as a shield to protect their allies from countries such as Iran, the US has declined...showing the US might have other reasons than simply protect their lapdogs from Iran. So why shouldnt Russia respond to an increase of military hardware/activity near their borders?

Besides (maybe a bit too harsh/dangerous) we havent had a good war in about 60 years or so, war results in technological development, maybe a new war will cause the developments of new technologies to increase to yet another highpoint. Right now we are simply continuing on already existing technologies which are the result from WWII.