The Evolution of Class Struggle

[Lardlad95]

the History of all man kind can be summed up in class struggle.


Paraphrased but still very correct.

Sitting in Borders Booksstore reading Capital volume I aswell as a history of the african slave trade my mom comes to tell me she's ready to leave.


She strikes up a conversation with me sayg ," You know for the most part Marxism is a failed system"

I respond with the typical, "No system can ever truly fail, not to mention it's a relatively new idea, all systems need time to develop. Fuedalism didn't automaticaly turn into capitalism. RUssia had fuedalism up until the 1700s and even after it still had a monarchy."



Mom,"But the reason that capitalism hasn't fallen is because people will do anything for money"


Me,"so would people underfuedalism, just because they were in lower classes that doens't mean they weren't willing to do things for money"





THen this got me thinking about something my dad had told me a while back.



Dad,"Aaron, it doesn't matter, to me, Socialism, capitalism, communism, it's all the same to me. Because no matter where I live I know I will be fine, I'll find a way to survive"




This also got me thinking about something my uncle said.


Uncle,"Capitalism is driven by fear, because people are afraid to stand up and demand the payment that they've earned, because they know that if they try that there is someone right be hind them willing to take their job. So people are to afraid to demand whats theirs"





SO after I sorted this all out I came to a conclusion.



My dad was right. It shouldn't amtter to the average person. Whether it's capitalism, fuedalism, communism, etc. We should all be able to survive.


But people are so scared of not having a job, people are so scared of not having their so called "freedoms"
That they fail to realize that there is a way to get by in every system.


But instead they buy into the propaganda that is spewed by the capitalist media.


The lower classes have always been driven by fear, fear of kings, fear of poverty, fear of the government.


THey they fail to realize their strength.


THey have survived under anytype of system. It's impossible not to.


But instead they are driven by their fear.



But like my dad said, if you can look a few steps ahead you can survive in any system

[redstar2000]

I agree with your uncle...fear is a big motive in all forms of class society.

I think the key is to transform fear into anger...why should we, after all, have to live in fear of our livelihoods if not our lives?

What is responsible for this outrage?

It is not simply a matter of replacing "evil rulers" with "good rulers"...although that theme crops up over and over again in all class societies. (Think of all the stories about "good kings" and "evil kings", etc.)

When we learn to see clearly that it is the very system of class society that creates relationships based on fear, then we have a real chance to do something about it.

After all, fear is a degrading state to live in...not really fit for a civilized species.

:cool:

[Conghaileach]

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."

Michael Rivero

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 3:19 pm on April 13, 2003
I agree with your uncle...fear is a big motive in all forms of class society.

I think the key is to transform fear into anger...why should we, after all, have to live in fear of our livelihoods if not our lives?

What is responsible for this outrage?

It is not simply a matter of replacing "evil rulers" with "good rulers"...although that theme crops up over and over again in all class societies. (Think of all the stories about "good kings" and "evil kings", etc.)

When we learn to see clearly that it is the very system of class society that creates relationships based on fear, then we have a real chance to do something about it.

After all, fear is a degrading state to live in...not really fit for a civilized species.

:cool:



A good analysis

I think my dad hit on something though


There is no point in being afraid.

He is so positive that he could survive under any system that he wasn't going to allow himself to be played off this fear system.


People aren't even really sure that they are functioning out of fear.


It's like a slave that is so horribly beaten and degraded by his master that they don't even realize how bad the terms under which they are living is.


They have been told that without capitalism they will be an opressed down trodden people


when infact they are now seeing as how they are forced to live under fear

[hazard]

fear is fundamental to capitalism. it sort of filters down from the "top". the ruling class of capitalists are themselves afraid of a communist revolution. in order to subjegate their slaves, they transfer this fear upon them. it is serves as the chains that binds them into place.

and the theory regarding this fear as being illusory is similalrly accurate. all that it will really take is a group of strong minded individuals to shatter this illusion and begin the revolution.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from hazard on 4:32 am on April 16, 2003
fear is fundamental to capitalism. it sort of filters down from the "top". the ruling class of capitalists are themselves afraid of a communist revolution. in order to subjegate their slaves, they transfer this fear upon them. it is serves as the chains that binds them into place.

and the theory regarding this fear as being illusory is similalrly accurate. all that it will really take is a group of strong minded individuals to shatter this illusion and begin the revolution.


However with a large middle class it will be hard to do so in a strong capitalist country like the US where the fear has burrowed too deep into the skin like a tick that wasn't attended to