Capitalist Music

[Never Give In]

I believe that there are Capitalist bands, and there are many of them. This means that they distribute their albums using Capitalism.

But if you obtain a Capitalist band's music via a non-Capitalist method (Lime/Frostwire, Kazaa, Myspace,etc.) is it still Capitalist music?

I think I could listen to Fall Out Boy, and Green Day, and all the others if I got them using non-Capitalist methods. Do you agree?

[Faux Real]

Regardless of the means you get them the content is what determines it. If their lyrics encourage patriotism, buying unnecessary goods, racism, classism, misogyny, and self-indulgence and so on then surely it's capitalist music. Otherwise, lyrics about breaking up, love, anger, etc seem pretty neutral to me.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 12:53 am
Regardless of the means you get them the content is what determines it. If their lyrics encourage patriotism, buying unnecessary goods, racism, classism, misogyny, and self-indulgence and so on then surely it's capitalist music. Otherwise, lyrics about breaking up, love, anger, etc seem pretty neutral to me.
Thanks for your opinion. I half agree with you.

I think it's almost entirely based on by what means the music is obtained is what makes it Capitalist. I don't know any bands that directly advocate Capitalist views, besides the Patriotism in Country music.

(Two more posts to 100 lol)

[A-S M.]

why would you wanna listen to those bands? they're a bunch of hypocrites

[Dr Mindbender]

ive said it before and I'll say it again, if capitalism were a 'musician', this would be his face-

http://sniffwhatistepin.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/simon-cowell.jpg

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by A-S [email protected] 14, 2007 04:02 pm
why would you wanna listen to those bands? they're a bunch of hypocrites
I don't. I happen to hate both. I listen to The Vandals, Lower Class Brats, The Virus, New Mexican Disaster Squad, etc. I was using them as examples of mass-produced bands. In other words, Capitalist bands.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Never Give [email protected] 13, 2007 11:36 pm
I believe that there are Capitalist bands, and there are many of them. This means that they distribute their albums using Capitalism.
If that is what defines "capitalist music" than the vast, vast majority of music is capitalist music.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by FoB+July 14, 2007 05:31 pm--> (FoB @ July 14, 2007 05:31 pm)
Never Give [email protected] 13, 2007 11:36 pm
I believe that there are Capitalist bands, and there are many of them. This means that they distribute their albums using Capitalism.
If that is what defines "capitalist music" than the vast, vast majority of music is capitalist music. [/b]
Yes but if we obtain this music by Limewire, Frostwire, the other P2P file sharers, borrowing from others, and sometimes theft, we could listen to whatever we please without guilt.

[Delta]

Originally posted by Never Give In+July 14, 2007 03:31 pm--> (Never Give In @ July 14, 2007 03:31 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 05:31 pm

Never Give [email protected] 13, 2007 11:36 pm
I believe that there are Capitalist bands, and there are many of them. This means that they distribute their albums using Capitalism.
If that is what defines "capitalist music" than the vast, vast majority of music is capitalist music.
Yes but if we obtain this music by Limewire, Frostwire, the other P2P file sharers, borrowing from others, and sometimes theft, we could listen to whatever we please without guilt. [/b]
Trust me, if you download Christina Aguilara's music illegally then you should have plenty of guilt. I agree with rev0lt, it's the content that matters. But in the case of any music you should download it 'illegally', because it doesn't contribute to capitalism's social hierarchy. Keeping money away from the richest people in the country is fighting for democracy and freedom, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[SandyAnon]

Virtually all music in the first world can be described as "capitalist" and "reactionary" in terms of content.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 11:26 pm
Virtually all music in the first world can be described as "capitalist" and "reactionary" in terms of content.
Pretty much everything played on Clear Channel radio stations, MTV, BET, and VH1, yes.

[Taboo Tongue]

If I go to an Anarchist Rock Concert and receive a Jay-Z CD for free from a comrade; is the CD itself communist or capitalist?


The CD itself is still capitalist crap weather I received it for free from a commie or not. The fact I received it for free does not change the lyrics.

[SandyAnon]

Pretty much everything played on Clear Channel radio stations, MTV, BET, and VH1, yes.

Yes.

Virtually 100% of all amerikkkan music, be it on clear channel or not, is arch-reactionary swill. Amerikkkans are swine. Almost all Amerikkkan music is nothing but oinking.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

forget commerical bands, be it rage against the machine or 50 cent ...... go to local shows at coffee shops or dive bars, the crowds are smaller and the drinks are cheaper .... or better yet ..... play your own music

my personal rule is never pay more then eight dollars for a show or album ....


Almost all Amerikkkan music is nothing but oinking.

euro-techno suxs, american music is the best on the planet ....

[SandyAnon]

Stating the fact that Amerikkkan kkkulture is a pig kkkulture does not in any way imply the embrace of Western European kkkulture. The first world as a whole is rotten to the core and will be wiped out by the proletariat in the third world.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

i take it you're from Omaha?

HA!

[SandyAnon]

i take it you're from Omaha?

That's a pig question. Serious revolutionaries don't volunteer information. We don't make the job of the pigs any easier.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

That's a pig question.

Ha! ya got me i work for the CIA! and my whole plot was to get you to reveal your super secret location so my sharks with laser beams can prevent your impending revolution ..... just kiddin


Serious revolutionaries don't volunteer information.

i wasn't asking billy .... i was implying that you are possibly a self loather who hates western culture because you are most likely a westerner ... maybe from Omaha, Nebraska or Ohio or Iowa City or something ....

we were talking about music not how much you loath American culture or western culture or whatever .... i'll even agree with you that many aspects of culture are messed up in the west but not in this thread (start a new one) ... in this thread however i'm saying you're wrong about American and western music ... i happen to think its the best music in the world .....

we have a difference of opinion, deal with it


We don't make the job of the pigs any easier.

what does make the jobs of police and state authorities easier is when you act like a child or a fool by puffing up and pretending to be a revolutionary by saying things like: " Bahhh! everything from America is reactionary! i am a dirt farmer and its all because of 50 cent and Paris Hilton! (well ... maybe the Hiltons would be accurate)"

and honestly would a "serious revolutionary" such as yourself really be interested in debating a "non-serious, American, first world revolutionary" like me?

oh by the way ..... how is it having a computer in the third world? *sniff* i smell privledge

while the topic is interesting and some music may have a part to play in a revolutionary movement, either in support of capitalism or socialism, most likely it would be a very minor part ..... sorry to break it too ya but revolution is dependent on material conditions not music ....

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by SyndyYnyn+--> (SyndyYnyn)Virtually all music in the first world can be described as "capitalist" and "reactionary" in terms of content.[/b]

Complete nonsense.


Virtually 100% of all amerikkkan music, be it on clear channel or not, is arch-reactionary swill.

Why can't Western hypocrital maoists spell correctly?

And do I really have to make a list of artists who are from the US and are definately not "arch-reactionary"? How the hell can rock 'n' roll, blues, jazz and so be considered "reactionary"? As far as I know they started existing as such in the US and I wouldn't be surprised that if they were from the "third world" myyysts would say they "represent the Proletariate/Masses/People" or some crap like that.


Amerikkkans are swine.

I assume that "Amerikkans" can be translated from Maospeak as "Americans" which means that according to you a large part of this forum's members (not that it matters to you considering that you probably think they are "evil syxyst kkkypytylyst counter-ryvylutionaries"), as well as about 200 million people are "swine" just because of the piece of the planet they were born in. No matter how many idiotic ideas might control that country's inhabitants, stop embarrassing yourself.


The first world as a whole is rotten to the core and will be wiped out by the proletariat in the third world.

Why do you seem to desire for the superstitious, ignorant, underdeveloped third world to somehow use resources they might not even have (as well as time and labour) to build nukes to destroy the evil first world? Also, I guess "first" and "third" world are not always useful terms. I hope this doesn't mean that in my "third world" country the most developed areas will be annihilated by the vengeful proletariat (actually, peasantry I suppose)'s wrath. :lol:

What a bunch of reactionary nonsense.


This thread sucks ass and you all must thank I'm saving it by raising it's intelligence level.


Never Give In
I believe that there are Capitalist bands, and there are many of them. This means that they distribute their albums using Capitalism.

Well, we live in capitalist economies, so everything we do somehow depends on that. If artists want to be listened to they have to accept this, even if they are not "capitalists".

Can you give more examples of "Capitalist bands"? Is Radiohead a "capitalist" band? the Beatles? the Sex Pistols? It seems to me you're rejecting "the mainstream" but not really thinking about it.


we could listen to whatever we please without guilt.

Do you also feel "guilt" if you have to buy capitalist food from capitalist supermarkets? Revolutionary politics are not a religion.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 04:39 am
Stating the fact that Amerikkkan kkkulture is a pig kkkulture does not in any way imply the embrace of Western European kkkulture. The first world as a whole is rotten to the core and will be wiped out by the proletariat in the third world.
Your mother just called, she wants you in bed by 10 tonight!

[Delta]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 15, 2007 10:17 pm

Why do you seem to desire for the superstitious, ignorant, underdeveloped third world to somehow use resources they might not even have (as well as time and labour) to build nukes to destroy the evil first world? Also, I guess "first" and "third" world are not always useful terms. I hope this doesn't mean that in my "third world" country the most developed areas will be annihilated by the vengeful proletariat (actually, peasantry I suppose)'s wrath. :lol:


Yeah, and imagine his confusion when the third-world nukes the first-world into third-world status!

[praxicoide]

I think capitalism is detrimental to art in general, including music, by forcing the artist to produce for the market, and forcing him to turn his creations into commodity.

This doesn't mean that great art cannot be produced, and it does not mean that the economic system and artistic quality will coincide.

[Wurkwurk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 05:46 am
I think capitalism is detrimental to art in general, including music, by forcing the artist to produce for the market, and forcing him to turn his creations into commodity.

This doesn't mean that great art cannot be produced, and it does not mean that the economic system and artistic quality will coincide.
Oh come on, if your fair and partail, its damn sure that a large majority of good music and many styles of amazing art can be found in capitalist countries. I mean, you don't listen to any British music?

Fair and partially, again, how much really spectacular art and music has come out of the Soviet Union and Maoist China? Well, besides some nice propaganda posters, most forms of creativity was curtailed by the government. And in all honesty, East German music is awful.

A free intellectual and liberal environment is key in producing many wonderful works of art and music. Despite being in a shitty economic system, that is! ;)

[praxicoide]

The large majority of countries are capitalists, and these have pretty much the hegemony on what gets heard. I do listen to British music and like it a great deal. I also like music from various different corners of the world.

To western ears, the rest would sound like "world music" or "folk music" because they are not trained to hear it with all its differences. Also, the limited channels for this kind of music and the continuous competion from pop/rock music makes these musicians want to remain even closer to tradition, or all out create a pop hybrid.

Soviet art was wonderful during the first decade or two after the revolution (film, literature, visual arts, architecture, etc), then things sort of got stiffled.

By this point though, I'm not sure how socialist the country was.

The point is that in a liberal country, art would indeed be created in a free environment.

[praxicoide]

double post, whoops!

[Edgar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 07:09 am


Soviet art was wonderful during the first decade or two after the revolution (film, literature, visual arts, architecture, etc)
Indeed. Eisenstein comes to mind.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 05:39 am
Stating the fact that Amerikkkan kkkulture is a pig kkkulture does not in any way imply the embrace of Western European kkkulture. The first world as a whole is rotten to the core and will be wiped out by the proletariat in the third world.
Though this person is banned, I feel the need to get this out.

Shut the fuck up with your "kkk" mao-speak bullshit. America is a damn good country as far as I'm concerned, as in the people and the geography and all that, not the bourgeoise and government. I hate that Anti-American shit, It's Racism no matter how "leftist" it is to hate america. Fuck you, racist piece of shit.

I've always hated that stuff, and I'm happy to have gotten that off my chest. Cheers. Lol.