Running from cops

[bezdomni]

In your experience (of being law-abiding citizens) what have you observed to be good strategies for escaping cops that are persuing you?

[ZeroPain]

Heres what you do:

Walk down the street towards a cop and act like you don't see them, then when your close enough yell "Oh Shit!" and dart away makeing sure to look over your shoulder several times directly at them. At the same time toss a clear plastic bag full of oregano/flour into an ally or some other seemingly convenient location.

Then if they chase you then you can attempt anything you want.
:lol:

But in all seriousness you will not escape on foot unless there are other circumstances such as a crowd or something.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 04:38 pm
But in all seriousness you will not escape on foot unless there are other circumstances such as a crowd or something.
I wouldn't say this absolutely, but it depends on circumstances... your level of physical fitness v. the pig's, street situation in the area (any one ways? alleys?) and how quick they can get other pigs in cars in to the area. If you can use any of those factors to your advantage and get to a good hiding spot, you might pull it off.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Not everyone lives in a big city, so the streets aren't always the only option. Few police will chase you into a wooded area, and even then, few are very good at foot pursuit in those kinds of areas (in my experience, and the experiences of comrades, at least).

[A-S M.]

why would we run from cops...?
they protect us every day and they give us all our freedom...
;)

[which doctor]

I'm guessing crowds are good. It's also a good idea to run when the officer has something else to tend too, and if you are with other people, split up. Try to find a good hiding place, but don't forget the dogs so find a place that masks your smell. If you can't find a good spot, don't stop running. Try to change your appearance if you can.

But then again, what do I know. I've never run from the cops before.

[redterror19]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 11:57 pm
I'm guessing crowds are good. It's also a good idea to run when the officer has something else to tend too, and if you are with other people, split up. Try to find a good hiding place, but don't forget the dogs so find a place that masks your smell. If you can't find a good spot, don't stop running. Try to change your appearance if you can.
Obviously it requires some planning, but changing your appearance is an excellent suggestion. Spies use that tactic in losing their tails. You'd need to be out of sight for at least a little bit and already have some change of clothes on you, whether in a bag, hidden near the changing place, or under your outer clothes. Police often work from general physical descriptions, so if you can change your appearance, you're no longer who they're looking for. Knowing the terrain is important and having more than one escape route can be helpful.

[Red October]

If you can avoid it, don't put yourself in a situation where you are actually in a foot chase with police. Try to evade them with stealth or trickery instead of being in a position where you have to outrun someone who is well trained and most likely very fit. Cops are trained in how to take you down, so it's best to just avoid that. If you're doing anything illegal, it's good to mask up and dress in layers. If the cops come, get out of there, hide, and take off your mask and top layer of clothes. Then try to get out of the area without attracting attention.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Carry a wig and some sun glasses on hand. I think the crowd tactic seems like the most feasible option.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 09:23 pm
Carry a wig and some sun glasses on hand. I think the crowd tactic seems like the most feasible option.
Not everyone always carries a bag to hold their wigs and other disguises. The bottom line is that you should always try to outmaneuver and outsmart the cops instead of trying to outrun them.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 10, 2007 02:26 am
Not everyone always carries a bag to hold their wigs and other disguises. The bottom line is that you should always try to outmaneuver and outsmart the cops instead of trying to outrun them.
I was kidding haha. I think that "a change of clothes" actually sounds ridiculous. It's best, if it's in an urban background, to simply look for crowds, taxis, buses, or maybe the subway.

[bcbm]

I think that "a change of clothes" actually sounds ridiculous.

An outer layer of, say, black clothes can be removed and disposed of in about 20 seconds. If you have on a rather bright, obvious and nice looking change of clothes underneath, you suddenly look very different from what the cops are looking for.

Of course, you shouldn't ever re-congregate in a public place with the group of people you just were doing something with, but I digress...

[midnight marauder]

There isn't an end-all-be-all guide to running from the police. The best advice is to keep yourself in athletic physical condition...as an excellent movie puts it, "run until your muscles burn and your veins pump battery acid. Then run some more."

Most situations which would call for running from police can be solved by good planning. If you need transport to get somewhere, leave your car somewhere away from where you'll be. Go at night. If you have another person with you, take turns playing look-out. Think ahead of time about where you'll go if you need to run. Dress inconspicuosly. Act inconspicuosly. That means don't be noisy. Know the area where you will be as much as you can. Don't carry an idea on you. Or a cell phone. Or anything else that can be used to identify you, or who you're with. It's easier if you dress in dark clothes, like navy, brown, grey, etc, but all black is suicide. If there are cameras, where a hood and a hat, maybe a bandanna. If you have something illegal or something that you don't want a cop to find on you, and you have to run, ditch it. Backpacks work good for this type of thing. If you ditch it somewhere where it isn't obvious, you can come back for it later. Split up. If you're worried about helicopters, go somewhere with a lot of tall buildings. Trying to get away from the police in a car is a bad idea, and you won't win. If you get caught, tell the officers that you will not speak without a lawyer present. If they're being unlawful, get their name and badge number.

There is no catch all solution to winning a race with law enforcement. Plan well and it shouldn't happen. If it does, get out quick. Above all, don't stop running until you know you're safe. That's the only real advice you can get.

[Ultra-Violence]

i have a few good stories one if you and your freinds are being pursued go in seperate drirections if your alone knowing your suroundings is very helpfull if you know your area you will almost most certaintly get away if you dont try going into peoples back yards and look for allyways if your in the suburbs if your in they city theri are alos lots of always and usauly lots of people got into the subway or something or to a crwoded market and thats about all i could think of for right now

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

A bike is always good, ecspecoally if you can get into a park/wooded area etc.
If not crowds, public transport etc.

[seraphim]

Buses, all ways have a good idea of local bus routes, change them often and take ones going in the opposite direction. If you think your being followed either on foot or in a vehicle make three turns in the same direction. If your tail is still there that's NEVER a coincidence.

[Vendetta]

Throw a box of doughnuts in the air, escape in the confusion.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 10, 2007 11:30 am
Throw a box of doughnuts in the air, escape in the confusion.
If only that worked in real life :P

[apathy maybe]

I'm going to go with three suggests here,

One, know your local area, and the area where you are doing your "stuff".
This means scouting it before hand, during the day and at night (things look different at night). Know where all those side streets go, where people on foot or bike can go but cars can't, and so on.

Two, be prepared to remove an out layer of clothing to reveal a colourful one.

Three, if you are with people, split up! (Including if you think you are being watched (for example, if you are shop lifting...).) If they have two people, and there are three of you, well one might get away.


To add to those, here are a couple more suggestions.

One, if you are known, don't immediately go to a place associated with you. In fact, even if you aren't known don't do this. If you are known, the cops will know where to find you. If you aren't, and they follow you, then they will be able to associate that place with you.

Two, if you are caring illegal stuff, dump it discreetly, especially if you are being chased. What I mean by this could simply involve waiting until you are around a corner and out of sight for a few seconds to throw that bag over a wall. To go with this, if you are let off, try and come back later and recover whatever it is, you probably don't want to leave it lying around (be it paint, drugs or a secret plan). To go with that, you might not think you are being chased just yet, simply being watched, the same goes.

To go with the above, if you are simply being watched, don't let on that you know you are being watched. (For example, if shop lifting, act like you had an attack of "conscience".)

A third thing actually, if you are with friends, pretend you don't know them, so that if something happens to you, they can just leave and vis versa. It may sound cruel, but think about it.

One final thing, none of the above is from personal experience (directly anyway :)). So common sense.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 10, 2007 12:51 pm
I'm going to go with three suggests here,

One, know your local area, and the area where you are doing your "stuff".
This means scouting it before hand, during the day and at night (things look different at night). Know where all those side streets go, where people on foot or bike can go but cars can't, and so on.

Two, be prepared to remove an out layer of clothing to reveal a colourful one.

Three, if you are with people, split up! (Including if you think you are being watched (for example, if you are shop lifting...).) If they have two people, and there are three of you, well one might get away.


To add to those, here are a couple more suggestions.

One, if you are known, don't immediately go to a place associated with you. In fact, even if you aren't known don't do this. If you are known, the cops will know where to find you. If you aren't, and they follow you, then they will be able to associate that place with you.

Two, if you are caring illegal stuff, dump it discreetly, especially if you are being chased. What I mean by this could simply involve waiting until you are around a corner and out of sight for a few seconds to throw that bag over a wall. To go with this, if you are let off, try and come back later and recover whatever it is, you probably don't want to leave it lying around (be it paint, drugs or a secret plan). To go with that, you might not think you are being chased just yet, simply being watched, the same goes.

To go with the above, if you are simply being watched, don't let on that you know you are being watched. (For example, if shop lifting, act like you had an attack of "conscience".)

A third thing actually, if you are with friends, pretend you don't know them, so that if something happens to you, they can just leave and vis versa. It may sound cruel, but think about it.

One final thing, none of the above is from personal experience (directly anyway :)). So common sense.
That just about sums up all the good tactics. Of course, I wouldn't know.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by Red October+July 10, 2007 12:48 pm--> (Red October @ July 10, 2007 12:48 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 10, 2007 11:30 am
Throw a box of doughnuts in the air, escape in the confusion.
If only that worked in real life :P [/b]
I think that would make a cop chase you FASTER, if anything. Or he may stop and indulge himself in the doughnuts, enforcing the theory. I gotta try that. Heh.

[A-S M.]

if it would happen that you attack a cop while trying to get away, make sure you don't get caught because they won't believe the "I was pointing at a bird and i accidentaly knocked his teeth out" explaination ^^

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 10:25 pm
In your experience (of being law-abiding citizens) what have you observed to be good strategies for escaping cops that are persuing you?
Purchase some of these from this website-
http://www.ninjutsu.co.za/weapons.htm

http://www.ninjutsu.co.za/caltrops_small.jpg
WEAPON: TETSU-BISHI
DESCRIPTION:
Tetsu-bishi (also known as calthrops) are small metal weapons shaped so that one point is always up. They, like the shuriken, were a weapon used for distraction while fleeing. The ninja would scatter the calthrops behind them and anyone unlucky enough to step on them would not likely continue with the pursuit. They could also be thrown, and dipped in poison like the shuriken.

[Aurora]

Parkour is the discipline of getting from point A to point B in the most efficient manner posible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkour

Also l'art du déplacement and parkour are not the same.

Some people think it is wrong to use Parkour to escape from cops,as a socalist however i can see that the police are in the wrong sometimes and it may become nessesary to use the discipline.
I do not advise anyone to attempt to use parkour is they have not trained vigourously and they are not in good physical condition.Doing so may result in serious injury.
Also if you do choose to start training do not give the discipline a bad name.

[anarchista feminista]

i always find things like this amusing. sure, as an anarchist i believe police are a source of oppression. but just because i disagree with the law doesn't mean i'm going to go out of my way to break it. i do what i feel like, and that may or may not mean breaking the law. i'm not going to give police a reason to chase me because in all honesty, i don't really do many things seen as "wrong" by society and the government. i understand police often find reason to chase leftists. i suppose this all comes down to your record. if you have a good reason to believe that the cops can't find anything wrong with what you've done, don't bother running. just because you don't like cops doesn't mean you can't co-operate. unless you have done something pretty bad. then i guess you run for your life :) just remember cops have pretty good access to resources.

[Axel1917]

I am not sure, as I have never been chased by the pigs. The disguise thing seems to be a good idea. If you are really desperate, perhaps bring along some kind of razor and cut a good deal of your hair off (if time permits) to augment the disguise. Also work out regularly if you have even the slightest hint of thought of having to run from the cops someday.

[Leo]

Running from cops, what works, what doesn't?

I think it is hiding, not running that is decisive.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Sometimes it's running, like if something just went down.

[Black Cross]

It all depends on how badly they want to catch you. If you didn't do much, running will suffice; they're not gonna call for help just because you tossed some pot into the woods and ran, haha.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Marxist-[email protected] 11, 2007 05:10 pm
It all depends on how badly they want to catch you. If you didn't do much, running will suffice; they're not gonna call for help just because you tossed some pot into the woods and ran, haha.
That depends on how much they have to do at the moment. If another crime is committed in the area that needs their attention more than you, they may not pursue. But if they have nothing better to do, they will probably chase you.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Marxist-[email protected] 11, 2007 10:10 pm
It all depends on how badly they want to catch you. If you didn't do much, running will suffice; they're not gonna call for help just because you tossed some pot into the woods and ran, haha.
You obviously do not live in texas. :lol:

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Learn Parkour?

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 01:35 pm
Learn Parkour?
Iv been reasearching it, and it sounds REALLY good. I would love to learn...iv read/watched a few of the moves and tried them in my garden...

Id love to learn it properly

[TC]

This thread is really ridiculous, people have been watching too many pig-glorifying cop movies!

OF COURSE YOU CAN RUN FROM COPS.

Cops are only human, humans who are in all actuality probably older and fatter than you are and probably carrying more stuff.

If you want to avoid arrest more than a cop wants to make one (i.e., you're not like, Osama Bin Laden) theres no reason to think that the cop wont tire of running before you will.

Remember, to chase and catch someone entails not matching their speed but exceeding it in order to close the distance between them and you. Unless coming up against an obstacle, the advantage is with the person being chased not the person doing the chasing.

[Avtomat_Icaro]

And parkour would make even those obstacles obsolete :lol:


Iv been reasearching it, and it sounds REALLY good. I would love to learn...iv read/watched a few of the moves and tried them in my garden...
I really liked it how they put it in the latest James Bond movie. All it takes is practise I guess, maybe try to do martial arts as well, not as in using it for combat but martial arts movements can probably be altered to fit into the parkour :o

[eXacto]

Always strap your ties on tight when going to a demonstration , ... It comes in handy if you have to run. Also try to carry a backpak instead of carrying everything with you in your pockets.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:57 pm

try to do martial arts as well, not as in using it for combat but martial arts movements can probably be altered to fit into the parkour :o
I train in Thai (Muay Thai) Boxing

[Never Give In]

Anybody want to explain Parkour to me quickly? I don't mean to disrupt the thread, I feel the question isn't worth it's own thread anyway.

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Originally posted by Never Give [email protected] 12, 2007 06:26 pm
Anybody want to explain Parkour to me quickly? I don't mean to disrupt the thread, I feel the question isn't worth it's own thread anyway.
http://parkour.net/index.php

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929

I just noticed that a lot of amateur Parkour videos have that same song from the Matrix soundtrack as their background music...that and French hip hop :P

[Aurora]

Parkour is the french discipline of efficient movement,it is about getting from point A to point B in the most efficient and quick manner possible.


Iv been reasearching it, and it sounds REALLY good. I would love to learn...iv read/watched a few of the moves and tried them in my garden...

Id love to learn it properly
I would highly recommend it,if you can,try to contact traceurs(parkour practitioners) in your area because they can teach you alot.But if you cant dont worry too much,just watch tutorial videos on youtube and go out and practice! :)

I really liked it how they put it in the latest James Bond movie. All it takes is practise I guess, maybe try to do martial arts as well, not as in using it for combat but martial arts movements can probably be altered to fit into the parkour
If you can,get a film called District 13,it is the first film largly based around parkour it has the founder of parkour in it.
Well the parkour roll is the same as the judo roll so some martial arts can be incorporated.But the most important thing alot of traceurs learn from martial arts is how to condition there body to a good level.


There is no better feeling than being able to move through your environment with ease :)

[Avtomat_Icaro]

District Banlieu 13? I had it on my computer some time ago, but it was dubbed in English so I got really annoyed (I hate it when they redub movies in a different language than the original)

[Aurora]

Thats the one.Ya i heard the dubbing was really bad on it,appearently David Belle's voice changes to an irish accent half way through :P

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

A spilt for a parkour thread mod??????



another discipline that could be usefull depending on location and the cop chase :lol: Ninjitsu

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

and French hip hop :P [/QUOTE]
MC Solar :lol: :P

[RevSouth]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 10, 2007 03:29 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 10, 2007 03:29 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 10:25 pm
In your experience (of being law-abiding citizens) what have you observed to be good strategies for escaping cops that are persuing you?
Purchase some of these from this website-
http://www.ninjutsu.co.za/weapons.htm

http://www.ninjutsu.co.za/caltrops_small.jpg
WEAPON: TETSU-BISHI
DESCRIPTION:
Tetsu-bishi (also known as calthrops) are small metal weapons shaped so that one point is always up. They, like the shuriken, were a weapon used for distraction while fleeing. The ninja would scatter the calthrops behind them and anyone unlucky enough to step on them would not likely continue with the pursuit. They could also be thrown, and dipped in poison like the shuriken. [/b]
You can do better, and cheaper for that matter, if you weld (four) nails together, in my opinion. Or if you know someone who can weld. Also, I would think calthrops work better for car pursuits anyhow.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

A bike

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 10:25 pm
In your experience (of being law-abiding citizens) what have you observed to be good strategies for escaping cops that are persuing you?

This is a pretty vague question, I mean if you get caught drawing a mustache on a campaign poster (which is illegal where I come from) they probably won't chase you far, if at all, but if you get caught doing something really stupid you obviously won't get away that easy. The Best Idea is to cut through Parks or Schoolyards and avoid the main road as well as avoiding dead end (for pedestrians at least, if you have a car chasing after you a backalley of a small off-road path is a pretty good route) Also it's a good Idea to make sure you have a bike nearby you can use.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by RedSouth+July 13, 2007 03:10 am--> (RedSouth @ July 13, 2007 03:10 am)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 10, 2007 03:29 pm

[email protected] 09, 2007 10:25 pm
In your experience (of being law-abiding citizens) what have you observed to be good strategies for escaping cops that are persuing you?
Purchase some of these from this website-
http://www.ninjutsu.co.za/weapons.htm

http://www.ninjutsu.co.za/caltrops_small.jpg
WEAPON: TETSU-BISHI
DESCRIPTION:
Tetsu-bishi (also known as calthrops) are small metal weapons shaped so that one point is always up. They, like the shuriken, were a weapon used for distraction while fleeing. The ninja would scatter the calthrops behind them and anyone unlucky enough to step on them would not likely continue with the pursuit. They could also be thrown, and dipped in poison like the shuriken.
You can do better, and cheaper for that matter, if you weld (four) nails together, in my opinion. Or if you know someone who can weld. Also, I would think calthrops work better for car pursuits anyhow. [/b]
try stepping on one and come back to me. Besides, if you use the ancient ninja method of dipping the tips in poison, it makes sure whoever was chasing you doesnt make another attempt :lol: :P

[NorthStarRepublicML]

This thread is really ridiculous, people have been watching too many pig-glorifying cop movies!

OF COURSE YOU CAN RUN FROM COPS.

Cops are only human, humans who are in all actuality probably older and fatter than you are and probably carrying more stuff.

If you want to avoid arrest more than a cop wants to make one (i.e., you're not like, Osama Bin Laden) theres no reason to think that the cop wont tire of running before you will.

Remember, to chase and catch someone entails not matching their speed but exceeding it in order to close the distance between them and you. Unless coming up against an obstacle, the advantage is with the person being chased not the person doing the chasing.

for once we agree on something ....

yes it is very possible to run from the cops, the most important step is to actually run, don't try any of the fancy disguise, change buses, turn and fight shit .... hopping a fence or two will deter most of them .... as TC pointed out alot of cops are less inclined to catch you then you are inclined to get away ....

like the lion and the gazelle .... the lion chases merely because he is hungry, the gazelle runs because he is running for his life ...

and remember that although the cop might even pull out his gun and shout "stop or i'll shoot" he rarely will, especially if he has already identified you as unarmed .... also if you have ever tried to hit a moving target (especially in the dark) you know its no easy task ...

and if they were to shoot .... my god, the paperwork, the questions, the utter hassle he will be subjected to .... shooting people is one of the last things your average cop wants, now don't get me wrong there are some crazy mad dog cops out there who are just itching to blast someone but they are for the most part rare ....

usually the best time to run from a cop is when there is three of you to every one cop, split up and two of you are guaranteed to get away. the buddy system, my father always used to say when swimming in the ocean you should swim with a buddy, so when the shark comes he hopefully starts eating on your buddy and you swim away ....

but honestly there is no special strategy concerning running from cops except to go for it .... it is not as difficult as it looks on the show Cops .... and i can attest that cops chase you with a lot less enthusiasm when the cameras aren't around ....

[Komet]

Originally posted by Avtomat_Icaro+July 12, 2007 07:07 pm--> (Avtomat_Icaro @ July 12, 2007 07:07 pm)
Never Give [email protected] 12, 2007 06:26 pm
Anybody want to explain Parkour to me quickly? I don't mean to disrupt the thread, I feel the question isn't worth it's own thread anyway.
http://parkour.net/index.php

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929

I just noticed that a lot of amateur Parkour videos have that same song from the Matrix soundtrack as their background music...that and French hip hop :P [/b]
That video on Google Videos isn't parkour, flips aren't generally part of parkour because they are rarely the most efficient way to get somewhere.

[acornsr4squirrels]

i've never had a pig wanna catch me enough to actually justify getting out of his car, so my strategy has always been to just get out of the road and avoid being ran over. but that's a small town, and the pigs here are permanently attached to the seats. for example: a couple of my friends were arrested for loitering on public property, put in a pig car, and driven next door (about 20 feet) to the station.

but i think the biggest thing about running from the pigs is knowing your surroundings. Parkour can probably also help this, since you'll learn the area even better than before. I've done parkour for a few months, and now I know the quickest way to just about anywhere... which brings me to my question:

If you're running, and you can make it to a friend's home (or other friendly private property) and go inside, can the pigs go inside or do they have to get a search warrant or something?

[The_Truth]

I have had a couple of experiencese with cops chasing me. If they want to catch you they will.

One time we were drinking beers in the woods and we saw a bunch of cops and we all bolted thinking they were there for us. After we all split up we realized they had surrounded the whole woods and were slowing combing through them with dogs. Police officers armed with M-14s and shotguns apprehended us. After being searched and questioned we found out they were looking for a murder suspect in the aparments next door who had fleed into the woods we were drinking in.

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 06:43 pm
i've never had a pig wanna catch me enough to actually justify getting out of his car, so my strategy has always been to just get out of the road and avoid being ran over. but that's a small town, and the pigs here are permanently attached to the seats. for example: a couple of my friends were arrested for loitering on public property, put in a pig car, and driven next door (about 20 feet) to the station.

but i think the biggest thing about running from the pigs is knowing your surroundings. Parkour can probably also help this, since you'll learn the area even better than before. I've done parkour for a few months, and now I know the quickest way to just about anywhere... which brings me to my question:

If you're running, and you can make it to a friend's home (or other friendly private property) and go inside, can the pigs go inside or do they have to get a search warrant or something?
I'm not sure about America, but in Belgium they need special permission to enter a house.
Funny anecdote: a group of people had been squatting some buildings in a street in a small village for a while, the plan was to tear down all the buildings and put new ones, but there was an old lady who didn't want to move, so they couldn't do anything, whenever the squatters got evicted, they allways ran to the old lady's house, who refused to let the cops in :P .

[acornsr4squirrels]

my first guess would be that in the US the cops have to have a search warrant or something to enter private property, but there might be some clause saying that they can do so if they are in "hot pursuit" or whatever.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

my first guess would be that in the US the cops have to have a search warrant or something to enter private property, but there might be some clause saying that they can do so if they are in "hot pursuit" or whatever.

its called probable cause .... then yes they can enter .... but only if they actually see you get into the house ....

but i would suspect that most of them wouldn't enter anyway, just hang around outside for a couple of minutes or question the homeowner ....

[NorthStarRepublicML]

opps .... (deleted double post)

[midnight marauder]

my first guess would be that in the US the cops have to have a search warrant or something to enter private property, but there might be some clause saying that they can do so if they are in "hot pursuit" or whatever.

In the United States, police officers are required to have (and show you on your request) a search warrant signed by a judge in order to enter your house. As a general rule of thumb, if the police have an immidiate reason why they would need to enter your place of residence (like, say, someone is screaming inside or they are chasing you and you go inside) they can enter legally. Furthermore, if you're arrested inside your house, the police may search nearby areas without a warrant.

You do NOT have any obligation to let a police officer into your home if they do not present you with a signed warrant.

There is, of course, a bit of a grey area in the USA PATRIOT Act and FISA secret court era, but this should stand for most cases. Where it doesn't, you're fucked anyway.

From wiki,

"In special cases covered by FISA (amended by the USA PATRIOT Act), the warrants may come from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) instead of a common Federal or State Court. FISC warrants are not public record and therefore are not required to be released. Other warrants must be released, especially to the person under investigation.

A second complaint against Sneak-and-Peek searches is that the owner of the property (or person identified in business/library records) does not have to be told about the search. There is a special clause that allows the Director of the FBI to request phone records for a person without ever notifying the person. For all other searches, the person must be notified, but not necessarily before the search. The judge providing the warrant may allow a delay in notification when there is risk of:
endangering the life or physical safety of an individual;
flight from prosecution;
destruction of or tampering with evidence;
intimidation of potential witnesses; or
otherwise seriously jeopardizing an investigation or unduly delaying a trial.

The delays are on average 7 days, but have been as long as 90 days. [1] Section 213, which federal agencies report they have used 155 times since 2001, does not expire later this year like other USA PATRIOT Act provisions.

The American Civil Liberties Union argues that the term "serious jeopardy" is too broad "and must be narrowly curtailed."[8]

However, "sneak and peek" searches have been in use for a long time in criminal cases. Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act was intended to bring the monitoring of foreign powers and the agents of foreign powers into line with such criminal legislation. The main difference between criminal and FISA delayed notification on search warrants is that FISA warrants use a different legal standard when approving such orders (they use reasonable cause, not probable cause)."

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intel...nce_Act_of_1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...veillance_Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Co urt)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act

[KappaDelta]

Use yards. I've evaded police (entirely in a friendly game of tag, of course) through backyards several times. If you're in a heavily urban environment, get into an alley and beat it. If the copper's on horseback, you're fucked unless you can get onto a roof or into a building with a back entrance to get out of, but cars are easy to dodge. He chases you, you stop, he stops, you run over/around/whathaveyou his car and he can't turn the thing around. If he's on foot, well, quite honestly, the cops are fucking lazy as shit.
1) Bullet proof vest. Ten-twenty pounds.
2) Gun belt with tazer, 9mm, mace, and extendible baton. 1-5 pounds.
3) The fatass who cruises in his car all day long, every day, because walking beat cops no longer exist. Priceless.
Remember these things. Then take into account that you're running for what may be your life, and he's running for a job.
Cops are easy to evade. Really easy. Just don't be stupid. Stay physically fit, and don't try to pull any crazy stunts that you don't think you can manage. A good rule of thumb is that if it doesn't come naturally, you haven't practiced enough to pull it off in a pinch. I've evaded cops up trees, but I've been climbing for the better part of ten years, and I know I can shimmy thirty feet in under twenty seconds straight up, utilizing only a bear hug with no hand holds. The key is to get into your element and then stay there. Dodge around a corner and then POOF! You're out of sight when the cop comes around and on top of the roof overlapping the street. You're thirty feet up the telephone pole. You're over a fence. You've slipped inside a hedgerow. Anywhere but close enough to tackle, taze, or mace. Bamf, you're gone. They write you off and set up a patrol, which takes roughly five minutes to begin, and will be around in force for twenty, and will slowly ease off over the next hour or two.

Take the back way home.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:53 am
Buses, all ways have a good idea of local bus routes, change them often and take ones going in the opposite direction. If you think your being followed either on foot or in a vehicle make three turns in the same direction. If your tail is still there that's NEVER a coincidence.
[QUOTE]

I was arrested when I ran into a wooded park with a bike path. What sucks is since I wasn't thinking I could've taken a nearby express bus into the suburbs! I would have been across town in 20 minutes! :angry:

[piet11111]

if your out in the woods you could try to cross small streams pigs hate to get their feet wet.

also dogs cant follow your scent if you walk through the water.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Do track

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

also dogs cant follow your scent if you walk through the water.

Not true, they can pick up your sent on the other side of small waterways (creeks, streams).. it's only if you cross a large body of water that throws them off (i.e. a river.. a lake is not so good, because the dog will just circle around the perimeter until it picks up your scent somewhere else).

[piet11111]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 29, 2007 06:15 am

also dogs cant follow your scent if you walk through the water.

Not true, they can pick up your sent on the other side of small waterways (creeks, streams).. it's only if you cross a large body of water that throws them off (i.e. a river.. a lake is not so good, because the dog will just circle around the perimeter until it picks up your scent somewhere else).
walk into the stream and stay in it while heading up/down stream for a fairly long distance.

the cops would have to search up and down stream on both sides if they want to find your sent.
needless to say that the longer you walk in the water the harder its going to be for the pigs to find you.

[dez]

brazilian "pivetes" stash weapons and clothing in gardens and hidden places in urban areas (such as the side of a dumpster) for a while, rob people, try running from the police and then if they escape (which they frequently don't, and they pretty much live in the street and did "parkour" way before it officially existed) they go to that place and change clothing.
Police here chases them on horses, bikes, foot and vans full of cops with shotguns loaded with rubber(like a huge drive-by). They go with the van's doors open, and chase the person on the street if they find.
My guess is that the ones that escape are either the ones that manage to stay in the shadows for long enough to trade clothing and get out of the area unnoticed, or the ones that find a buddy in a car that gives them a ride.
Either way, police wins most of the time.
Best way to avoid the cops is to do whatever you have to do without raising suspicion.

[Dr Mindbender]

Use a cardboard box. It always works in Metal Gear Solid! :lol:
http://www.geektika.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/mgs2_box.jpg

[Cybercide]

Originally posted by Avtomat_Icaro+July 12, 2007 07:07 pm--> (Avtomat_Icaro @ July 12, 2007 07:07 pm)
Never Give [email protected] 12, 2007 06:26 pm
Anybody want to explain Parkour to me quickly? I don't mean to disrupt the thread, I feel the question isn't worth it's own thread anyway.
http://parkour.net/index.php

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929

I just noticed that a lot of amateur Parkour videos have that same song from the Matrix soundtrack as their background music...that and French hip hop :P [/b]
hmmm should look into Parkour looks interesting.

only discipline I know is Hapkido... not so good for running away.

[guerilla E]

It will be RARE to make a get away on foot from police;
- Police will generally aim at cordoning off a specific area
- Police cars work in conjunction with foot/K9 patrols
- Suburbs the worst, their grid structure gives perfect sweeping grounds
- Police will not give up without certainty that you have either holed up deep inside the search zone or have moved into a different area
- Police will use CCTV if required, even later just to check how you got away.
- I've yet to hear of a group who've gotten away without a single person nailed, at the time or afterwards.
-Police can RUN. Big Pigs wont even try, but the ones that do are scary.

Try not to shit in places where you don't know the surroundings; plan it, map it and know the routes of transport. Police do NOT like chasing people who;
- Jump fences (bigger the better, aim to impress)
- Hide under cars, inside dumpsters (be creative)
- Enter/Exit buildings randomly (try places with multiple exits)
- Push through large crowds
- Take risks; climb heights, jump from stupid places, cross dangerous areas
- Seem to already know where they're going/know all the little alleys
- Backtrack; it is true that K9 dogs can get confused about who they're chasing if you backtrack over where the police have come through.

Police are experienced, know what they are doing and have done it a hundred times per cop. Us, on the other hand, generally get only 1 or 2 shots at it. Simply put; try to avoid being in the situation in the first place because it can be dangerous, it can place others at risk and can make things worse for when you are caught.

[Alenichev]

If you're chased by horses you're fucked.
I was twice, both at a football match with some riots. They are fucking mad I tell you, they'll come running straight at ya for no particular reason.
1) If they are just there to scare you (like at riots), stand behind a tree. It's the safest way since I have never seen a horse run through a tree.
2) If they are there to get -you-, running has no use, just a waste of energy. Running up some stairs has worked for me, but I think jumping over fences will also do.

[Comrade Rage]

Guerrilla E's post just gave me an idea: shouldn't we have running workshops every time we plan an action?

It seems like a good idea.

[guerilla E]

Running workshop is a good idea actually; maybe even do a test run at an area where you know there'll be an action. But that kinda stuff requires a disciplined group, problem with that is it also draws attention and most people see it as being paranoid.

Maybe create a handbook? Or collective knowledge of police tactics, respective of country.

I mean most of us here know police equipment and details well enough to write informed posts about respective country's police forces, their ups n downs and tips for would be international (or domestic) activists.

[Red_Pride]

If you jump into a river you can easily swim four or five miles with the current. :)

Not to mention have any of you seen the amount of vegetation on the sides of rivers, you can hide in all those sticks/logs/grass and stuffs.

[MarxSchmarx]

I'll premise all I have to say on assuming you're in the EU, North America, Australia/New Zealand or Japan.


i'm not going to give police a reason to chase me

This is totally true. Running from the cops in the sense of trying to dart away is never, ever worth the risk. In most jurisdictions it is illegal to do so. Thus, even if you haven't broken a law, running away can quickly land you in the slammer.


It will be RARE to make a get away on foot from police;
- Police will generally aim at cordoning off a specific area
- Police cars work in conjunction with foot/K9 patrols
- Suburbs the worst, their grid structure gives perfect sweeping grounds
- Police will not give up without certainty that you have either holed up deep inside the search zone or have moved into a different area
- Police will use CCTV if required, even later just to check how you got away.
- I've yet to hear of a group who've gotten away without a single person nailed, at the time or afterwards.
-Police can RUN. Big Pigs wont even try, but the ones that do are scary.

Also totally true. And they can call for backup. When people run, the police assume the worse about the person running.


just because you don't like cops doesn't mean you can't co-operate.

By "cooperate", the poster does NOT mean blabbering to the cops about everything. Believe me, cops are people too, and the most inane statement can be misinterpreted, misconstrued, or even manipulated. Part of their job is to find potential inconsistencies, and most people have a knack for talking themselves into all sorts of knots.

DO NOT SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY (like your name, d.o.b, "I want my phone call", etc...) WITHOUT A LAWYER. In all the societies mentioned above, those bourgeois RIGHTS come in great handy, and they are respected in the overwhelming majority of cases. Odds are they will be in yours too.

The bottom line of these posts is that don't get yourself in more trouble than you already might be in. Lie low and don't do anything stupid. Don't try to break more laws, and don't try dart or talk your way out of a bad situation. It only makes things much, much worse. Especially if you are a law-abiding citizen who has done nothing wrong.

Bottom line: assuming you're not in Zimbabwe or Burma, our cause CAN be advanced without breaking the law.

[eXacto]

So for the question about breaking into your house ....In Belgium they can't do that without a search warrant but there are exceptions , one of them is if they suspect you are using or dealing illegal drugs in that house at that moment , then they can enter wothout permission.

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:18 am
DO NOT SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY (like your name, d.o.b, "I want my phone call", etc...) WITHOUT A LAWYER. In all the societies mentioned above, those bourgeois RIGHTS come in great handy, and they are respected in the overwhelming majority of cases. Odds are they will be in yours too.

Damm right, most people think they're smart enough to talk themselves out of trouble AFTER being caught - this is wrong.
Criminal convictions rely on the 'beyond doubt' rule (in australia, england, nz) which means police MUST gather evidence to the point where there is NO doubt you were the guy who committed the crime.
The best way to do this? Make the suspect talk out the evidence. Get him to contradict himself, draw out small details, trap him, divide the group and get people to point a finger.

Don't talk about anything, only with a fully informed lawyer - which means tell your lawyer everything honestly. If you don't open your mouth to the police it makes their job tenfold difficult.
If you are with a group - collective responsibility, the statement 'we did it' is an under-rated and unappreciated defense that hinders the police. Police can't charge everyone with throwing a single brick, court won't accept that, they have to divide most charges depending on offender.

Don't be an idiot and help out the police; if they need your help it means they haven't got much to go on in the first place.

Actually, dont be an idiot and get caught. Especially if your the type to break under pressure.

[Freigemachten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:57 pm
And parkour would make even those obstacles obsolete :lol:


Iv been reasearching it, and it sounds REALLY good. I would love to learn...iv read/watched a few of the moves and tried them in my garden...
I really liked it how they put it in the latest James Bond movie. All it takes is practise I guess, maybe try to do martial arts as well, not as in using it for combat but martial arts movements can probably be altered to fit into the parkour :o
No, no, not martial arts. If you really want to get good with Parkour, learn some gymnastics. I know a lot of martial artists and a lot of gymnasts, not gonna lie, the gymnasts are all stronger and more capable than the MA guys, especially when it comes to the sort of awkward tasks parkour will have you doing.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 10:25 pm
In your experience (of being law-abiding citizens) what have you observed to be good strategies for escaping cops that are persuing you?
DONT LOOK AT THEM AT ALL
IF THEY WHANT TO SEARCH YOU JUST SAY "OK DO YOUR BUSINES"
DONT PRETENDING NAIVE OR SMART JUST SAY WHAT THEY WHANT TO HEAR
IF YOU SMOKE WEED AND THEY CAUGHT YOU JUST SAY FALSE NAME OF THE DEALER AND THEY WILL LET YOU GO

[spartan]

if you have a gun then shoot the fuckers! they should stop running after you then. full stop :D

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 07:40 pm
if you have a gun then shoot the fuckers! they should stop running after you then. full stop :D
... and when they send in the chopper, you just take it down with your rocket launcher.

[spartan]

:D exactly An archist exactly.

[Raúl Duke]

Someone has been playing a little to much GTA lately...

;)

[Saint Street Revolution]

You are under no obligation to say anything. I just say "I plead the 5th, officer." (I dunno if it's slang everywhere, but around here it refers to the 5th amendment.) And if they go to search you, just step back and say "You'll need a warrant." and if he gets on the radio or any other distraction afterwards, dart out. Otherwise, refuse to speak and don't allow him to search you. That's if you have contraband, of course. If not, then let him without objection. You have nothing to hide.

[The-Spark]

Well my personal expierence as a law abiding expierence, you should run to a seemingly non busy street, maybe ditching a specific pieces of clothing etc and then once you hit a main street again, you walk, act casual, look straight, give confused looks at cops with sirens on and such, and act as if it is none of your business. than walk to closest place where you can talk shelter and lay low.

[guerilla E]

Shoot the chopper?

Look up Julian Knight.

He showed the world it is possible to force a chopper to land by shooting at it.

Also some tips for the aussies or brits (dunno how other countries do it);
Cops cant search your clothing without permission if you are NOT under arrest. The procedure is that they ask you to carry the search for them, as in they will search you by proxy. Ask you to empty your pockets, hand over clothing (which, if voluntarly handed over, is up for inspection by cops) open bags, containers etc.
If you are not under arrest you can refuse, it is a gamble though. Some police officers are lazy enough to try and intimidate you but not take it up to an arrest (paper worrrrk) but refusing will most likely get you detained or arrested.

Just do what all revs do and wear an army surplus jacket; two layers and over 20 different pockets to search. Fun for the family, fun for the police!

Remember the police are there to serve and protect.*


*the interests of the rich and powerful.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by guerilla E
Just do what all revs do and wear an army surplus jacket; two layers and over 20 different pockets to search. Fun for the family, fun for the police!

"Here you go, Officer...good luck. Oh my god, it's my dog! Whoa..he's dead."

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 01:24 am

"Here you go, Officer...good luck. Oh my god, it's my dog! Whoa..he's dead."
"Sir would you mind explaining why you have your dead dog inside your jacket?" -Pig
"Wait! False alarm officer, its not my dog...phew!"

[ack]

On changing your clothes:

If you're wearing a jacket, flip it inside out.

Which may draw more attention, depending on the jacket.

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 12:29 am
On changing your clothes:

If you're wearing a jacket, flip it inside out.

Which may draw more attention, depending on the jacket.
Jacket flipping must be in context with the area you are in - for example, do not flip your jacket onto its inner bright red side if you are running through the business district of your city at lunchtime. The black and blue suits will outline your ass and anyone with a line of sight can track you.

There are specific jackets with the function of reverse colours - ie black to white, red to yellow. These are perfect for situations where you are surrounded with similar dressed people as on looking police will not be able to pick you out from afar.

[Ricardo]

Alright, this may sound really stupid, but if i have no record, and wanted practice from running from the cops, would it be illegal to run from a cop if a cruiser passes you (my friend was once walking down a main street in a suburb, and a cop stopped on the side of him, so he took off, and the policeman chased , apprehended, and searched him,) I don't see how it would be illegal if you weren't doing anything wrong. So, would it ber a bad idea to run from the cops just for fun?

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 02:29 pm
Alright, this may sound really stupid, but if i have no record, and wanted practice from running from the cops, would it be illegal to run from a cop if a cruiser passes you (my friend was once walking down a main street in a suburb, and a cop stopped on the side of him, so he took off, and the policeman chased , apprehended, and searched him,) I don't see how it would be illegal if you weren't doing anything wrong. So, would it ber a bad idea to run from the cops just for fun?
Depends on where you are mate; in some places police might give you a fucking hard time and pin random shit onto you just because you ran - in other places you'll get a beating (i'm being dead serious) or pushed around, might even get taken to the cop shop for detention whilst they do a 'background check and other procedures'.

I would never recommend testing the police, because they can and most likely will abuse the shit out of you for it. You could try it if you are confident, but I doubt in most places (well australia or turkey anyway) you'll get in any official shit. Just watch out for the shit mentioned above mate.

And you'll never be able to push yourself to the limits of when your really running from cops as a 'fucked or not fucked' matter. Good luck ;)

[fashbash]

in the UK, if ur running in the city u have no chance. after being radiod cops can pick u up on cctv and follow ur movements live. Plus, security guards in stores are all on the same radio frequency, so you might find yourself running into an ambush like i did. ur best bet is to run down an alley and fight your way out, but in that situation, dont stop until one of you is unconcious.

[guerilla E]

Exactly; UK is a BAD place to pull a runner unless you know what your doing or its pre-planned. I pay my respect to comrades from the UK because it seems like a fuckin grand challenge to get away with anything there.

Other bad places;
Central Business District of Melbourne - best chances are to utilize the newly developed areas, parks and back alleys in the 'litte collins st' type streets. No cameras in the southern areas experiencing development. Melbourne has a lot of undercover police, with or without K-9 (look for groups with a single dog around Flinders St. Station), as well as well organized police car & foot patrols. Don't use cars or vehicles until your out of the area because police have been known to use CCTV to track and identify license plates of suspect cars. The further out from CBD, the higher chances of police being fuck all effective in doing anything remotely threatening.

Taksim Square - only dangerous in the square area as there are hidden civil police, riot police detachments, motorcycle squads, K-9 units, motorized patrols ALL on stand-by. Best route of getting the hell out is backstreets leading down towards Karakoy (the place becomes a maze, no CCTV, narrow alleys) or dive into Sisli backstreets (where police can be least of your worries if at night). Anything political based gets a free response from two bus loads of 'Agile Special Police Force' (Cevik Kuvet), as well as motorcycle-swarms of cops and normal cars. They take that shit, even postering, seriously enough to chase you well into the night, and comrades have been known to get the shit kicked out of them at police stations then released without charge (and most comrades from Turkey can back that up) for minor stuff like postering or leafleting.

Remember - Security Guards cannot touch you on the street, but they can in carparks or private property - any guard who messes with you on the street, you can press charges, but don't be stupid enough to parade around thinking your untouchable in a business carpark... a friend of a friend, lets say, ended up in Sandringham Police Station due to this mistake (not me!) Fucking Coles...

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 10:36 pm
in the UK, if ur running in the city u have no chance. after being radiod cops can pick u up on cctv and follow ur movements live.
yep and they have helicopters and shit. You see them all the time on those police chase video shows. Airborne wankers. Gimme one of these!
http://www.cmdc.us/Images/Photos/stinger_03.jpg
:lol:

[Comrade Rage]

Ulster Socialist, what is the name of that magnificent weapon so I can check it out?

[acornsr4squirrels]

It's a FIM-92 Stinger, isn't it? And it only costs $38,000!

[apathy maybe]

Some advise in areas with lots of CCTV or the like.

Don't change clothes in the street in view of a CCTV (and they are around...), dash into an alley, change and then go out the way you came in (walking) (unless the cops are right behind you...). Go into a public toilet (unless it is some fucked place you have to pay...) and change.

Go into a shop or library that you know doesn't have CCTV, change, go out a different door.

Basically, you are running, you are hiding. If you can throw them off the scent (by running down an alley, 'round the corner, change your clothes and then walk the other way), you might just win. Especially if they don't get a good look at your face, clothes, hats or bags are what they watch for.

You can change your appearance by letting down your hair and hiding your cap. But again, watch for CCTV and similar.

[AGITprop]

ive been at demonstrations before and weve been chased by pigs but only the ones in riot gear and helmets blah blah blah. they still run fucking fast so hope ur good on ur feet from the ones who dont have any extra weight. but no they actually werent arresting anyone just trying to disperse us. but fuck they did hit with their sticks.

[guerilla E]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 12:01 am
ive been at demonstrations before and weve been chased by pigs but only the ones in riot gear and helmets blah blah blah. they still run fucking fast so hope ur good on ur feet from the ones who dont have any extra weight. but no they actually werent arresting anyone just trying to disperse us. but fuck they did hit with their sticks.
those motherfuckers can run!
i've heard that some riot forces employ cooling agents/gels to make sure their riot police don't overheat in the summer (i think this was the case in G8, since the weather was stupid hot sometimes, the german greens and blacks were wearing like tank-heavy riot gear, but never sweating or looking messed up), so this can add to their short charge ability.

I know police in Turkey DONT use cooling agents because they cant run for shit in the hot weather, some of them even wear only t-shirts underneath riot gear, so i think a good piece of advice is to judge the weather and its impact on police responses.

[ellipsis]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 09, 2007 11:04 pm
Not everyone lives in a big city, so the streets aren't always the only option. Few police will chase you into a wooded area, and even then, few are very good at foot pursuit in those kinds of areas (in my experience, and the experiences of comrades, at least).
and mine as well. that's vermont living for yah

[crimsonzephyr]

these might help...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Instant-Caltrops/