How to get communism back on its feet...?

[Nick Yves]

How do you think it will happen? The only 'communist' countries left really are cuba and china, both of wich I understand arent doing very well...do to capitalists...So how do you think Communism would make a comeback? After capitalism completely falls, or what? Or maybe if Russia tries it again?

[Blibblob]

China is basically capitalist. Cuba is boycotted and hated by the capitalists. Like we've said(actually quite a bit), we need to get our heads out of our asses and do something. You first. lol

[Iepilei]

many ex-commie nations are wearing down. the first attempt at communism was the trail-blazing. we have learned by our errors, and ultimately we will establish ourselves again - any remaining old communist nation will probably adapt to the new policies.

however, what must be done to get the movement going again is education. education everywhere, the states, europe, canada, anywhere and everywhere that dissention may spread.

[Boris Moskovitz]

We can always invade a random country, customize communism so it can get better, and force the people to be that way XD. Which country?

[synthesis]

I think that the socialist movement of the 21st century is going to have to develop an entirely original form of implementing Marxism suitable to the political changes after the Cold War.

In other words - I don't think Leninism is politically viable any longer. The reason it was able to spread so far and wide was because the Soviet Union was always there to encourage developing countries doing so. As America no longer has such a potent rival to keep it in check, it is effectively the strongest entity in the world.

[Boris Moskovitz]

True, but we need to find the best form we could get. I, personnally, prefer Anarcho-Communism, but there are so many choices. The thing that's for sure, is that the only people who want Anarchism, or A-C, would be civilians, I seriously doubt that there are any Anarchist politicians, wouldn't you think it's ironic?
Anyways, all we need is to know what the people want, and if they want the wrong things, then screw them. Those puppets are still plugged in their own 'Matrix'.
All I know is that Communism will get a come back. I am sure.

PS: Isn't Vietnam also communist? Or sre they turning out like the China? I doubt it...

[Iepilei]

there are five remaining: Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, China, and North Korea

[Boris Moskovitz]

China is a capital, they don't deserve to be in the cool club, they are just a bunch of narks, they've changed, they used to be cool!

[ComradeJunichi]

There are actually more. Cuba, North Korea, Moldova, China, Vietnam, Laos, and such. There are also left leaning countries and populist countries...such as Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador, and etc.

Hm, how to bring back socialism today - Bloody Revolution. :biggrin:

[thursday night]

Moldova has it's Communist Party elected as the governing party. Let us hope that they will remain the power for many years to come.

And who said Cuba is doing poorly? They are doing quite well, all things considering. :)

[chamo]

Cuba is doing far better than any the other South American countries, which are exploited with USA money, and all in the name of fairness too:).

The way to get communism back on it's feet is through education. Tell the people, get a working class revolution, educate our children, come on!. Education is a weapon so use it. The better way foward is through an education system which encourages free-thinking and not mathematical and scientifical drilling, preparing us for the utilitarian capitalist society of monotonus workers. Let us bring about a new revolution!

The question of an armed revolution is not out of the question. A bloody revolution may be necessary but not when it is against a large majority. The corrupt minority who have the power in the world will not be moved by a peaceful revolution as their "precious" money is at stake. As in Cuba the military bullying will bolster any attempt at a subtle revolution so an armed uprising is necessary.

Education first, to arms later!

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from thursday night on 3:58 pm on April 7, 2003
Moldova has it's Communist Party elected as the governing party. Let us hope that they will remain the power for many years to come.

And who said Cuba is doing poorly? They are doing quite well, all things considering. :)


The Moldovan Communist Party has a highly revisionist leader. Rejects class struggle, rejects dictatorship of the proletariat. They far superior to any capitalist party however, and untimately it will be down to their actions. They have said it will 'not be a soviet-style regime'.

[Boris Moskovitz]

I agree with happyguy, we should teach the people a lesson or two about the good things about Communism, and try to free them from the false heavens capitalism is.
I call it a false heavens because it looks like a perfect life, people seem rich, but they can't see others are suffering. They say they understand, but they are still siding with the oppressors. They are completely blind!
I can't believe that even though people see it, they still can't see how rotten world is with capitalism.
But I don't think it's worth making a World War III over that. It is no use to kill off everyone to free everyone lol.
But a bloody revolt... we should be careful... I don't want us to low ourselves to the level of the oppressors.

EDIT: Russia, China and Bresil could be excellent allies :biggrin:

(Edited by Boris Moskovitz at 3:44 am on April 8, 2003)

[ndppinko]

I think that a G7 (or is it 8?) country would have to elect a socialist/ communist government. I think Canada would be a good place to start, since the US wouldn't dare attack, border security and whatnot. From there, others would join the struggle. They could then help third world nations overthrow their oppressors (peacefully if possible, the country would be better off in the long run, read "The Limits of a Revolution" by Martin Oppenheim). I think the US will be the last country to become leftist, but would collapse under massive international pressure.

[RedComrade]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 11:16 pm on April 7, 2003

Quote: from thursday night on 3:58 pm on April 7, 2003
Moldova has it's Communist Party elected as the governing party. Let us hope that they will remain the power for many years to come.

And who said Cuba is doing poorly? They are doing quite well, all things considering. :)


The Moldovan Communist Party has a highly revisionist leader. Rejects class struggle, rejects dictatorship of the proletariat. They far superior to any capitalist party however, and untimately it will be down to their actions. They have said it will 'not be a soviet-style regime'.


Indeed they are perhaps the most revisionist of all the Communist parties I know of. I read on the website about Moldova they dont even oppose the continuing privatization of the Moldovan economy that started after the collapse of the USSR. They arent even socialists! it always good to see a communist party win the elections but its always a tragedy to witness this kind of revisionism in the name of Communism

[RedComrade]

Another thing that I have neglected to mention so far but am very curious about is the shape of the Communist movement right now internationally. Is there a good website somewhere on this that discusses the movement and its shape in the various countries honestly without embracing biased rhetoric. Other than Moldova and Russia are there other countries were Communism is a popular political party?

[trotskylives]

dear dear comrades,
whoever said Moldova has re-elected the Communist party needs their head checked in my opinion. Just because the CP are in government doesn't make it communist. Surely the characterisation of a country is defined by who owns the means of production and you can bet your bottom dollar its not the working class in Moldova. I disagree that there is anything resembling a communist society in the world

[ComradeJunichi]

The economy was shattered after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The place is a mess, the CP was democratically elected. The CP now holds the majority of seats, and is the head party. Vladimir Voronin being the top.

I think we were just naming countries that were 'communist', which included China. i was just naming a few.

[Boris Moskovitz]

Quote: from ndppinko on 4:58 am on April 8, 2003
I think that a G7 (or is it 8?) country would have to elect a socialist/ communist government. I think Canada would be a good place to start, since the US wouldn't dare attack, border security and whatnot. From there, others would join the struggle. They could then help third world nations overthrow their oppressors (peacefully if possible, the country would be better off in the long run, read "The Limits of a Revolution" by Martin Oppenheim). I think the US will be the last country to become leftist, but would collapse under massive international pressure.


Demo/Republican Presidential Scumbag Simulator:
President:

My fellow countrymen! Canada is being attacked by a massive absent force of communists! Those people are on the wrong side! And we will show them, for America is the strongest country on Earth! And it is our duty to protect our neighbor from the invading absent forces of communism! We will make Earth see freedom! We must defeat them once and for all!
Troops! March to Canada!

End of simulation

Jeebulus, sorry man, but I don't think England or Australia would help Canada on this one. All they would do is abreak the Alliance Act, and just sit back and ignore it.

But I think there is very little possibility of peaceful ways to end this matter. I mean, the US wouldn't hesitate to attack a country without nuclear warheads. That's what they did to Vietnam. And I am sure they are intending to restart the war (And get their ass kicked :biggrin:).

[ndppinko]

Well, you do make a good point, but if Canada were to become a warzone, it would be much easier for anti-amerikan militants to sneak in and cause another 9/11, and if not "sneak in", then just cause something from within. I don't honestly believe, that with Canada's worldwide reputation, it might be quite a bit harder for the US to attack without repercussion. As long as free elections were still held, they wouldn't get much help.

[Nick Yves]

I read somewhere on this forum before that a lot of peope in Russia are in favor of restoring communism again, hopefully this time with better ways and ideas....

Is this true?

[RedComrade]

I have read that also comrade, I do beleive in general (at least from what I read) that the vast majority of Russians were much better off during the USSR and the majority of them would like to see Russia return to its roots. The Communist Party is arguably the most popular party in the federation, it has the most seats in the Duma and from what I understand its popularity is not shrinking. The new party however is somewhat of an enigma, from what I have read it has many anti-semetic elements and revisionism. I am however no expert on the situation and would welcome any comrade who is more informed on the matter to elaborate.

[Nick Yves]

Yeah...anyone wanna get some solid information on this?

[Boris Moskovitz]

Quote: from ndppinko on 1:29 am on April 9, 2003
Well, you do make a good point, but if Canada were to become a warzone, it would be much easier for anti-amerikan militants to sneak in and cause another 9/11, and if not "sneak in", then just cause something from within. I don't honestly believe, that with Canada's worldwide reputation, it might be quite a bit harder for the US to attack without repercussion. As long as free elections were still held, they wouldn't get much help.


Even if US won't get help, it won't keep them from taking over Canada. But Canada does have some things that America wants, and I don't think they would hesitate to take the nation whenever they will get the chance. But I think the US prez will somehow try to manipulate most of the people into going to war.
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Even though what people might say, Communism is still very alive in this world. But on the current affairs... I can't say much. All I remember from an article is that a lot of people are nostalgic about the Soviet Union. I still feel like there is some things that should be fixed though, as you've said.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Boris Moskovitz on 8:35 am on April 7, 2003
We can always invade a random country, customize communism so it can get better, and force the people to be that way XD. Which country?



The U$ please.....PLEASE......:biggrin:

[Nick Yves]

Anyone wanna get some solid information about Russia's current regime, and what the people think?

By the way, I was reading something in school today about North Korea, and the who nuclear conflict, and it mentioned several times on how N Korea is a Communist Country and blah blah, and talked about the USSR some (I did learn one thing though. I thought it ended in th 1980's. Turns out the USSR officially ended in 1991.)

I feel like writing a letter to those assholes on what the intent of communism is. They talk about it like this: ''As some of you may not know, N Korea is a communist country. Their are many starving people, and the people in that country dont know whats going on outside of N Korea.''

Thats not the intent of Communism, they can shove that up their ass. I really do want to write a letter, people should not and will not starve in a communist (done properly) society.

[Hate Is Art]

for a decent commy comeback you need someone who wont be corrupted, if only che lived :) it would have to start of small some island somewhere.
I wouldnt really say China are doing very well because of the almost non-existant freedoms there.
Does anyone ever wonder what if Stalin hadn't gotten into power or what if Che hadn't left Cuba.
anyways enough ranting