Prostitution, Crime, Unemployment, Homelessness, etc. - Woul

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Things like crime, unemployment, homelessness, prostitution, promiscuity, drug abuse, and others of these cons found in Capitalism, would they exist in Communism? These things come the lack of value given for one's place and contribution to society, so logicaly, in Communism these would not be an issue. Though, judging from the past, they have been. Your thoughts?

[CopperGoat]

yeah, I wonder the same. But i don't think they would exist because everyone will have enough money to live. Look at Cuba, does Cuba have a Mafia? Does it have prostitution? Does it have lots of crime? Hey Larissa, you know, please help!

[Iepilei]

think of crime as a high-risk investment. it yeilds high rates of return, however it runs a very high risk (getting caught). crime is used as a means for lower-classes to advance, as well as higher-classes to increase their collected wealth.

in short, crime pays in capitalism - very well.

in communism, the need for such 'survivial crime' - if you will - is not. therefor, it will be reduced. drug use and abuse will decrease, as people will be offered hope and security in times of need (which is when most addictions initiate).

prostitution - as the worlds oldest profession - will decrease, however it will not disappear. it's been in our society too long to simply vanish.

homelessness and joblessness are taken care of by the state - as it's every mans right and duty to labour.

[redstar2000]

Will there be "promiscuity" under communism? I hope so!

:cool:

[Larissa]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 1:33 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Will there be "promiscuity" under communism? I hope so!

:cool:Lol! I love your comments!

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:33 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Will there be "promiscuity" under communism? I hope so!

:cool:


Stop reading my mind Redstar! It's creepin' me out!;)

YMj:biggrin:

[Moskitto]

i'm not a promiscuity type person, i prefer mutually faithful monogamous relationships myself, then again since i don't have sex it isn't really relevant.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:22 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
i'm not a promiscuity type person, i prefer mutually faithful monogamous relationships myself, then again since i don't have sex it isn't really relevant.

Why don't you have sex, Moskitto?

And just for the "record"--- I believe monogamy is a good thing too... It's just that Redstar read my mind with regard to promiscuity being the only thing in that list of vices that communism could not stop.

"Somebody STOP me!!!"

YMj:biggrin:

[Moskitto]

i have a girlfriend, but sex would be a bit illegal between us, so i'm commited but abstaining until it isn't.

of course communism wouldn't be a vice on promiscuous activity, just be careful about it, they do recommend to women getting boyfriends with a history of promiscuity tested for hiv.

(Edited by Moskitto at 9:14 pm on Mar. 28, 2003)

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:12 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
i have a girlfriend, but sex would be a bit illegal between us, so i'm commited but abstaining until it isn't.

of course communism wouldn't be a vice on promiscuous activity, just be careful about it, they do recommend to women getting boyfriends with a history of promiscuity tested for hiv.
(Edited by Moskitto at 9:14 pm on Mar. 28, 2003)


I understand.

I suppose the HIV test is a good idea in any society...Peace of mind...

YMj:biggrin:

(Edited by YerbaMateJ at 9:22 pm on Mar. 28, 2003)

[Dirty Jersey]

You have got to be fucking kidding me about this no crime theory. Do you think murder, spousal abuse, child abuse, rape, assault, and a whole list of others will just vanish once communism is instated somewhere? Sure, maybe blue collar crime, i.e. fraud, theft, burglary etc could be avoided, or possible done away with almost completely. It could never fully go away, as some peolpe are just inherently bad, and want to have more than everyone else. Your theory was made without accounting for human nature, so I don't think it can never be completely true.
And on the drug issue, I started when I was a teen, and for no reason other than to experiment. I think most start this way. Besides, alot of people become homeless because of their drug problems, so if they are guaranteed housing, in theory they could stay on the wagon forever with no reason to sober up.
I'm torn on the prostitution issue though, since I think alot of women do it for money for drug problems or to support themselves or their children. I guess the ones doing it to support themselves would no longer exist, but I believe some could prostitute themselves for more money (f)or drugs. Once again you have to factor in human nature, and also the level of peoples addiction.

[YerbaMateJ]

Hi DJ---I suppose some of the women would stay in prostitution because they enjoy their job...

YMj:biggrin:

[Dirty Jersey]

I wont go that far. and there are men prostitutes too. i used to think i was a male prostitue but then i realized im just really slutty and stealing things from their purses while they were asleep isnt payment.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Dirty Jersey on 2:37 am on Mar. 29, 2003
I wont go that far. and there are men prostitutes too. i used to think i was a male prostitue but then i realized im just really slutty and stealing things from their purses while they were asleep isnt payment.

Your honesty is refreshing, DJ!

YMj:)

[Dirty Jersey]

why thank you.

[Iepilei]

fucking epicurians and their nonsensical destruction of themselves. drug abusers are the bane of humanity - if you want to escape the world, just kill yourself.

you know for a country who's supposedly one of the greatest in the world, America sure has high drug usage rates and high numbers of cases of depression.

Our society and our structure is to blame in most part. However to say it will vanish completely (which I never did), is simply too naive. It will go down, but it won't disappear.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Iepilei on 9:04 am on Mar. 30, 2003
fucking epicurians and their nonsensical destruction of themselves. drug abusers are the bane of humanity - if you want to escape the world, just kill yourself.

you know for a country who's supposedly one of the greatest in the world, America sure has high drug usage rates and high numbers of cases of depression.

Our society and our structure is to blame in most part. However to say it will vanish completely (which I never did), is simply too naive. It will go down, but it won't disappear.

And it's not just street drugs anymore. The prescription craze in the $tate$ is insane. Anti-depressants, anti-OCD, mood stabilizers, tranquiliers, you name it.

This is just my theory---not backed by any big shot psyche journals---but I think the people caught in the rat race of the u$--- especially in the cities--- know deep down inside that their empire is going down in flames. They know that they are working their asses off and participating in something that is inherently flawed somehow. And this feeling deep down in their gut won't let up--- and it manifests itself in some neurosis. Everyone knows something is wrong and even their shrinks aren't doing much good. The shrinks just make us all fit in more comfortably to a fucked up situation.

I wish, Iepilei, that we were more like the true Epicurus was:

"... a much misunderstood philosopher who stressed simple pleasure as a goal of life...[He] wrote, 'It is never too early or too late to care for the well-being of the soul.' Epicurus was a vegetarian who urged his followers to cultivate intimacy through letters. He held his classes in a garden, so that as he taught he was surrounded by the simple foods he ate. (Ironically, his name has since become a symbol for gourmet eating and sensuality.) This concept of the value of simple pleasure runs through the entire tradition of thinking about soul. As we try to understand what care of the soul might mean for us, we might want to keep in mind the epicurean principal that the rewards we are seeking may be quite ordinary and may exist right under our noses, even as we look to the stars for some extraordinary revelation of perfection..."

(Thomas Moore---"Care of the Soul)

Right now through drugs and WAR, our nation is losing it's soul.

(Edited by YerbaMateJ at 5:31 am on April 1, 2003)

[Anarcho]

Drug use, crime and prostitution existed in the Soviet Union. They exist in Cuba. They exist everywhere.

Global Communism is not going to change that. Homelessness would be reduced though, I'm pretty sure.