Ignorant relative

[Iron]

I am currently on a trip to ..., and one my relative regualy use the n word. which I refuse to use. and is avidly anti-gay and anti-semetic. but when I point out that his view were miss-guided and ignorant and just plain wrong. He was proud of his own ignorance. casualy replied well atleast i'm not a N. and constaly ask me how i cannont hate gays and thus i must be gay. how would i talk with a person that is clear pround of their backwards and ignorant views. and get them to atleast rethink their views.

any advice?

[funkmasterswede]

Try to convince them in a that allows them to draw the conclusions that you have drawn. If this does not work, then it is best to just ignore the person and realize that they will not change their mind, no matter what they are told.

[Black Cross]

You're not going to get him to change, plain and simple, especially if he is old. Some people, especially those in north america, are incapable of change. They are, put simply, stuck in their backwards, close-minded outlook on life. Sorry.

The best thing you can do now, is tell him you're gay and make the rest of his narrow-minded life as uncomfortable as possible. Or ignore him, whatever....

[Axel1917]

A lot of such reactionary bigots don't seem capable of learning. Best to ignore this cretin.

[Iron]

Originally posted by Marxist-[email protected] 02, 2007 04:58 pm
You're not going to get him to change, plain and simple, especially if he is old. Some people, especially those in north america, are incapable of change. They are, put simply, stuck in their backwards, close-minded outlook on life. Sorry.

The best thing you can do now, is tell him you're gay and make the rest of his narrow-minded life as uncomfortable as possible. Or ignore him, whatever....
He's only 17 so i was hoping a could save him. i have alread told him i'm gay just to cause unconfort. though he knows i'm not, now it was fun when it lasted. but i have made some headway he now claims that he doesn't hate all black people just N's. not much but its a start

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Iron
but i have made some headway he now claims that he doesn't hate all black people just N's.

He doesn't hate all black people, just N's? Does he mean n*ggers? If so, how is that headway? o0

[Black Cross]

Originally posted by Iron+July 03, 2007 02:33 am--> (Iron @ July 03, 2007 02:33 am)
Marxist-[email protected] 02, 2007 04:58 pm
You're not going to get him to change, plain and simple, especially if he is old. Some people, especially those in north america, are incapable of change. They are, put simply, stuck in their backwards, close-minded outlook on life. Sorry.

The best thing you can do now, is tell him you're gay and make the rest of his narrow-minded life as uncomfortable as possible. Or ignore him, whatever....
He's only 17 so i was hoping a could save him. i have alread told him i'm gay just to cause unconfort. though he knows i'm not, now it was fun when it lasted. but i have made some headway he now claims that he doesn't hate all black people just N's. not much but its a start[/b]
Oh, he's that young? Well, I could see him changing then. It won't just be some overnight thing, but if he spends enough time around people of other races and sexual orientations he may just come around. I don't, however, think there is a chance that you can change his narrow-mindedness just by talking to him. It will take more than conversation to change his outlook.

Good luck to you though.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Iron+July 03, 2007 02:33 am--> (Iron @ July 03, 2007 02:33 am)
Marxist-[email protected] 02, 2007 04:58 pm
You're not going to get him to change, plain and simple, especially if he is old. Some people, especially those in north america, are incapable of change. They are, put simply, stuck in their backwards, close-minded outlook on life. Sorry.

The best thing you can do now, is tell him you're gay and make the rest of his narrow-minded life as uncomfortable as possible. Or ignore him, whatever....
He's only 17 so i was hoping a could save him. i have alread told him i'm gay just to cause unconfort. though he knows i'm not, now it was fun when it lasted. but i have made some headway he now claims that he doesn't hate all black people just N's. not much but its a start [/b]
Ask him why and where he gets his prejudiced conclusions about black and gay people from and when he tells you challenge the source of his opinions rather than simply contradicting him without some sort of educated back up. When it comes to reasoning, Marxists win these petty arguments every time.
If he still isnt convinced after you've explained to him why its actually the beourgiouse that are fucking everything up, then I suppose there really is no hope for him.

[Iron]

Ask him why and where he gets his prejudiced conclusions about black and gay people from and when he tells you challenge the source of his opinions rather than simply contradicting him without some sort of educated back up. When it comes to reasoning, Marxists win these petty arguments every time.
If he still isnt convinced after you've explained to him why its actually the beourgiouse that are fucking everything up, then I suppose there really is no hope for him.


I know were he gets it, his envorment. its briming with it. i try to advoid telling people things flat out i offer up facts and allow them to join there own conclusion. and then ask them question about how they drew this conclusion. though i have concluded my vist to wv so i cannont make anymore progress. though thank you for the suggestions though. he is still as backwards as always.

[Janus]

He's only 17 so i was hoping a could save him
In that case, talk with him and encourage him to read various texts and books in order to improve his overall societal views. would assume that he would be more open and accepting of you since you are his relative.

[Never Give In]

Sounds like a stubborn bigot. Just leave it alone, I think.

[peaccenicked]

It all depends. Racism as well as other backward attitudes have to be judged in the specific circumstances. The main question is who is suffering? If a backward person is isolated, it is probably a good thing for everybody else. If someone else is suffering ie getting bullied and harrassed then an intervention is needed.
In my experience, most backward people keep their xenophobia to themselves. They paradoxically know instinctively it is offensive.

Xenophobia can also be a sympton of paranoia which is classified as a mental illness. This could be a product of a life time of cultural isolation.

In general, socialists have to be flexible and considerate when they make interventions. It is possible to make things worse for someone who is basically frightened.

[Wanted Man]

Argue? Take a baseball bat to his kneecaps.

[Luís Henrique]

Introduce him to a real nice black/gay/jewish person (it works best with jews or gays who haven't many mannerisms, because you can get him to actually like the person, and only then reveal what they are).

Luís Henrique

[chimx]

He's 17? Tell his parents.

[MarxSchmarx]

constaly ask me how i cannont hate gays and thus i must be gay.

Classic 17. But I would try to find out if HE'S gay, b/c if he is he needs help.

Arguing won't do any good. He doesn't sound like someone with an open mind who would be persuaded by rational debate. My guess is that unless he only hangs out with nazis he'll grow out of it. Depending on where in the world you are, and if he is not gay, try introducing him to a nice, conventionally attractive African or Jewish girl.

[Ol' Dirty]

It might be best to just leave him be. If he's not hurting anyone, there's no reason to be upset. Some people are just hurting units. -_- If I had more context, though, I might be able to help you out.