examples of political systems - are there any perfected ones

[Monks Aflame]

What are prime examples of each politcal or social system? I don't think the world's ever seen an anarchist society (in modern times at least).

[Umoja]

Some people would say workers collectives at a point in the Spanish Civil war existed in Anarchy for a few weeks perhaps.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

What are prime examples of each politcal or social system?


Certainly not many prime examples of Communism. All attempts at Communism were corrupted or manipulated by America or by an authoritative leader. Marx, unfortunately left his theory too open-ended, thus, it was misused and misunderstood. It was also highly opposed to by the US, which, with its propaganda and military and economic power, managed to financialy sink any communist regime. At other times, it just went to war. If observed, you will see that every attempt at communism has been opposed by the US with a war or trade embargo. Then Americans go on to say how they only wanted to prevent any tragedy from happening once again such as Stalin's assaination of 100 million people.

Americans continualy use the same, rhetoric, false propaganda to secure it's thrown in the capitalist world. That is why communism has no fucking pime example!

[Som]

Some people would say workers collectives at a point in the Spanish Civil war existed in Anarchy for a few weeks perhaps.

It was far more than a few weeks, it was closer to two years.

Not only were there workers collectives, communes, and all the basic institutions of anarcho-syndicalism, for a fair amount of the time, the state completly collapsed in catalonia, replaced by mass institutions, workers councils, so on and so forth.

Its a great example of anarchism.

[Ian]

I believe that the best we can do currentely is a purely communist society, ie. without a state, with complete freedom of association for the proletariat (of course that is a somewhat empty statement as stalinists believe they represent the same principle :o, in practice we know they don't believe in shit). Just as Marx said "I will not write recipes for the kitchens of the Future"

[Monks Aflame]

what's "anarcho-syndicalism"? so, after the spanish civil war, a state of anarchy, or something like it, was installed at it worked well? I believe I heard about this.. neighborhoods defended themselves and kept crime low from within and it worked quite well. Same spanish civil war?

[Som]

anarcho-syndicalism is a type of anarchism, generally revolving around the trade union as the driving force behind it.

It wasn't after the spanish civil war because well.. they lost obviously enough.

But yes, the state at one point was compleltly dissolved and anarchist institutions were set in place.

It worked very well.

[sc4r]

Quote: from Monks Aflame on 1:47 am on Mar. 25, 2003
What are prime examples of each politcal or social system? I don't think the world's ever seen an anarchist society (in modern times at least).


Reasonable examples (none of them pure, there never has been and probably never will be a 'pure' example of any ideology) :

Feudalism - Easy almost any european Country prior to 1600, Saudi Arabia.

Capitalism - Early America.

Dictatorial capitalism - many emerging African countries.

Liberal Democracy - The UK, France, Canada

Social Democracy (non marxist socialism) - Scandinavia, The UK in 1960's

Imperialist Capitalism - Present Day USA

Facism - Nazi germany, USSR

Marxist Socialism - Cuba

Communism - None I think.

Anarchism - No large scale ones.

Completely Undecidable :-) - China