Help with anti-sectarian protest!

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Can anyone with experience in making and printing a large amount of leaflets or creating banners please visit the following link and help us out a bit. Also if you have any ideas on what we could all do for the protest feel free to post it.

http://theplough.proboards57.com/index.cgi...82633957&page=1 (http://theplough.proboards57.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1182633957&page=1)

[BOZG]

Will we have more mass chants of "If you hate the Proddy bastards, clap your hands" this time around?

[redflag32]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 08:55 am
Will we have more mass chants of "If you hate the Proddy bastards, clap your hands" this time around?
Thanks for your help "comrade" Nothing like that was chanted last year,and even if it was it would have been from the youths who turned up afterwards for a bit of trouble,we are trying to do this peacefully and respectfully,the same as the way republicans protested it last year,thank you for showing your support! :(

[BOZG]

The whole crowd was chanting it quite early on just as the robocops had forced their way up to the corner of Henry St. and O'Connell St. And it wasn't just from youths.

[redflag32]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 12:37 am
The whole crowd was chanting it quite early on just as the robocops had forced their way up to the corner of Henry St. and O'Connell St. And it wasn't just from youths.
Was this coming from the crowd who had gathered seperetly from the position where RSF had decided to hold there protest and where most republicans where? I would assume so as the term "proddy bastard" is a sectarian term frowned on by those republicans who have been in the movement for many years and where gathered at the corner,i would be very surprised if this is where you heard this,id say it came from the group who had had gathered infront of the garda.

But besides this,does that mean we should not oppose this sectarian parade whose creators are neo nazi loyalist scum because of some uneducated people? If some pro-Israel reactionary sectarian organisation decided it wanted to parade down O'Connell st you would have the whole Irish left out opposing it,why is it only Republicans are willing to oppose our own homegrown reactionaries?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Redflag32
Was this coming from the crowd who had gathered seperetly from the position where RSF had decided to hold there protest and where most republicans where? I would assume so as the term "proddy bastard" is a sectarian term frowned on by those republicans who have been in the movement for many years and where gathered at the corner
Quoted for truthery. Why isnt it possible to chant slogans without the religion card having to rear its ugly head? Agreed the love Ulster brigade are a bunch of sectarian reactionaries (Possibly nazi-sympathisers in some cases) but chanting ''proddy bastards'' does little apart from alienate working class people from unionist residencies who still class themselves as ''proddie bastards'' that might otherwise investigate the socialist alternative. Quite frankly, it is this demographic which Irish socialism desperately needs if it is to break away into a credible cross community force.

[redflag32]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 03, 2007 11:37 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 03, 2007 11:37 pm)
Redflag32
Was this coming from the crowd who had gathered seperetly from the position where RSF had decided to hold there protest and where most republicans where? I would assume so as the term "proddy bastard" is a sectarian term frowned on by those republicans who have been in the movement for many years and where gathered at the corner
Quoted for truthery. Why isnt it possible to chant slogans without the religion card having to rear its ugly head? Agreed the love Ulster brigade are a bunch of sectarian reactionaries (Possibly nazi-sympathisers in some cases) but chanting ''proddy bastards'' does little apart from alienate working class people from unionist residencies who still class themselves as ''proddie bastards'' that might otherwise investigate the socialist alternative. Quite frankly, it is this demographic which Irish socialism desperately needs if it is to break away into a credible cross community force. [/b]
I totaly agree and i was there last year and the only thing i heard chanted was I. I. IRA. Theres plenty of it on youtube so if anyone can find a vid of the crow chanting "proddy bastards" id be very interested,and id be disapointed in those who did,but that doesnt mean we shouldnt oppose these bigots.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by redflag32+July 04, 2007 11:45 am--> (redflag32 @ July 04, 2007 11:45 am)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 03, 2007 11:37 pm

Redflag32
Was this coming from the crowd who had gathered seperetly from the position where RSF had decided to hold there protest and where most republicans where? I would assume so as the term "proddy bastard" is a sectarian term frowned on by those republicans who have been in the movement for many years and where gathered at the corner
Quoted for truthery. Why isnt it possible to chant slogans without the religion card having to rear its ugly head? Agreed the love Ulster brigade are a bunch of sectarian reactionaries (Possibly nazi-sympathisers in some cases) but chanting ''proddy bastards'' does little apart from alienate working class people from unionist residencies who still class themselves as ''proddie bastards'' that might otherwise investigate the socialist alternative. Quite frankly, it is this demographic which Irish socialism desperately needs if it is to break away into a credible cross community force.
I totaly agree and i was there last year and the only thing i heard chanted was I. I. IRA. Theres plenty of it on youtube so if anyone can find a vid of the crow chanting "proddy bastards" id be very interested,and id be disapointed in those who did,but that doesnt mean we shouldnt oppose these bigots. [/b]
Absolutely, we should oppose any form of bigotry or discrimination but it doesnt help matters by fanning the flames with anti-protestant bigotry. I want to live in a (socialist) Ireland where anyone can believe what the hell they like as long as they dont infringe anyone else's well being.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 08:55 am
Will we have more mass chants of "If you hate the Proddy bastards, clap your hands" this time around?
Never heard of that before. I'd find it hard to believe republicans would do that as I know members of Dublin SF, RSF and IRSP who are Protestant.

[Dr Mindbender]

I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(

[redflag32]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
I know they give you the option of using a fake name or a nickname instead of your real one when joining and they do take the fact that some may wish to have their involvement kept secret on board,im not sure how official that position is but from personal experience and through reading stuff about joinng i got that impretion anyway.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by PRC-UTE+July 05, 2007 11:18 pm--> (PRC-UTE @ July 05, 2007 11:18 pm)
[email protected] 02, 2007 08:55 am
Will we have more mass chants of "If you hate the Proddy bastards, clap your hands" this time around?
Never heard of that before. I'd find it hard to believe republicans would do that as I know members of Dublin SF, RSF and IRSP who are Protestant. [/b]
I'm not saying that it was necessarily SF, RSF or IRSP members who lead or initiated it, I'm just pointing out that at one point, the vast majority of the crowd near me where shouting it. My point is that there are many groups who try to play up these protests as purely anti-sectarian and merely opposed to groups like Love Ulster where there was clearly a very sectarian, bigotted attitude from huge numbers of the crowd yet organisers try to deny this and refute that there was any "hooligan" or sectarian element to it.

Much the same could be said about the protests against England playing Rugby in Croke Park which were supposedly protests about introducing "foreign" games into the home of the GAA. I can understand that some people were opposed to "foreign" games and others were highlighting the actions of the British army when they massacred people in Croke Park. The problem is though that the protests were billed as being purely against "foreign" games in Croke Park yet the Ireland vs England game was the second game to be played there. France had played the week before yet there was no demonstrations whatsoever and it was well known in advance. Demonstrating at the first game would be far more symbolic if it was supposed to be against "foreign" games. Why wasn't there any protests? The only reasonable explanation was that it was primarily based around sectarianism.


PRC-UTE,
In relation to the Dublin RSF, they semi-regularly hold a protest or stall outside the GPO so I'm not too surprised to see them around but there was an anti-abortion rally held there this week and I see RSF banners around the rally. Fair enough, the rally was congregating right beside where they stand normally but as they got enveloped by the rally, they didn't seem to be in any hurry to move. I know that the RSF tend to be quite religious (from stories about rosaries and prayers being said at events) and they tend to be more conservative than SF in that sense but are they clear cut on their attitudes towards religion and abortion etc?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by redflag32+July 08, 2007 11:09 am--> (redflag32 @ July 08, 2007 11:09 am)
Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
I know they give you the option of using a fake name or a nickname instead of your real one when joining and they do take the fact that some may wish to have their involvement kept secret on board,im not sure how official that position is but from personal experience and through reading stuff about joinng i got that impretion anyway. [/b]
thats all good, but since i dont drive or anything it still doesnt solve the logistical problem of me getting to the meeting place. I would have to walk through both unionist and neutral territory, so the whole thing makes me a bit edgy.

[redflag32]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+July 09, 2007 12:14 am--> (Ulster Socialist @ July 09, 2007 12:14 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 11:09 am

Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
I know they give you the option of using a fake name or a nickname instead of your real one when joining and they do take the fact that some may wish to have their involvement kept secret on board,im not sure how official that position is but from personal experience and through reading stuff about joinng i got that impretion anyway.
thats all good, but since i dont drive or anything it still doesnt solve the logistical problem of me getting to the meeting place. I would have to walk through both unionist and neutral territory, so the whole thing makes me a bit edgy. [/b]
Ah i understand,im not a scout for the IRSP so each to their own. :D Pitty,they could do with someone like yourself!

[gilhyle]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
The numbers before you who have suffered from this are innumerable. It is, sadly, part of the reality of PWC life. Sympathy.

(Im making assumptions here, granted.)

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
we're glad to count you as a comrade, regardless of membership ;)

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by gilhyle+July 09, 2007 12:16 pm--> (gilhyle @ July 09, 2007 12:16 pm)
Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
The numbers before you who have suffered from this are innumerable. It is, sadly, part of the reality of PWC life. Sympathy.

(Im making assumptions here, granted.) [/b]
Right. One of the least known stories from the Troubles is how badly the Protestant working class suffered at the hands of Loyalists who were armed and trained by the Brits. Not just republican-minded protestants, but often those who spoke out against Loyalist activities in a very mild way were attacked or even murdered.

[Brady]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 07, 2007 11:57 pm
I would consider joining the IRSP, problem is id probably get skinned alive if someone who knows me caught me going to the meetings. :(
Same here mate. Sad innit?

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This loyalist rally has been cancelled.yay!