Love

[Hegemonicretribution]

I know that such a term sets alarm bells ringing in the minds of the critical, and thatthis may seem like a chit-chat topic..but hear me out.

Lets face it, in the arts, love dominates. It heavily impacts upon other aspects of society. It is responsible for justifying single partner relationships even in secular environments.....

The term itself may be deemed crap, but there are a hell of a lot of issues that come under this term and I was interested in people's takes. The best and worse times are for many people centred around relationships, do we have viable relationships? Are we condemned to exclusivity...the physical and emotional trauma is often more acute than that caused by disenchantment with other aspects of our world (for the most part). Does this show that we are living very "unnaturally?"

More generally love as opposed to hate, what is the score there?

I know that there are standard responses, and I know I have a few ideas, I was just wondering what people really think on these matter.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

I think that the physical/emotional trauma is just a sad fact of love, which you have to accept in order to reap the benefits.

It seems to me that a healthy relationship requires rough patches. The bad times define the good times, and vice versa. If you've had a blistering row with someone you love, making up with them is much sweeter than if it had been plain sailing all the way through.

Likewise, an argument with someone you have no positive emotional connection with tends not to hurt. An argument with someone whom you love, however, is naturally awful.

Meh, I don't know. Still young, haven't had much time to figure all that out.

-Alex

[redflag32]

"Let me say, with the risk of appearing ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by strong feelings of love. It is impossible to think of an authentic revolutionary without this quality. This is perhaps one of the great dramas of a leader; he must combine an impassioned spirit with a cold mind and make painful decision without flinching. Our vanguard revolutionaries must idealise their love for the people, for the most hallowed causes, and make it one and indivisible. They cannot descend, with small doses of daily affection, to the terrain where ordinary men put their love into practice". -Che

Love between a man and a woman is the same between a man and his friend only with the added element of lust.

[Black Cross]

Che was the epitome of acsetecism; but that's a bit off topic i guess.

I think people just need to know that they can't become attached to a girl/boyfriend too quickly. If you do, they will have emotional control over you and anything they say or do to you will have a huge impact on you and your decisions (mainly ones about yourself). Why would you want someone to have that kind of power over you? People just need to be a bit more reserved in their relationships.

[coda]

I think *real* love, though elusive, nonetheless, tends to get stronger over time, unlike our present culture where it dissipates after a few years more or less or turns to "hate", the relationship then discarded and the people never to see eachother again, (that which I've deemed as "fast food love " --not love at all, but infatuation.) Even though real love might not predicate the conventional nuclear type set up of two people in an exclusive relationship, it would denote a strong bond which is not easily undermined, thus keeping the two people active in eachother's lives for the duration.

[Orange Juche]

What is love?

Baby don't hurt me.

Don't hurt me.

No more.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by Marxist-[email protected] 02, 2007 04:25 pm
Why would you want someone to have that kind of power over you? People just need to be a bit more reserved in their relationships.
If someone is in your head ALL the time then your means of comparisson will obviously involve them a lot. Of course we all remain as individuals, but the element of trust involved in becoming emotionally attatched to someone (so that they do have real power over you) is a massive part of strengthening a bond between people. You can have a bond with somone that looked out for your wellbeing in wartime...but people do get very messed up because of "love" and because of the nature of the relationship a large amount of trust is involved.

Saying that, I do think that a certain level of emotional detatchment and realism is always handy; I don't know if we can fully cope with this at all times though, unless we seek to avoid such situations.

Personally I find that relationships are a bit like chemical binges....great at the time but you can feel like death and beyond afterwards. You say never again, but there is a reason people are drawn to it.

[Dominicana_1965]

Love is a bigger fear to the Bourgeoisie than armed rebellion, in that it can unite anyone. The reason why I feel love in modern times needs to be critiqued is because the Bourgeois culture has taken it and utilized it for their policing. Like it's economic policies the ruling class has privatized love, one could possibly say that they gave it essentials. Many acts that are considered socially unjust are done by masquerading violence as love. In this I feel that society has misunderstood love..and like history has shown has consumed what the ruling class has fed them. Our sorroundings tell us what is socially "normative".

Love has been tampered with throughout our culture, movies, tv shows, magazines, etc .
In our current times and probably the past included humanity has turned love into pain, the complete opposite, what I mean by pain is the beatings that numerous individuals give their beloved other/s in the name of love. When a parent hits a child they take a moment where they were actually mad at the situation and say it was for "their own good, because I love you". Love becomes the way out for abuse & punishment in this case. It is also to my understanding that love has been forced upon the majority of us and not freely chosen.The way we learned that we must love family from a early age is what im pointing to. Which draws the question would our parents really love us if we weren't "their" children?


Love even has the power to take comrades and forget their revolutionary motivation because the family becomes the priority. Thus a lot of the "disconnection" some people feel from others across the world has a lot to do with the privatized love lifestyle.

This is how love has helped maintain Bourgeois cultural & political norms.

Like I said love is a very dangerous tool, but like the means of production...simply needs to be handed to the masses. We need to nationalize love. Build a new understanding of it, create a new "norm" for the complex concept we know as love. This doesn't mean that we have to literally break down relationships as we see them, but that we must acknowledge others as a entire family that we love.