SiCKO

[El Chavo]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikeinth...dex.php?id=9626 (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikeinthenews/index.php?id=9626)

April 19th, 2007 3:35 am
'Sicko' Selected for Cannes Film Festival!

We at MichaelMoore.com have just received word that Michael's new film, “Sicko,” has been selected to be part of the main program of this year's Cannes Film Festival. This is Michael's third film in a row to be an "Official Selection" at the Cannes Film Festival ("Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" were the other two). Three years ago "Fahrenheit 9/11" won the top prize at Cannes, the Palme d'Or. "Fahrenheit" went on to become the largest grossing Palme d'Or winner in history. In 2002, "Bowling for Columbine" won the 55th Anniversary Prize.

This year's festival will take place from May 16-27. "Sicko" will play out of competition, per Michael's request. It will be the first time the film will be seen by the public. "Sicko" is scheduled to be in theaters this summer.

"I'm honored to be asked again to come to Cannes," Michael said. "It's been a good luck charm for us and the perfect place to present our work to the rest of the world. I'm hoping that this film will have the impact I think it will have."

This year marks the 60th Anniversary of the Cannes Film Festival. On May 20, Michael will join all the living Palme d'Or winners on the stage in celebration of the festival.

More details to follow...

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Fuck Michael Moore. He's a picket-crossing liberal.

[classwarveteran]

I thought Farenheit 9-11 was fairly well-done, though cared not for his failure to distinguish between the Saudi ruling class and working class Saudis in some of his comments.

He did cross a picket at Borders Books in Philadelphia, though he deluded himself that it was ok because he was going in to speak to management on behalf of one of the aggrieved workers. But he was asked not to cross the line.

I think he also had some choice words for stagehands in the UK some many years ago, which struck me as a tad out of touch with working people.

[Political_Chucky]

I don't agree with all his views, but he does enlighten some people about problems in America, maybe so much they will start researching themselves and discover what a capitalist society really means?

[ahab]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 19, 2007 11:21 pm
Fuck Michael Moore. He's a picket-crossing liberal.
Im with you on this one, fucking lib-left mutherfucker

[classwarveteran]

He also stumped for that war-monger Wesley Clark

[UndergroundConnexion]

yet in this movie he is also going to cuba, to show that theier health system is superior then the yankee one

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:07 pm
yet in this movie he is also going to cuba, to show that theier health system is superior then the yankee one
I used to like Him, In one of his Books he Gave a whole chapter to Cuba...

[UndergroundConnexion]

yes, the book "Downsize this"

[FOREVER LEFT]

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2007051...7880002000.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20070510/117880002000.html)

Michael Moore Faces U.S. Treasury Probe
Thursday May 10 5:27 AM ET

Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary "Sicko," The Associated Press has learned.

The investigation provides another contentious lead-in for a provocative film by Moore, a fierce critic of President Bush. In the past, Moore's adversaries have fanned publicity that helped the filmmaker create a new brand of opinionated blockbuster documentary.

"Sicko" promises to take the health-care industry to task the way Moore confronted America's passion for guns in "Bowling for Columbine" and skewered Bush over his handling of Sept. 11 in "Fahrenheit 9/11."

The Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control notified Moore in a letter dated May 2 that it was conducting a civil investigation for possible violations of the U.S. trade embargo restricting travel to Cuba. A copy of the letter was obtained Tuesday by the AP.

"This office has no record that a specific license was issued authorizing you to engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," Dale Thompson, OFAC chief of general investigations and field operations, wrote in the letter to Moore.

In February, Moore took about 10 ailing workers from the Ground Zero rescue effort in Manhattan for treatment in Cuba, said a person working with the filmmaker on the release of "Sicko." The person requested anonymity because Moore's attorneys had not yet determined how to respond.

Moore, who scolded Bush over the Iraq war during the 2003 Oscar telecast, received the letter Monday, the person said. "Sicko" premieres May 19 at the Cannes Film Festival and debuts in U.S. theaters June 29.

Moore declined to comment, said spokeswoman Lisa Cohen.

After receiving the letter, Moore arranged to place a copy of the film in a "safe house" outside the country to protect it from government interference, said the person working on the release of the film.

Treasury officials declined to answer questions about the letter. "We don't comment on enforcement actions," said department spokeswoman Molly Millerwise.

The letter noted that Moore applied Oct. 12, 2006, for permission to go to Cuba "but no determination had been made by OFAC." Moore sought permission to travel there under a provision for full-time journalists, the letter said.

According to the letter, Moore was given 20 business days to provide OFAC with such information as the date of travel and point of departure; the reason for the Cuba trip and his itinerary there; and the names and addresses of those who accompanied him, along with their reasons for going.

Potential penalties for violating the embargo were not indicated. In 2003, the New York Yankees paid the government $75,000 to settle a dispute that it conducted business in Cuba in violation of the embargo. No specifics were released about that case.

"Sicko" is Moore's followup to 2004's "Fahrenheit 9/11," a $100 million hit criticizing the Bush administration over Sept. 11. Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" won the 2002 Oscar for best documentary.

A dissection of the U.S. health-care system, "Sicko" was inspired by a segment on Moore's TV show "The Awful Truth," in which he staged a mock funeral outside a health-maintenance organization that had declined a pancreas transplant for a diabetic man. The HMO later relented.

At last September's Toronto International Film Festival, Moore previewed footage shot for "Sicko," presenting stories of personal health-care nightmares. One scene showed a woman who was denied payment for an ambulance ride after a head-on collision because it was not preapproved.

Moore's opponents have accused him of distorting the facts, and his Cuba trip provoked criticism from conservatives including former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, who assailed the filmmaker in a blog at National Review Online.

"I have no expectation that Moore is going to tell the truth about Cuba or health care," wrote Thompson, the subject of speculation about a possible presidential run. "I defend his right to do what he does, but Moore's talent for clever falsehoods has been too well documented."

The timing of the investigation is reminiscent of the firestorm that preceded the Cannes debut of "Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the festival's top prize in 2004. The Walt Disney Co. refused to let subsidiary Miramax release the film because of its political content, prompting Miramax bosses Harvey and Bob Weinstein to release "Fahrenheit 9/11" on their own.

The Weinsteins later left Miramax to form the Weinstein Co., which is releasing "Sicko." They declined to comment on the Treasury investigation, said company spokeswoman Sarah Levinson Rothman.

[Dimentio]

Moore would look like a typical investigating reporter in Sweden, with centrist views according to the political spectrum here.

[ComradeR]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6644845.stm
Funny, They let Moore make film after film about everything from gun control to the Bush administration, but as soon as he starts making a film that criticizes the US healthcare system, and apparentally shows how the Cuban Socialist healthcare system is superior they start going after him. It'll be interesting to see how far they take this.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:07 pm
yet in this movie he is also going to cuba, to show that theier health system is superior then the yankee one
EXACTLY! Who cares about his individual politics? He'll encourage people to vote for nationalized healthcare by showing its infinite superiority. It's a step in the right direction. The liberal tool is doing our work for us.

[thescarface1989]

Looking forward to this film, hopefully it will open more people's eyes.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Yeah, I'm quite curious as to see this film. I havn't read the article you linked, but I remember reading that he takes 10 WTC victims or something like that who were given poor health treatment by the US government to Cuba to see the healthcare.

It's obviously rocking the boat a lot considering that these people are supposedly heroes to their own country yet their government denies them one of the most basic human rights, yet another country nevertheless one who the US wholly criticises to the extent of holding an illegal embargo against is wiling to treat them regardless of their country of origin. Less could be said for Hilton hotels who refuse to lodge any cuban citizens in their hotels around the world, because forbidding cubans the luxury of five star hotels will convince them to topple their government.

[Angry Young Man]

I actually got into the left via Moore. It's the old case of the pupil surpassing the teacher. Now I think he's a moron. And I didn't know about the picket-cross.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I am looking forward to see this film. It could be quite interesting.

Just hope it will have a close look on the Cuban healthcare, going beyond the propaganda machine and not just show a few of the best hospitals for tourists and important cubans.

[Janus]

Merged.

[metalero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 12:59 pm
I am looking forward to see this film. It could be quite interesting.

Just hope it will have a close look on the Cuban healthcare, going beyond the propaganda machine and not just show a few of the best hospitals for tourists and important cubans.
I was wondering why you didn't say something like that before.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Originally posted by Romantic [email protected] 11, 2007 05:22 pm
I actually got into the left via Moore. It's the old case of the pupil surpassing the teacher. Now I think he's a moron. And I didn't know about the picket-cross.
Snap

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by Kevis+May 12, 2007 08:24 am--> (Kevis @ May 12, 2007 08:24 am)
Romantic [email protected] 11, 2007 05:22 pm
I actually got into the left via Moore. It's the old case of the pupil surpassing the teacher. Now I think he's a moron. And I didn't know about the picket-cross.
Snap [/b]
This is of course Moore's only contribution to anything; he popularisises conflict approaches (theoretically at least) to the media bottom feeders. As we all know, media on this level is complete crap, and much of it is very conservative/right-leaning. I suppose that Moore is the voice of doubt amongst a level of sub-journalism that is acceptable in terms of his end, but not his means.

The positive is this; unlike poor quality conservative media stressing compliance, Moore can lay the seeds of change in the minds of the brainwashed. insofar as he stresses personal reflection, wider reading, and doubt regarding "official sources" he does a lot of good. Insofar as he promotes his own view of the world, well I suppose he is pretty much as objectional as any other poor quality news source.

[StartToday]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 11:44 pm
I don't agree with all his views, but he does enlighten some people about problems in America, maybe so much they will start researching themselves and discover what a capitalist society really means?
Yep. That's why I'm here today. First it was Bowling for Columbine, then it was Rock Against Bush, and somewhere along the line, I decided liberalism was retarded, and now I'm here.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by StartToday+May 14, 2007 02:36 pm--> (StartToday @ May 14, 2007 02:36 pm)
[email protected] 19, 2007 11:44 pm
I don't agree with all his views, but he does enlighten some people about problems in America, maybe so much they will start researching themselves and discover what a capitalist society really means?
Yep. That's why I'm here today. First it was Bowling for Columbine, then it was Rock Against Bush, and somewhere along the line, I decided liberalism was retarded, and now I'm here. [/b]
I found a book by him on a trip to Ireland... He's not the main reason I joined but he is high up on the list. (As stated before I used to Like him not anymore)

[Random_Guy]

What do some of you guys mean by picket-cross??? I know, sorry, I'm new at this.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 12:41 pm
What do some of you guys mean by picket-cross??? I know, sorry, I'm new at this.
That means some workers were striking and he crossed their line. The picket line makes it so the company can't get customers or new workers. If I was there I would have busted his lip. In more radical unions crossing a line means that you will come out to your car on fire or to an angry mob with boots that are aiing for your face.

But like some others here Moore was part of the reason I am here today. Being Chicano I was always around left leaning thoughts within my family. After watching some of Moore's movies and reading some of his books I ventured into better and more detailed criticisms of capitalism. Then into communist and anarchist history. There were a lot of things in my life that lead me to this point but Moore was definitely a factor in the literature dept. because his work is so easy to read and comprehend.

[Herman]

Okay, I'm not sure what the whole deal about criticizing harshly Michael Moore is.

"I want nationalized healthcare and i'll try to inform the public with a movie... but i'm not so sure about the rest of the industry..."

RESPONSE FROM ARMCHAIR SOCIALIST: "WTF LIBERAL IDIOT LOL"

[IcarusAngel]

Moore just isn't revolutionary enough for these "arm chair anarchists and socialists" I guess, even though I have heard him say that "capitalism is evil" on none other than CNN.

I'm really just posting in here to link to this article from scientific american, however:

We're Number Two: Canada Has as Good or Better Health Care than the U.S. (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa004&articleID=53B61670-E7F2-99DF-3E9FD5664899BF24&ref=rss)

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 04:45 pm
Moore just isn't revolutionary enough for these "arm chair anarchists and socialists" I guess, even though I have heard him say that "capitalism is evil" on none other than CNN.
He is a liberal what do you expect us to say? For all the complaining he does do you know what his answers for the problems are? Elect Oprah Winfrey. That is all he has said for answers. He just wants to sit there and elect another person and hope they do something and then when they don't he will say elect the next liberal and they won't do anything either and then on and on..... and on....

[black magick hustla]

Yeah. don't be that harsh on the man.

Although his politics are shit he plays the seeds of dissent in many young individuals. One of those individuals was me.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by AndrewG+May 11, 2007 03:37 pm--> (AndrewG @ May 11, 2007 03:37 pm)
[email protected] 21, 2007 05:07 pm
yet in this movie he is also going to cuba, to show that theier health system is superior then the yankee one
EXACTLY! Who cares about his individual politics? He'll encourage people to vote for nationalized healthcare by showing its infinite superiority. It's a step in the right direction. The liberal tool is doing our work for us. [/b]
He's more or less a pseudo-socialist rather than a liberal, from what I'm seeing.

[Ultra-Violence]

im actualy here because of che lives and this forum :wub:

[Ze]

Michael Moore rocks and I'm a Marxist. Not everyone can be a Che Guevara, give credit where credit is due.

[La Comédie Noire]

Moore has always pissed me off slightly but I must agree hes different from most other talking heads on tv.

And to add: What was actually intrecal in me becoming a Marxist was when i picked up Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle".

Changed my Social Chauvinist view on things right away. :)

[ahab]

did you know moore has/had stock shares in halliburton?

[Niemand]

Moore said in the last moments of The Corporation (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3203253804055041031&q=The+Corporation&total=5839&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1) that he wishes to be "a part in the rope that hangs capitalism."

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 10:43 pm
did you know moore has/had stock shares in halliburton?
That's a myth.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Good review here:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2007/06/sicko.html

[BreadBros]

I think Michael Moore's strength is that his movies tend to be somewhere on the cusp between mere liberal complaining and some kind of actual critique of the economy. In 'Fahrenheit 911' there was a lot of liberal patriotic junk, but there were also a lot of parallels drawn between the American and foreign ruling classes that could very easily lead people to asking a lot more questions about the foundational structure of the world economy. Thats why I think hes so popular....hes not as hard to understand or get into (for the average person) as a lot of overtly leftist films or media yet hes offering more than the typical liberal whining or what have you that most people seem to (justly) find superficial at best.

[RebelDog]

I watched Sicko tonight and I would recommend that you all try to see it as its an entertaining film. What pisses me off is Moore's history of backing Democratic candidates when their record on healthcare in the US is just as bad as the Republicans. This film does serve to show how insurance and pharmaceutical companies are making a fortune whilst people are suffering and dying as a result. The US healthcare system is inhuman. The insurance companies will use every trick in the book to preclude them having to pay out and thus people are literally dying to boost shareholders profits. I'm glad we have the NHS in the UK but I do fear for its future all the time and Moore paints an unrealistic picture of the reality of the British NHS but its still far superior to the situation in the US. Capitalism is really out of control in the US and the bourgeoisie are trampling over the poor and waging class war so blatantly and ruthlessly. Why is there not more resistance in the US? Is there any real movement to establish free universal healthcare for all? Moore does touch on this a bit when he says people are just so demoralised and broken.

All people interviewed in the film agreed that what goes on in the US healthcare system doesn't male sense. It doesn't make sense if you are poor or working class and cannot secure adequate care, but it makes total sense if your are the CEO of Humana, a US medical insurance company which makes more money if it stops people getting proper health care. There should be no private service or access to any human need in this world let alone healthcare.

Moore touches in the film the idea that socialism is not such a bad thing and should be applied to the US healthcare system. That however would invade on the freedom of a tiny minority to get rich on the back of human suffering and that surely is not acceptable in the land of the free. Whatever you think of Moore this is a film worth watching but I fear the audience will already be converts and not enough of the disenfranchised will see it and be inspired to act. A very embarrassing film for the US establishment, go and see it.

[Aurora]

Will do comrade,thanks for the report :)

[Djehuti]

This movie is by far his best. Sicko is better than good, it is great, and I belive that it will have a huge impact.

However he presents Europe as a paradise, and that is not true. We have our large share of problems as well, and there is much in our wellfare-system to complain about. Still, a wellfare-system with (unfortunatly rapidly increasing) gaps is still better far than no wellfare-system at all.

Still I hope that this movie will remove the americans' scepticism towards everything socialized.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 05:07 am
I thought Farenheit 9-11 was fairly well-done, though cared not for his failure to distinguish between the Saudi ruling class and working class Saudis in some of his comments.

He did cross a picket at Borders Books in Philadelphia, though he deluded himself that it was ok because he was going in to speak to management on behalf of one of the aggrieved workers. But he was asked not to cross the line.

I think he also had some choice words for stagehands in the UK some many years ago, which struck me as a tad out of touch with working people.
With all respect, but the working class in Saudi Arabia are mostly consisting of guest workers. As far as I'll understand, the Saudis all are granted some sort of work, and everyone have a fairly high wage.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Personally I find Moore slightly condescending... the debate about whether he's a socialist or not is irrelevant as this is a brilliant film. Personally I view Moore as a liberal (supporting John Kerry and whatnot), albeit a left-leaning one - in fairness I suppose he has to tailor his mainstream work for the American public in order for it not to be immediately shunned.

I thought Sicko was great, far above Fahrenheit 9/11 which was a tad shite. It's quite emotional at times, I felt at the start it seemed a bit light hearted on some peoples deaths (just inappropriate music in the background, didn't work great) but as it went on there were some good stories in there. I found the trip to Cuba particularly moving/interesting.

I thought it dealt well with showing how socialised healthcare can and does work, albeit he did paint Europe as a welfare paradise which we all know isn't exactly the case, yet still scores better than America. One of my favourite parts was when he interviewed Tony Benn who gave a voice of Britain's social conscious, Benn discussed the NHS as well as talked about some of the greater injustices of capitalism.

[Sanjee]

You know, I've actually seen a big part of the movie. I liked it very much so far, and there was one scene which kind of surprised me:

It was during Michael Moore's visit to London, where he's standing in front of the grave of Karl Marx, and the words "Workers all over the world unite!" are brought clearly in sight. Didn't realy know what he tried to say, but it surely wasn't anything negative.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

i saw it last night it was showing in like one theatre here in NYC some kind of special engagement or some shit like that. Anyway it was pretty good, the scene you're talking about was when he was in england and he was talking about how good English socialized healthcare is compared to American private healthcare and how whenever universal healthcare is proposed everyone starts saying its gonna be a socialist takeover.

[R_P_A_S]

what do you guys make of the claims and numbers thrown at us?



By A. Chris Gajilan
CNN
(CNN) -- Michael Moore's "Sicko," which opened nationwide Friday, is filled with horror stories of people who are deprived of medical service because they can't afford it or haven't been able to navigate the murky waters of managed care in the United States.

It compares American health care with the universal coverage systems in Canada, France, the United Kingdom and Cuba.

Moore covers a lot of ground. Our team investigated some of the claims put forth in his film. We found that his numbers were mostly right, but his arguments could use a little more context. As we dug deep to uncover the numbers, we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film. In fact, most pundits or health-care experts we spoke to spent more time on errors of omission rather than disputing the actual claims in the film.

Whether it's dollars spent, group coverage or Medicaid income cutoffs, health care goes hand in hand with numbers. Moore opens his film by giving these statistics, "Fifty million uninsured Americans ... 18,000 people die because they are uninsured." (Review: "Sicko" a tonic despite flaws)

For the most part, that's true. The latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say 43.6 million, or about 15 percent of Americans, were uninsured in 2006. For the past five years, the overall count has fluctuated between 41 million and 44 million people. According to the Institute of Medicine, 18,000 people do die each year mainly because they are less likely to receive screening and preventive care for chronic diseases.

Moore says that the U.S. spends more of its gross domestic product on health care than any other country.

Again, that's true. The United States spends more than 15 percent of its GDP on health care -- no other nation even comes close to that number. France spends about 11 percent, and Canadians spend 10 percent.

Like Moore, we also found that more money does not equal better care. Both the French and Canadian systems rank in the Top 10 of the world's best health-care systems, according to the World Health Organization. The United States comes in at No. 37. The rankings are based on general health of the population, access, patient satisfaction and how the care's paid for.

So, if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system," says Mark Meaney, a health-care ethicist for the National Institute for Patient Rights.

Moore spends about half his film detailing the wonders and the benefits of the government-funded universal health-care systems in Canada, France, Cuba and the United Kingdom. He shows calm, content people in waiting rooms and people getting care in hospitals hassle free. People laugh and smile as he asks about billing departments and cost of stay.

Not surprisingly, it's not that simple. In most other countries, there are quotas and planned waiting times. Everyone does have access to basic levels of care. That care plan is formulated by teams of government physicians and officials who determine what's to be included in the universal basic coverage and how a specific condition is treated. If you want treatment outside of that standard plan, then you have to pay for it yourself.

"In most developed health systems in the world, 15 percent to 20 percent of the population buys medical services outside of the system of care run by the government. They do it through supplemental insurance, or they buy services out of pocket," Keckley says.

The people who pay more tend to be in the upper income or have special, more complicated conditions.

Moore focuses on the private insurance companies and makes no mention of the U.S. government-funded health-care systems such as Medicare, Medicaid, the State Children's Health Insurance Program and the Veterans Affairs health-care systems. About 50 percent of all health-care dollars spent in the United States flows through these government systems.

"Sicko" also ignores a handful of good things about the American system. Believe it or not, the United States does rank highest in the patient satisfaction category. Americans do have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when it comes to nonemergency elective surgery such as hip replacements, cataract removal or knee repair.

That's no surprise given the number of U.S. specialists. In U.S. medical schools, students training to become primary-care physicians have dwindled to 10 percent. The overwhelming majority choose far more profitable specialties in the medical field. In other countries, more than one out of three aspiring doctors chooses primary care in part because there's less of an income gap with specialists. In those nations, becoming a specialist means making 30 percent more than a primary-care physician. In the United States, the gap is around 300 percent, according to Keckley.

As Americans continue to spend $2 trillion a year on health care, everyone agrees on one point: Things need to change, and it will take more than a movie to figure out how to get there.

A. Chris Gajilan is a senior producer with CNN Medical News. Intern Emily Breidbart contributed to this report.

[Janus]

Merged again.

[Connolly]

you can watch the movie here:

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewt...p?p=23372#23372 (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23372#23372)

[CornetJoyce]

He spends all that time displaying the miseries of "managed care" and then glorifies H. Clinton's plan to "improve" managed care with a few more layers of bureaucracy. This suggests that his naivete is not entirely feigned. Still, it's a brilliant movie worthy of Charlie Chaplin and he has seen it from the start as a political device. Kudos.

[cheisgreat]

Yes that's right Guevara' second child but his first to second wife Aleida Guevara is interviewed in the movie by Michael Moore himself about the philosophy behind universal health care.

I'm sure most of you already knew. Quite interesting I think anyway.

[Janus]

Merged.

[Axel1917]

I have done some research on the healthcare system over here in the US, and this moving didn't really teach me much that I didn't already know, but it is worth seeing nonetheless.

You can download it via torrent at http://www.onebigtorrent.org

[which doctor]

I haven't seen the movie, but plan on soon as it looks pretty entertaining.

On another note, have any of you seen his showdown with Wolf Blitzer on CNN? I thought that was pretty cool as he criticizes Wolf, CNN, and mainstream media in general.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hJL1ax4KdoY

[Jesus Christ!]

Agreeing with what a few have said earlier, when I was 12 Moore's book stupid white men as the first political and obviously liberal book I had ever read. Of course my interest in the left grew from this and after much more reading of actual revolutionary material etc I am here today. So I think he'd very good at getting people to understand his views through comedy and is often a stepping stone for beginners to branch out and learn more.

[Faux Real]

I'm sure he wasn't glorifying Hillary as a candidate, but more of pointing out how the pharmaceuticals and health insurance companies have the backpockets of even the executive branch. Gajilan is trying to downplay the superior socialized system and he was clearly told to STFU by Moore on CNN.

The part in Cuba was really well made, and it was nice to see Aledia interviewed. Maybe this movie will help dispell the myths of "communism is evil!!111" and let people learn about it on their own.