Ever hear that stupid anti-semitic argument?

[Entrails Konfetti]

Ever hear the argument that some how Semites are descendants of Neanderthals wheres as gentiles are descended from the cromagnons?

I've heard it a few places and got so enraged I couldn't listened to such bullshit.

What is that argument exactly? And how do you counter it?

[bcbm]

I've never heard that before. You counter it by understanding the basic evolution of the two distinct species of homo sapiens and explaining to whoever is arguing it that they don't know jack.

[Black Cross]

Don't be so quick to judge. Yes, it may sound stupid, but a lot of theories that are significantly accepted were farfetched once (evolution, big bang theory, global warming, etc.)

And I too have never heard that theory, so I don't know what the argument is.

[bezdomni]

Don't be so quick to judge. Yes, it may sound stupid, but a lot of theories that are significantly accepted were farfetched once (evolution, big bang theory, global warming, etc.)

Uhhh...This is one of those things that sounds stupid because it actually is stupid.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Marxist-[email protected] 30, 2007 04:01 pm
Don't be so quick to judge. Yes, it may sound stupid, but a lot of theories that are significantly accepted were farfetched once (evolution, big bang theory, global warming, etc.)

And I too have never heard that theory, so I don't know what the argument is.
Well those theories weren't produced by antisemites for the purpose of being antisemetic. This isn't really a theory at all.

Biologically, the argument is rediculous.

[Entrails Konfetti]

I don't know if cromagnon have ever mated with neanderthals, but its obvious they never made viable hybrid offspring-- there are no fossils of hybrids. What I'm getting at is that a semite can mate with a gentile and have children that can bare offspring. If Semites were of a different species of human they couldn't create a viable offspring with their Gentile counterparts. Also, If the Semites are related to the Neanderthals, their genomes would be larger than the homosapiens and they couldn't produce viable offspring.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 30, 2007 10:13 pm
I don't know if cromagnon have ever mated with neanderthals, but its obvious they never made viable hybrid offspring-- there are no fossils of hybrids. What I'm getting at is that a semite can mate with a gentile and have children that can bare offspring. If Semites were of a different species of human they couldn't create a viable offspring with their Gentile counterparts. Also, If the Semites are related to the Neanderthals, their genomes would be larger than the homosapiens and they couldn't produce viable offspring.
EL KABLAMO,

Obviously the idea that semites are descended from neanderthals is absurd, and your refutal of it is very clear.

There is a point I would like to make though.


I don't know if cromagnon have ever mated with neanderthals, but its obvious they never made viable hybrid offspring-- there are no fossils of hybrids.
I don't think the lack of evidence in the fossil record would prove it. There are not that many fossils. If it were a rare occurance, it is probable that any offspring that could have been produced would not be found in the fossil record.

Although it has been shown that we don't share DNA with the neanderthals, that does not prove that there was no cross breading, and we don't have neanderthal ancestors.
Think about it, many people share less than 1% of DNA with their great-great-great-great-great grandparents. How much DNA could we share with Neanderthals.

Actually, I am not saying that we do, or not. I am just saying that it is not clear.

Devrim

[The Rover]

I'm not a master in knowing shit about genetics...but that's bullshit.

[TC]

Is that actually what they're saying, i've never heard that one before? I thought their theory was that northern europeans were homo sapiens sapiens/homo sapiens sapiens cro-magnon hybrids whereas other ethnic groups were just homo sapiens sapiens.

[Luís Henrique]

Never heard/read that.

I have read the idea that freckles and red hair are genetical characteristics of Neanderthal origin, but not in a racist context (that red-haired or freckled people are "inferior" because of that).

As far as I can tell, modern Jews are either mostly "semitic" (sefaradim) or mostly "aryan" (ashkenazim). Certainly the are of "caucasian" stock, and as such certainly closer to swedes or germans than to bantu or japanese people.

But pseudoscience knows no limits.

Luís Henrique

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Why should it even matter who was descended from who? I think the genetic science begun by Gregor Mendel's good-hearted experiments with pea plants, while being positive in the fight against some diseases, are really counter-productive when allowed to be interpreted the wrong way by the foolish. I think it's the same as when people try to apply Darwinism to social problems.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:42 am
I don't believe you. Not even Nazis can be that stupid.
The Neanderthals lived where the Semitic tribes lived, thats basis why some people think Semites are descended from Neanderthals.

The argument is anti-Semetic because it can try to assert that Semites are a different species than Gentiles. But as we all know they aren't a different species because they couldn't reproduce and have children which could also reproduce at maturity with gentiles, if they were.

[Devrim]

The Neanderthals lived where the Semitic tribes lived, thats basis why some people think Semites are descended from Neanderthals.

The Neanderthals are named after the Neander Valley (Thall in German). They lived in Western Europe, not in the Middle East.

Devrim

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 10:20 pm
The Neanderthals are named after the Neander Valley (Thall in German). They lived in Western Europe, not in the Middle East.

I hope people aren't thinking I believe Semites are descendants of Neanderthals and thereby trying to assert they are a different species, because no one here has seemed to have seen this argument.

I swear I didn't make this up.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by EL KABLAMO+July 02, 2007 10:27 pm--> (EL KABLAMO @ July 02, 2007 10:27 pm)
[email protected] 02, 2007 10:20 pm
The Neanderthals are named after the Neander Valley (Thall in German). They lived in Western Europe, not in the Middle East.

I hope people aren't thinking I believe Semites are descendants of Neanderthals and thereby trying to assert they are a different species, because no one here has seemed to have seen this argument.

I swear I didn't make this up. [/b]
No, I don't think you did. There are lots of right wing loonies trying to use psudeo-science to justify there racism though.
It is always good to know the facts about the case when arguing with them.
Devrim