Was Jesus a stoner - I have some evidence

[peaccenicked]

http://www.hightimes.com/htsite/news/conte...&tpage=2&cmnt=1 (http://www.hightimes.com/htsite/news/content.php?page=news_03021011&tpage=2&cmnt=1)

[canikickit]

I also have some evidence:

". . . thou shalt eat the herb of the field "
(Genesis 3:18)

". . . eat every herb of the land "
(Exodus 10:12)

"Better is a dinner of herb where love is,
than a stalled ox and hatred therewith"
(Proverbs 15:17)

"He Causeth the Grass to Grow for the Cattle,
and Herb for the Service of Man"
(Psalm 104:14)


This is irrefutable!


"And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them" (Mark 6:13).



I wouldn't mind healing myself sometime soon. :cool:

[October]

Then try this site http://www.swiftel.net/~jwipf/

You also could begin by checking the biblical references MISused in the article. They don't support it at all. Don't be so easily swayed by articles people, try testing out their sources like(Matthew 8, 10, 11; Mark 1; Luke 5, 7, 17) (John 9:6-15)(Luke 8:43-48) to name a few. Show me where in these verses this "oil" was used? Can't? Allow me to quote a few of these for those of you out there too lazy to gather FACTS for your OPINIONS.

Mathew 8:3 "Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured of his leprosy."

Mathew 10:9-10 in reference as to what the desciples should carry.. notice no "pouch full of medicine". "Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep."

Mathew 11:9-11 "At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."

Luke 7:6-10 "He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: "Lord, don't trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, "Go", and he goes; and that one, "Come", and he comes. I say to my servant, "Do this", and he does it." When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, "I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel." Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well."

Luke 8:43-48 "And a woman was there who had been subject to beeding for twelve years, but no one could heal her. She came up behind Him and touched the edge of His cloak, and immediately her bleeding stopped. "Who touched me?" Jesus asked. When they all denied it, Peter said, "Master, the people are crowding and pressing against you." But Jesus said, "Someone touched me; I know that power has gone out of me." Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed. Then he said to her, Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace."

[canikickit]

I fucking spit on that piece of shit article you posted!


Mohammed's life, as everyone knows, is the stuff of X-rated Hollywood: sex and violence. This is why the Mullahs of Mecca dread democracy and the freedom of the press that sustains it. This is also why Muslims go on a killing spree at the first slight of Mohammed's name. They are all unconsciously aware of the terrible uncleanness of that man, and know that to allow the slightest exposure of Mohammed's lecherous life is to invite examination of the whole, which would reduce Islam to universal ridicule.

Where is their evidence?

Not that I care, either way, so please don't bother trying to prove to me that Muhammed was any of those things. The above quote is inherently racist, I suggest you fuck off and find another forum, if you support that type of crap!

[peaccenicked]

I agree with Cannikickit. I have little time for racist morons especially those with hammers and sickle logos.

Anyway the proof is here (http://www.cannabis.net/articles/jesus-cannabis.html)

And if you think the guy who wrote ''Revelations'' was not tripping, ie having a bad trip then you must be on something pretty nasty yourself.

[October]

By the way, dyslexia can be helped canikick it. You obviously have a problem with reading the end before the beginning. For example:

Genesis 3:17-19 "To Adam he said, "Because you listened to you wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, "You must not eat of it," "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of you life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken;for dust you are and dust you will return"

Exodus 10:12 "And the Lord said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over Egypt so that locusts will swarm over the land and devour everything growing in the fields, everything left by the hail."

And if you didn't notice it's saying a meal of vegetables or "herbs" as though it is undesirable when compared to the fattened calf in Proverbs 15:17 "Better a meal of vegetable where there is love than a fattened calf with hatred."

Psalms 104:14 "He makes the grass grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate-bringing forth food from the earth"

[canikickit]

Fuck off. I have already made it clear, that I do not care about the bible or Jesus. Here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1727&start=10), I have gone into some of my beliefs about this "Religion" lark.

I suggest you stay in Opposing Idealogies in future.

[October]

Pardon me, I was under the impression that this was a discussion board and the topic was the validity of the statement "Jesus Was A Stoner" but if opposing opinions with factual representation intimidate you beyond your ability to tolerate then I will do my best to keep from causing you such discomfort with my replies.

Thank you for link to the religeous section, no doubt I will be posting there soon. Unfortunately it looks as though I'm going to have to post some of the things that Redstar2000 and I have been discussing all over again (thank God for copy and past)

[Dhul Fiqar]

What Peaccenicked did was bring up an amusing article from a magazine dedicated to Cannabis consumption. It's well known that hemp was used at that time, and stoners enjoy joking about or even considering the possibility that some folks didn't just use it for clothes and ointments.

What you did was post a disgusting link to a fundamentalist Christian site that contains some of the most ignorant and vile rhetoric against non-Christians that I have seen in a long time.

I quote:
"Culturally, politically, and morally, the Islamic mentality is essentially that of Arabian Nights, with the exception that it's sensual and blood-thirsty nature has been channeled from cannibalizing itself, to the murder of Christians and Jews and the sexual gratification"

What the FUCK did you think the response would be to crap like this? With regards to the quotes Canikickit brought up, I'll have you know that non-Muslim historians have long uncovered the source of these accusations against Muhammed.

They originate in Europe in the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after the prophet's death. It's odd that no one who was around at the same time as him noted any of this, and yet much later bishops calling for Holy War against the Turks suddenly find this very hand piece of information to demonize the entire Ummah. Read Karen Armstrong's book "Muhammed" for detailed historical analysis of his life. It's written by a white Western (American I think) woman, and she's not a Muslim.

You are spreading known lies, and I hope you get restricted to OI for it.

--- G.



(Edited by Dhul Fiqar at 3:06 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)

[October]

The targeted information on the link was that which was pertaining to the article about Jesus being a stoner. I thought you were big boys and were intelligent enough to conclude that the portion at the very top of the page pertaining to the article was the part that I desired to present to you. Now that I know otherwise, rest assured I will make every effort to hold your hand and guide you through everything.

[DEFMARX]

Well, October, you obviously don't smoke weed. You seem rather aggressive and elitest. Perhaps it is time for you to enjoy some of god's natural gift to man and mellow out a bit.
Also, any information from a fundamentalist Christian webpage is far from being reliable documentation about Jesus Christ. The one thing all truely philosphical minds must come to realize is that religion is the undisputed heavyweight chapion of bullshit. One must stand in awe of the bullshit that religion preaches. I believe and trust nothing that religions preach.

(Edited by DEFMARX at 8:03 am on Mar. 11, 2003)

[October]

I do apologize, not for my opinions, but for giving off such an aggressive impression. Perhaps I will take some of your advice and "mellow out a bit". I am currently attempting to move a debate I have been having over the whole God or no God issue with Redstar2000 over to the "Religeon is Shit" board. Perhaps you should catch up on the debate and join in. You can currently find it in the Jesus Was A Commie section. It began on page 4, if you intend on making a comment on it please read what we've already covered... I don't really want to have to post the same stuff all over again.

[CubaVictoria1983]

I'm insulted by the hammer and sickle comment, but..eh...whatever. Anyway...my comment to the Jesus was a stoner theory....how else would you write so much stuff? Seriously. If I ever had time to sit down and write up all the stuff I think about when I'm stoned, I'd probably have two three thousand page books either written by me or something I'd coax my fellow smoking friends to write...hehehehe....The bible is a great story...and is pretty great to bring up in a conversation when stoned. No doubt. I highly encourage it. The other comment about Muslims, I think that you'd have to be one to criticize. I was a Christian at one point of my short life, so I think the experience would allow me to decipher and question it........:)

[Dhul Fiqar]

Quote: from October on 3:35 pm on Mar. 11, 2003
The targeted information on the link was that which was pertaining to the article about Jesus being a stoner. I thought you were big boys and were intelligent enough to conclude that the portion at the very top of the page pertaining to the article was the part that I desired to present to you.


It has nothing to do with our size or gender. ;)

The point is you cited the site as a reliable source, which is quite frankly borderline insane when you read the rest of the stuff being posted there.

If I linked you to an article from the Iranian Cultural Ministry about how Iran really has a fantastic system, and you then found the rest of the site to be full of racist propaganda against people of other faiths, I doubt you would put much faith in the article.

The fact is you quoted a bunch of crackpots, we looked into the validity of the information and called you on the fact that it was cooked up by racist maniacs. Your response is that these people should not be judged by their overall sanity and morality, but by a single and highly oppinionated article that contradicts our views.

My response? Ehm... no.

--- G.

[Dhul Fiqar]

BTW, smoking Cannabis is a relatively new practice. It may have been used in some other form in olden times (there is evidence of medical and spiritual use, albeit limited, it in many cultures dating back thousands of years.)

Thus I doubt Jesus was in any way "a stoner", unless you would call people who wear hemp clothes and use hemp ointment and incense "stoners". Most hemp used around the world has little THC content and would require a substantial dose to be comparable to a modern skunk weed high.

In any case, it doesn't matter, it's just a funny article. Liven up ;)

[canikickit]

The above quote is inherently racist, I suggest you fuck off and find another forum, if you support that type of crap!

October, I would have expected you to address this and state that you do not support that bullshit rather than insult me by calling me dyslexic (especially after I made it clear to you before that the bible has no relevance to me). That is why I suggested you stick to OI.


The targeted information on the link was that which was pertaining to the article about Jesus being a stoner

The part I quoted was from the rebuttal to Jesus being a stoner.

To be honest, I was having a bit of a laugh, I thought it was quite funny how Peacce had phrased the thread (being that it was similar to the "Was Jesus a Commie"). I was reading happily through the article you posted when suddenly that anti-Muslim anti-Middle east crap popped-up.

In these times of tribulations, with mass racism, against the French and Muslim people in general, enveloping the US, the last thing we need is someone posting links to fundamentalist, racist tirades based on the cultures of others.

Now, like I said, I have no interest in whether what that article said is true or not (although I trust Dhul enough to believe it is not), but I view that link you posted as an attack on around a billion muslims across the globe.

(Edited by canikickit at 6:39 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)

[redstar2000]

Actually, October's link is "not guilty of racism"...at least not in the sense suggested.

It is a very peculiar site, no question about it. On the one hand, it attacks in the strongest terms the racism of southern "born-again" Christians and complains bitterly about senile shitheads like Jesse Helms "hijacking" Christianity to cover their own "sins".

At the same time, it compares "rap culture" with the proto-cultures of the great apes and features a quote from Jimi Hendrix on how the worse music you make, the better it sells.

It denounces anti-semitism in France, but complains that many "born-again Christians" defend Israel while refusing to proselytize the Jews.

So why the slightly hysterical "critique" of Islam? Frankly, I think it's "Coke vs. Pepsi" all over again. In their own weird way, the people at that site think the Arabs and other peoples who follow Islam "need" to be "redeemed" into the Christian faith. That's not "racism"--it's marketing.

While they draw attention to the bloody history of Islam, they hope the bloody history of Christianity will go unnoticed. Whatever you want to call that, it clearly is not racism.

I am coming around to the view, however, that all threads that contest the validity of religion really do belong in OPPOSING IDEOLOGIES.

:cool:

PS: I believe there is a chapter in the "Bible" where "Jesus" is explicitly "annointed" with "expensive oils"...it is "Judas" who complains that the oil should have been sold and the proceeds given to the poor, whereupon Jesus makes his famous statement "the poor ye shall always have with thee." I think the composition of those "oils" remains conjectural.

[October]

Wow, still stuck on the same snag. Sorry that you have still remained unable to free yourself from the earlier post Canikickit, would it soothe your sore if I remove the link?

[October]

Twice actually Redstar2000, but neithor of these had anything to do with the same oil as mentioned in Exodus.

Lu 7:37 "And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil,"

Joh 12:3 "Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil."

[canikickit]

You fool, October, I went to bed and when I came back I replied to what you had said, I am not stuck on anything.

Redstar, I view the indescriminate attack on people from the middle east as racist.

"This is also why Muslims go on a killing spree at the first slight of Mohammed's name. They are all unconsciously aware of the terrible uncleanness of that man"

Not only is this insane, it's also prejudiced.

Semantics aside, I don't particularily like it.