Nazism

[Dimentio]

I think I have seen some distortions here in the image of fascism, or more particularily, nazism, which could make it hard to realise what it is when you well encounter it. A lot of users seems to have that idea that nazists in general are pro-US, endorse the war in Iraq and are just a step beyond republicans. While that might be true for typical southern racists and some evangelicals, we must not forget that nazism is primarily a conspirationist and idealist petty-bourgeoisie doctrine which is both anti-worker and anti-banker. Most nazis hate the USA, hate the west, hate modern culture, and so on.

That is a distinction from modern conservatives, neo-liberals and neo-libertarians, who endorse the west, USA, and Israel. It is so to say quite unlikely that the multi-national corporations today would support a new Hitler. Rather, if the situation gets more radical, they would most likely opt for supranational solutions since neither fascism or nazism offers any solution to what they want to achieve today.

Modern day nazism is a consequence of social exclusion and economic globalisation, just like for example islamism. One could argue that the islamists have a lot more of legitime reasons to exist, but they are in fact mobilising support due to the same form of ressentiment.

Another important aspect, noted from recent elections throughout Europe, is that socialism have weakened and in itäs place, social-conservative fascism have managed to infiltrate traditional worker-class voting areas. The reason why Le Pen and Sarkozy have managed to win support is not because anti-fascists have failed to beat up their supporters, but because their image of reality corresponds more to what workers in former industrial areas see around themselves.

[Dr Mindbender]

Well said. Fascism has had to change aesthetically because they know the working class have become smarter. In the UK at least, people remember the war which is why they see through the swastikas and military regalia of the old-school national front. In came the smartly dressed clean cut image and careful language of the nu-wave BNP. The only reason they have done well is by exploiting people's fears and ignorance. The job of the anti fa is to help the general people see through the respectable front and to the skinhead thug behind it.

[Dimentio]

Yes, also note that the fascists of today are still petty-bourgeoisie. But another important difference is that they are afraid of globalisation, while big capital welcomes it. Therefore, modern fascists most often try to infiltrate left-wing movements to subvert them for their goals, rather than to court the big capital.

[fabiansocialist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:05 pm
A lot of users seems to have that idea that nazists in general are pro-US, endorse the war in Iraq and are just a step beyond republicans. While that might be true for typical southern racists and some evangelicals, we must not forget that nazism is primarily a conspirationist and idealist petty-bourgeoisie doctrine which is both anti-worker and anti-banker. Most nazis hate the USA, hate the west, hate modern culture, and so on.

Is there a coherent Nazi ideology or even weltanschauung? And the skinhead thugs of today -- are they Nazis (whatever that means today) beyond sporting swastikas?

Who and what is the "hard right?" And is there anything there beyond race violence and distrust of the status quo?

[Dimentio]

There are many different kinds of nazis. Some of them are just racists who simply dislike people of other colours. Some of them are antisemites or militarists. Some of them are pro-third world anti imperialism (and wear badges of Che or Mao). Others are catholic conservatives who are more anti-islamic than antisemitic. Others are pro-zionist, while others are third positionist (and some of them are national bolshevik).

[Spike]

Some of them are pro-third world anti imperialism (and wear badges of Che or Mao).
That is profoundly offensive. Insolent that you equate the struggle of oppressed peoples with the petit bourgeois of industrialized countries.

[Dimentio]

Eh... I did not do it? Some nazis do that though. Heck, there are even nazis in Germany who dress as antifa.