A Field Guide to Left-Wing Wackos

[IcarusAngel]

For those of you who aren't active in the anti-war movement in America, "Protest-Warrior" is an organization founded by Alan Lipton (a YEC who believes the earth is about 6,000 years old and uses arguments like "the chances of evolution happening are about the same as a tornado hitting a junk yard and leaving behind a Boing 747") and Kfir Alfia (a far right-wing Israeli; I've talked to him personally several times and he told me that he was basically a part of the objectivist cult, and defended the "hundreds of pages of nonfiction defending capitalism" when I told him it was a weak philosophy. Nice guy, bad politics).

The PW counter-movement burst onto the scene in 2003 with some bold goals, some of which were:

1. To strike at the "intellectual solar plexus" of the left by showing up at rallies with their "patriot truth missiles" (i.e. right-wing signs like "Keep blacks in blacks schools: say no to vouchers" and "Say no to war unless a democrat is President"), expose who's "really behind" these protest events (i.e. traitors), etc.

2. To put an end to leftist ideology once and for all by destroying their only outlets.

3. To provide the right-wing with documentation and evidence (more "ammo") as to why the war in Iraq is necessary.

As you can tell, their goals really didn't go to well. The Democrats regained control of the congress in 2006, the President's approval rating (current polls) is at a whopping 29%, and the leftist movements and protests around the world are as strong as ever.

Interestingly, after I and a few others exposed some of the chapter leaders as blatant liars, and in order to try and protect their few devoted users from "reality," they pulled their "open debate forums." So they did what any failing organization would do, they wrote a book that hits the shelves and right-wing online book stores tomorrow:

http://us.penguingroup.com/static/covers/all/9/7/9781595230379H.jpg

here (http://us.penguingroup.com/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9781595230379,00.html#)

Basically the book is a "case study" of what various "leftists" such as Hacktivists, Islamothugs, Anarchists, Communists, Blacktivists (whatever those are, I think the NAACP is for the rights of everybody), and so on.

For example, here are a few descriptions:
ANARCHISTS: "It is not uncommon to find an anarchist carrying a cell phone in their Dickie's pant pocket. Like their fellow traveler socialists and Islamothugs, they have no problem using the technologies made possibly only by Western-style capitalism ... It has been hypothesized that anarchists are slowly becoming immune to tear gas and new, more powerful strains are evolving"

COMMUNISTS: "Communists are considered the Maytag repairmen of liberal protesters, few and far between but somehow still devoted to a lost cause. ... Handling Tips: Ask a communist who their favorite communist dictator is. Hard-pressed to think of one who hasn't been responsible for murdering thousands of dissidents, they will panic and begin to sputter about how communism has never been properly implemented."

COLLEGE STUDENTS: "Although College Students spend a great deal of their energy protesting in support of what they perceive as ‘free speech,' another peculiar behavior exhibited by the College Student is shouting down and physically threatening conservative speakers invoted to campus. ... Another pastime is sacking conservative student newspaper stands."

etc.

Further descriptions available here (http://www.conservativebookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c7077).

It claims that all leftists are losers, unemployed, reek of patchouli oil, dumb or don't know what they're talking about, often gay ("The girl, with her shaved head and militaristic garb, was an obvious lesbian." --Alan Lipton observing a "leftist"), are lazy, and so on, and tries to educate the "employed," "articulate," and "intelligent" conservative and educated them with hilarious counter points ("Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything"). It also makes some bland comparisons (hippies and anarchists are two different things; I didn't even really know hippies were that common anymore).

Since I know the organization and their tactics and member base pretty well, I decided I'm going to write a review of the book for Amazon going off of what I outlined but I'd like to get some of your own comments as to what you think of these generalizations and "arguments." I would like the rightists here to do some inputting as well.

Again, what's interesting is that it's Protest-Warriors who are writing this book. "Articulate, intelligent conservatives" -- not really, the reading and writing of most of the protest-warriors was just above the level of Mexican immigrants (whom they loved to bush). Think coloneldummy, but worse.

The most active and dedicated Protest-Warriors were people from the South who were twenty somethings and admittedly were jobless lived and with their parents.

I know a couple of them personally, and a few of them admitted to me that they have some "mental problems" like Adult ADD, schizophrenia, etc., most of them spend their lives playing a game called "Cybernations" where they continue to promote their right-wing beliefs under the "FCC" group (Megami, MaineGOP, Rich333, etc.), the only thing they generally know about politics are bland clichés and (often racist and prejudiced) slogans, their experts are people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and others linked to at their website, and the webmaster's current girlfriend is about 14 years his junior and spent some time in a mental institution here in my city.

So I'm thinking of titling my review, "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Or maybe just "Who are the Protest-Warriors?" or perhaps "A field study of right-wing losers, liars, and cowards."

[Wanted Man]

* COLLEGE STUDENTS: "Although College Students spend a great deal of their energy protesting in support of what they perceive as ‘free speech,' another peculiar behavior exhibited by the College Student is shouting down and physically threatening conservative speakers invoted to campus. ... Another pastime is sacking conservative student newspaper stands."
Leave it up to the conservative movement to look down on educated people. Oh well, guess it's a life of flipping burgers for me, at least I'll be a proud patriot. :lol:

[Grava]

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything

After all these years they are still going with that statement? Last time I look at PW they were saying the same stuff they are saying now. Which leads me the believe that the people in PW are like those monkeys (the see/speak/hear no evil monkeys) but instead of evil it is sense.

Which is why my vote goes to "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

[redcannon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:17 pm

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything

After all these years they are still going with that statement? Last time I look at PW they were saying the same stuff they are saying now. Which leads me the believe that the people in PW are like those monkeys (the see/speak/hear no evil monkeys) but instead of evil it is sense.

Which is why my vote goes to "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
HAH! Fascism (and Nazism, although they are not quite the same) is a right-wing ideaology, "Communism" (in the sense that they use it) is still the government of 20% of the worlds population. I'm so sick of hearing that bullshit

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by Dick [email protected] 21, 2007 04:55 am

* COLLEGE STUDENTS: "Although College Students spend a great deal of their energy protesting in support of what they perceive as ‘free speech,' another peculiar behavior exhibited by the College Student is shouting down and physically threatening conservative speakers invoted to campus. ... Another pastime is sacking conservative student newspaper stands."
Leave it up to the conservative movement to attack people for being well-educated. Oh well, guess it's a life of flipping burgers for me, at least I'll be a proud patriot. :lol:
I actually detected a hint of jealously from the protest-warriors directed at me and other leftists there. They even admitted once they had less fun at one of their PW celebration events (mostly going into the woods and shooting guns at clay pigeons or something and a picnic) than leftists have in general.

Again it's ironic that they'd even make a statement claiming college students are violent considering it was common for protest-warriors to wish death upon muslims, leftists, communists, etc. and make childish threats against people. But when one of the protest-warriors made serious death threats against an Islamic poster on their message board it almost went to court (they paid him off and he left or something).

One of colonelguppy's friends (headshot, who posts at "PWIC," now "IC") claimed he had a "stint" in hardcore punk and even got into a fist fight or scuffle (he changed the story several times) with Henry Rollins, lead singer of black flag, in 1990 in Washington DC, and partied with him no less than 4 times at various hardcore shows.

What he didn't know is that I've been a long time hardcore punk fan, and I have Henry Rollins' email so I emailed him and asked him if he went to hardcore shows in DC and he said he was never there. (Black Flag also broke up in 1986, and the last time he said he was at a show was in the same year.)

Clearly, jealously and imitation of the left is what drives them, but they're still pretty funny.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:17 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything

After all these years they are still going with that statement?

Yes. It's even used as the prime example of a "witty comeback, demolishing zinger, and infuriating fact" as a selling-point on amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Left-Wing-Wackos-About/dp/1595230378/ref=sr_1_1/103-2217462-5110216?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182406051&sr=8-1
)



Last time I look at PW they were saying the same stuff they are saying now.

True. But even after they were attacked by fellow republicans (http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2005/08/29/protest-warriors_sm.wmv) at an anti-sheehan rally, and even after they were mocked on cracked. com (http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=News&sid=1952), and even after they realized they had no effect on politics, and that their largest PW "operation" was about 13 members showing up at a protest and relegated to the sidelines (despite their claims of a 10,000 member base), they're still trying to have an impact anyway they can.

So I guess you can't accuse them of giving up.



Which leads me the believe that the people in PW are like those monkeys (the see/speak/hear no evil monkeys) but instead of evil it is sense.

Which is why my vote goes to "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

It's a true statement, but I'm probably going to use a more engaging review title.

[Tower of Bebel]

This guid is so sick. you cannot take this serious.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 07:07 am
and make childish threats against people. But when one of the protest-warriors made serious death threats against an Islamic poster on their message board it almost went to court (they paid him off and he left or something).
Haha. I once got some threatening e-mail from their Dutch branch(YA RLY!) because I made fun of them on Soviet Empire. I would have been more intimidated if they had gotten my address right. It said something like: "Watch yourself, your freedom of speech is not guaranteed". All this, of course, from liberty lovers. :)

[JazzRemington]

I thought they went under recently? Their forums closed down due to lack of membership if I remember correctly.

Again they show the irony of their "wit." They claim to want to show facts but in fact (no pun intended) show 1) that they are merely propaganda makers and not fact makers and 2) they can only engage in ad-hominem attacks that are not based on any facts or if they are they do not cite their references.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 06:34 am
This guid is so sick. you cannot take this serious.
You underestimate the american right wing grossly. They swallow this pap with gusto, just look at some of the other books that got big (war on christmas for example :lol: ).

I really thought that PW was pretty much an irrelevance now, oh well - life is full of surprises.

[JazzRemington]

Seems our friends have problems with paper work, as they are "not in good standing" with the state of Texas [1].

[1] http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cp..._ID=13836848054 (http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=ProtestWarrior%20&Button=search&Search_ID=13836848054)

[cormacobear]

Brilliant write up and analysis thanks. At least the title is blatant enough to turn off most buyers. The other day I was perusing the book store and considered picking up "The Unfinished Canadian" By Andrew Cohen. Not being familiar with Cohen and intriqued by the title I decided i'd have a look for more info when I got home leaving instead with a history of Ancient Greek Wars.

Later that day I went to a news site to look up more info on the introduction of Canada's 'No Fly List' and found this article not realizing it's topic but finding anything critiscizing the Fraser Institute worth reading and ended up glad i'd not given this hack, racist appolygist my money.

http://thetyee.ca/Books/2007/06/20/Cohen/

The article also mentions the book "Holding the Bullies Coat" by Linda McQuaig, whom I rescently heard lecture and found quite compelling. I need to recommend Holding the Bullies Coat, as the most recent accurate analysis of North America's International politics and politico-economic collusion.

[Publius]

They wrote a book? Hahahahaha. And it was published? By Penguin? Hahahahaha.

That's rich as hell.

Actually, I find it less amazing as time goes on. What you have to realize is, this book will probably sell like hot-cakes to the Hannity crowd. They'll be on all the talk shows, they'll release the obligatory cassette and CD versions to play to their audience, etc.

And call it "Who are the Warriors?" without the 'Protest'. It makes the movie reference better.

I must as also say, the sentence " How to confront, tease and taunt these wackos with witty comebacks, demolishing zingers, and infuriating facts. (Here’s one: “War never solved anything ... except for slavery, fascism, Nazism and communism!”)" is probably the most unintentionally funny thing ever written.

I'm interested in figuring out which war 'solved' slavery, because, as far as I know, slavery is still rampant in parts of the world, particularly sex slavery. Is this one of those 'infuriating facts' they talked about? War also never 'solved' communism. First of all it doesn't make sense to say any of these things were "solved", that's just bad English. War did not 'solve' Nazism, though it may have ended it. Sadly for them, it did neither to communism.

Even the title is ungrammatical. "A Field Guide to Left-Wing Wackos: And What to Do About Them"

The colon serves absolutely no purpose in that title.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 02:20 am
I'm interested in figuring out which war 'solved' slavery, because, as far as I know, slavery is still rampant in parts of the world, particularly sex slavery.
Well, they say that "football (soccer) is war", but at the World Cup in Germany last year, that kind of war didn't solve the rampant human trafficking and enslavement of tens of thousands (yes, tens of thousands) of Eastern European women. I guess a game just isn't a game when fat, balding 50-year-old Brits can't throw away even more money so as to finally lose their virginity. Aww hell, why even single out Brits? Given the enormous supply of sex slaves in Germany, there must have been a pretty big demand as well. Pretty sickening if you think about it.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.

[Publius]

Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.

That's not being pedantic, thats' pointing out an 'infuriating fact'.

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 09:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
Good point, they usually just collapse from their unsustainability before that can occur.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

regardless, it wasn't war that "solved" the "problem"

[Janus]

I thought they went under recently?
In that case, this is most likely an attempt by the founders to generate funds and publicity for their decrepit organization which seems to have largely run out of steam.

[Patchd]

most of them spend their lives playing a game called "Cybernations" where they continue to promote their right-wing beliefs under the "FCC" group (Megami, MaineGOP, Rich333, etc.)

No shit!? :o
I've seen them around as I'm the LSF diplomat to them :lol: :lol:
Would you like me to post a link of this to them, in case any of them would like to come over and debate the issue with you here?

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by Publius+June 22, 2007 01:20 am--> (Publius @ June 22, 2007 01:20 am)They wrote a book? Hahahahaha. And it was published? By Penguin? Hahahahaha.

That's rich as hell.[/b]

Yeah, Penguin publishes some interesting stuff as well, some nice classics and even a few good computer books. This show that the mainstream publishing companies will really publish anything as long as it makes them money, no matter how poorly researched or vacuous the content may be.


Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 01:20 am
Actually, I find it less amazing as time goes on. What you have to realize is, this book will probably sell like hot-cakes to the Hannity crowd. They'll be on all the talk shows, they'll release the obligatory cassette and CD versions to play to their audience, etc.

It's already selling more copies than some of David Horowitz's and Michelle Malkin's books. Granted, it's newer than their filth, but still for a pretty much unknown organization that's pretty good.

You have to take into account that it's being promoted on "Conservative Book Service" and other conservative websites (probably NewsMax etc.) and when that happens, usually the books will end up being bought in bulk. Pretty much every NY Times best-selling conservative book will have an asterisk next to it indicating that it's being bought in bulk as well (i.e., Ann Coulter's poison). So, most likely a majority of the copies of this book will end up as mulch for some farmer, or whatever they do with them when conservative buy books en masse to try and prop up the sales overall.


Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 01:20 am
And call it "Who are the Warriors?" without the 'Protest'. It makes the movie reference better.

I must as also say, the sentence " How to confront, tease and taunt these wackos with witty comebacks, demolishing zingers, and infuriating facts. (Here’s one: “War never solved anything ... except for slavery, fascism, Nazism and communism!”)" is probably the most unintentionally funny thing ever written.

What I'll probably do is clean the grammar and post an outline similar to what I wrote above, and then write something specific about the book as Amazon will remove reviews that are too scathing of only the author and not the content or whatever, though sometimes they allow one line attacks for some reason.


[email protected] 22, 2007 01:20 am
I'm interested in figuring out which war 'solved' slavery, because, as far as I know, slavery is still rampant in parts of the world, particularly sex slavery. Is this one of those 'infuriating facts' they talked about? War also never 'solved' communism. First of all it doesn't make sense to say any of these things were "solved", that's just bad English. War did not 'solve' Nazism, though it may have ended it. Sadly for them, it did neither to communism.

Even the title is ungrammatical. "A Field Guide to Left-Wing Wackos: And What to Do About Them"

The colon serves absolutely no purpose in that title.

Political "facts" in political science are much like they are in history: a certain politician won in 1896 over somebody else, such and such poll indicates this, and so forth, and then to build their theories they look at a combination of facts and situations to base them off of.

The statement that war ended communism, fascism, slavery is an opinion, not a fact, and a poor one at that. For one, most countries that no longer have chattel slavery did so without using war and violence. So that's a lie. Second, as you mention, slavery is still around, including the Caste systems in India, sex slavery, and what people (mainly leftists) have been calling "wage slavery" for hundreds of years is more rampant now than ever. So again we see how opinion comes into it and how "basic facts" actually contradict their point.

But as ridiculous as that statement is I find their condemnation of intellectuals. For example, they claim:

"Since the 1960s, American universities have become the main breeding grounds and feeding troughs for Intellectuals. ... They make profound and sweeping statements about the global economy, human rights, the environment and international politics even though they teach linguistics or art history."

Clearly a pot-shot at Noam Chomsky, and probably somebody in art history they don't like. But the fact is that intellectuals often write the most brilliant and factually accurate (and even non-ideological) accounts of history and foreign affairs, because they know how to do research. One of the best condemnations of the Bush administration and the damage to the "empire" I've read is written by such a person, who points out the absurdities of people like Thomas Friedman, Michael Ignatieff, and their now clearly bogus statements in Iraq.

It's not like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage (who has a degree in something completely unrelated to politics), Hannity etc. and the people they listen to are exactly experts in the first place. For that matter, Kfir has a degree in computer engineering and Alan is a film school drop out. So they're hypocrites as well.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by pusher robot+June 22, 2007 02:53 pm--> (pusher robot @ June 22, 2007 02:53 pm)
Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 09:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
Good point, they usually just collapse from their unsustainability before that can occur. [/b]
Yeah, but also the capitalist dictatorships all over South America (Argentina, Chile, and so on) collapsed as well and the free-market, neo-liberal reforms are often met with fierce opposition from the public, who often times are able to drive out Bechtel and other corporations. The United States capitalistic system hasn't collapsed or been reformed or brought under more democratic control, but neither has China, and while China is strengthening and implementing some changes, the US is weakening, losing its position as an imperial power.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 07:26 pm

most of them spend their lives playing a game called "Cybernations" where they continue to promote their right-wing beliefs under the "FCC" group (Megami, MaineGOP, Rich333, etc.)

No shit!? :o
I've seen them around as I'm the LSF diplomat to them :lol: :lol:
Would you like me to post a link of this to them, in case any of them would like to come over and debate the issue with you here?
Yes, you didn't know that? Hmmm... I wonder why they wouldn't make their connections to PW known :lol:

Anyway, their "group" was pretty much formed on Protest-Warrior and originally consisted entirely of protest warriors.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/FCC/index.php?act=Members

Pretty much everybody with a "V" next to their name is a protest-warrior (Maverick, Vixsin, mike73, jdh, MacFall, Unforgiving Savior), and that Rich333 guy is total prejudiced idiot who used to advocated complete US dominance over all arab/middle-eastern nations ala Ann Coulter with the United States forcing their way of life (capitalism) on the people. They call themselves "imperailist libertarians" and think that the US has been "too weak" on the muslim countries.

That idiot even got banned from cybernations for his prejudiced filth once but was let back in.

I notice they're calling themselves capitalists, but given that many of them advocate a "genocide of islamo-fascists" etc. I'd hardly even put them at that level. Some of the things they claimed were things such as "fuck civil rights," "kill sand niggers," etc.

I'm getting pretty tired of their lies -- and they'll tell any lie -- but maybe I'll just go over there to make fun of them. Maybe put in my signature "FCC = pseudo-libertarians, idiots, liars, etc." as I know that will piss them off.

Is it normal for people to take the game that seriously, though? They act like they're really in command of a nation all the time.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 06:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
What about North Korea?

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 02:55 pm
Seems our friends have problems with paper work, as they are "not in good standing" with the state of Texas [1].

[1] http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cp..._ID=13836848054 (http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=ProtestWarrior%20&Button=search&Search_ID=13836848054)
LOL. They can't even run a business properly. The PWs were also behind various online scams and schemes, such as "Askgod.com," who "invented" the "phoneternet" service.

For a small monthly fee of 25 dollars, you could call up an AskGod.com "Angel" and have them look up information on the internet for you. Apparently 4-11 just isn't good enough. :lol: Not to mention you can get internet on your phone if you need to look up something, but they claim that was too much hassle, at least compared to paying an extra $25 a month to be issued a "calling card PIN" and having some unknown company look it up for you.

The brilliantly named "AskGod" was actually promoted in NewsMax articles (a political site; conservatives at least look out for their own), though most conservatives didn't like the name, for obvious reasons, and this particular "high-tech" company was co-owned by his brother's car body shop.

I wish I was making this stuff up:

http://www.metafilter.com/42312/Ill-stick-to-AskMe-thanks

If you scroll down half a page, you find that Kfir himself is there trolling that article, defending his idea and his "company." Like PW, they resurrected it, now called personal maestro (http://www.personalmaestro.com/index.php).

Never give up hope PWs. :D

[Publius]

You know what I just realized...

This book idea seems almost entirely cribbed from a (commence laughing) Michael Savage book.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Zoo

Basically, both are rather lame, unfunny attempts at a sort of 'taxonomy' of various enemies of the reactionary right, not a particularly brilliant idea, but give them credit for trying. Or at least, give Savage credit, because it's pretty obvious that the PW book is a cheap imitation, down to the cartoony cover art. Hell, they even seem to use the same font, something like Arial or Lucida or something...

I mean, compare:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/ThePoliticalZoocover.PNG

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WIbsN%2BR-L._SS500_.jpg

Great minds think alike, I guess.

:lol:

[IcarusAngel]

LOL. Nice find. Unbelievable.

The PWs always were copycats, I guess. Basically they just replaced the individuals with certain groups at protests. Never an original idea at PW (counter-protesting existed long before they came along).

I like the similar books on amazon, the "Politically Incorrect Guide to the South/Global Warming/Darwinism/etc." series, the Reagan diaries, and other political pornography.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Palachinov+June 22, 2007 08:26 pm--> (Palachinov @ June 22, 2007 08:26 pm)
most of them spend their lives playing a game called "Cybernations" where they continue to promote their right-wing beliefs under the "FCC" group (Megami, MaineGOP, Rich333, etc.)

No shit!? :o
I've seen them around as I'm the LSF diplomat to them :lol: :lol:
Would you like me to post a link of this to them, in case any of them would like to come over and debate the issue with you here? [/b]
Yeah, he's right. I once called out Rich333 and Megami on it, I asked them, why be in a pro-war org when you are anti-war libertarians (that's what they claim to be on those forums)? Never got a straight answer, of course. :lol: Showed them the cracked.com article too, Megami said something like "We get a lot of hilarious stuff from our infiltration of Workers World too, but we won't show you".


Is it normal for people to take the game that seriously, though? They act like they're really in command of a nation all the time.
To fit in, I guess. I have no idea why they moved to CN en masse. Just to have fun playing the game? Then why keep up the "anti-war anarcho-capitalist" façade? Maybe the photographs of all known leftists in the "Picture Thread" have already been forwarded. Or maybe their IPs (Rich333 is a mod on the CN forums, previously under the name "Bastiat", now I believe it's "Master Vivi", might be wrong though).


Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 23, 2007 01:11 am

Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 06:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
What about North Korea?
Stalemate, negotiated peace.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by Dick [email protected] 23, 2007 05:31 am
Yeah, he's right. I once called out Rich333 and Megami on it, I asked them, why be in a pro-war org when you are anti-war libertarians (that's what they claim to be on those forums)?
LOL wtf????

Those two were openly pro-war on the PW forum and openly argued with Libertarians and leftists who opposed the war in Iraq.

Rich333 got into an argument with a libertarian named "Skytrooper" there about the "necessity" of dropping the a-bomb on Hiroshima. I'll let you guess which side he was on heh.

Show you how serious they take politics. I actually found myself having to defend real libertarians against those trolls.

PW is good for a laugh and that's about it, they are irrelevant. Yeah, you read that right PWs, you're worthless.

If I go to cybernations though and he's a mod I'll probably get banned.

[Wanted Man]

I'm not surprised. Seems they've gotten their best troll squad for the CN forums. Most vocal are Rich333, Megami, Jhouserok, MaineGOP, Näktergal, Regolith and TsarZiedonis, I'm sure at least some of those names are familiar to you. There are others who are PW, but not in the FCC, think Josef Thorne.

And of course, they use typical Russian internet troll squad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vlad_fedorov/Internet_troll_squads) methods. They also include their own cute little "good cop, bad cop" method, where one hardcore Republican will talk to you for a while, and then you get an "anti-war anarcho-capitalist" in the next post.

It's kind of sad.

[cormacobear]

If you want to fight fire with fire you can always grab a member from here to back you up or play off you, and set you up.

Start red and go to purple then names you recognize. If you click on a regular name who is online pretty quick you'll find a MSN messenger where you can set up the best scenario to lay out truths. and verbally beat the crap out of idiots (Learn about academic journals and peer review and you'll be right more than them)

[Janus]

Originally posted by (JazzRemington @ June [email protected] 2007 02:55 pm)
Seems our friends have problems with paper work, as they are "not in good standing" with the state of Texas [1].

[1] http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cp..._ID=13836848054

LOL. They can't even run a business properly. The PWs were also behind various online scams and schemes, such as "Askgod.com," who "invented" the "phoneternet" service.
Which is why the book probably came out at this time in order to raise funds for and place new steam into the group.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Originally posted by pusher robot+June 22, 2007 04:53 pm--> (pusher robot @ June 22, 2007 04:53 pm)
Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 09:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
Good point, they usually just collapse from their unsustainability before that can occur. [/b]
Right, they all collapse in the blink of an eye - for instance, after 70 years - and have few opportunities for armed conflict (just a World War here and there, with the occasional greatest-land-invasion-in-history being directed against them...) <_<

[BreadBros]

Actually their start-up is still in business. According to this WND article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52929), AskGod changed its name to: Personal Maestro (http://personalmaestro.com/). They already have 2 "Rip-Off Reports" on them though:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/224/ripoff0224889.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/235/ripoff0235385.htm

Mr. Adam & Kfir Alfia called my girlfriend up for a report she made on this site, and threatened to sue her if she didn&#39;t have the record &#39;expunged.&#39; Mr. Adam Alfia is probably used to using this term, but I will leave his public court records out of this report.

I was not fired, I walked out. Reply Kfir, reply anyone who wants to talk about me as a employee. I was not a good employee, I did not like the job, nor the way the company was handled and I walked out. YES, that is horrible and a bad thing to do but that is what I deemed appropriate. This company has no structure or employee advocacy, no HR department, nothing to entitle the employees to their rights. I feel mine are being trampled under.
[...]
Anything is monitored, i am used to this seeing as I have been in numerous other companys like this but they take it to the highest levels. Kfir and steve still look at my personal myspace/yahoo account today seeing as I have IP tracers on all my profiles or accounts. Their Ip&#39;s show up on daily basis from little elm-where steve is from and the same ip in austin shows up all the time while I worked there. Really its just myspace, the pictures are pretty but stop looking.

Well...that sounds like a delightful company to work for. Who would have guessed that two "Objectivists" would potentially be bad bosses to work for?

[pusher robot]

70 years, oh boy, wow&#33; As a resident of the country with the longest continually operating - and most capitalist - government, now going on nearly two and a half centuries, color me unimpressed.

The salient fact was that the USSR arguably never lost a war - but it&#39;s not around anymore anyways. The U.S. has lost wars, but is not likely to collapse any time soon.

[Comrade Phil]

Originally posted by pusher [email protected] 26, 2007 02:28 pm
The salient fact was that the USSR arguably never lost a war - but it&#39;s not around anymore anyways. The U.S. has lost wars, but is not likely to collapse any time soon.
The U.S. has also never been as severely war-ravaged as the USSR. In 45&#39; the Yanks came home to a perfectly intact nation with a reinvigorated economy, while Russians came home to destruction and famine. The US had a pretty clear advantage right from the start of the Cold War.

Also, unlike the USSR, the U.S. has not fought a war (excluding limited battles) on it&#39;s own soil for over a century. Even when they have lost a foreign war, their existence has never been threatened. I highly doubt the US could have survived an invasion similar in magnitude to that of the Eastern Front of World War Two.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Originally posted by pusher robot+June 26, 2007 04:28 pm--> (pusher robot @ June 26, 2007 04:28 pm) 70 years, oh boy, wow&#33; [/b]
Most countries in the world have been independent for less than 70 years.


Originally posted by pusher [email protected]
As a resident of the country with the longest continually operating [...] government
The United Kingdom? Sweden? Denmark? Switzerland? San Marino? (they claim continuity all the way back to Roman times)


pusher robot
The salient fact was that the USSR arguably never lost a war - but it&#39;s not around anymore anyways.
So? I thought we were talking about the usefulness of war (as in the protest warrior slogan).

The fact that X is not around anymore, by itself, proves nothing about X - all things must end eventually, after all.

[pusher robot]

So? I thought we were talking about the usefulness of war (as in the protest warrior slogan).

No, I was responding to the aside about a communist government never having lost a war. I&#39;m not really sure what was meant by that, but the implication was that communist states were somehow more robust, a specious argument in my view.

[freakazoid]

The U.S. has lost wars, but is not likely to collapse any time soon.

lol, Keep telling yourself that. It is going to collapse, and it isn&#39;t that far off.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 10:48 pm

The U.S. has lost wars, but is not likely to collapse any time soon.

lol, Keep telling yourself that. It is going to collapse, and it isn&#39;t that far off.
It probably won&#39;t &#39;collapse&#39; soon in any sense but China is definitely going to overtake it within 30 years.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

What exactly do you mean by "overtake"?

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Dr. Rosenpenis+June 27, 2007 01:54 am--> (Dr. Rosenpenis @ June 27, 2007 01:54 am) What exactly do you mean by "overtake"? [/b]

o·ver·take /ˌoʊvərˈteɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[oh-ver-teyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -took, -tak·en, -tak·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to catch up with in traveling or pursuit; draw even with: By taking a cab to the next town, we managed to overtake and board the train.
2. to catch up with and pass, as in a race; move by: He overtook the leader three laps from the finish.
3. to move ahead of in achievement, production, score, etc.; surpass: to overtake all other countries in steel production.
4. to happen to or befall someone suddenly or unexpectedly, as night, a storm, or death: The pounding rainstorm overtook them just outside the city.
–verb (used without object)
5. to pass another vehicle: Never overtake on a curve.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overtake

He means that China will catch up with the US in 30 years.


[email protected] 22, 2007 02:20 am
Even the title is ungrammatical. "A Field Guide to Left-Wing Wackos: And What to Do About Them"

The colon serves absolutely no purpose in that title.
What, didn&#39;t you get the memo? Basic understanding of grammar is no longer necessary to get published. Welcome to the Free World.

[Eleftherios]

Originally posted by Dr. Rosenpenis+June 23, 2007 12:11 am--> (Dr. Rosenpenis @ June 23, 2007 12:11 am)
Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 06:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
What about North Korea? [/b]
Actually, believe it or not, the war between North and South Korea never really ended. There was just a ceasefire that has continued to this day. North and South Korea are still at war.

[IcarusAngel]

They talk about the owners background in criminal mischief and then try to make it out as if these two people broke into some interface to find out that information. Frankly, that is untrue. The public data website was a paid site we used and all of use know and knew his criminal record while we worked there. So, that lie was uncalled for KFIR.

The Protest-Warriors have criminal records? Why doesn&#39;t this surprise me?

OK, Kfir, what did you do now? Illegally stocking somebody again? Fraud? Illegal hiring/labor practices? What?


Kfir and steve still look at my personal myspace/yahoo account today seeing as I have IP tracers on all my profiles or accounts. Their Ip&#39;s show up on daily basis from little elm-where steve is from and the same ip in austin shows up all the time while I worked there.

HAHAHAHAHA. Looks like Ayn Rand&#39;s schizophrenic rantings and alternate reality has gotten you in a tizzy, made you a bit paranoid, eh Kfir? Cults are fun, aren&#39;t they?

This should serve as a warning to those RevLefters playing "cybernations" with the other PWs. If the protest-warriors find out you&#39;re a leftist and are mocking them, they will spy and "monitor" you; perhaps it will even be Kfir himself or one of the other head honchos engaging in these Big Brother tactics.

God damn &#39;em. Currently I have a few PW "monitors" (don&#39;t laugh, if the PWs know which cybernation is associated with your screenname, you too probably have a few monitors "assigned" to you as well; they work in teams). The purpose of digging up pointless information and "monitoring" people is to try and "out" them on public forums. To "out" somebody in the PW sense is to post all the (supposedly) negative information they can about them, in the hopes that they quit barraging Protest-Warrior with criticism. Physically, most of the PWs are of no threat to anybody, but they like to pretend they&#39;ll "come and get you."

I just have a few questions for Kfir, though (if there&#39;s a criticism of Protest-Warrior anywhere on the internet, he will be reading it, trust me):

Before I bash your book on Amazon, I thought maybe I&#39;d let you respond to some of my criticisms of Protest-Warriors:

If you&#39;re against people annoying others, why did "PWIC" exist to go around flaming message boards, and then brag about it on the PW forums? I don&#39;t know about Israel, but in the US "peacefully assembling" is protected under the First Amendment of the constitution. Protesters have every right to go out and protest, but you have no right to forcefully disrupt them. However, an internet website is private property. So, the Protest-Warrior internet troll brigade (http://www.debatepolitics.com/57016-post7.html) is far more of an "annoyance" when they raid other forums with their BS.

Why do your protest-warriors play "good cop/bad cop" on cybernations where one minute they&#39;ll be arguing for tougher immigration laws and the Iraq war, and the next minute they&#39;ll be arguing for amnesty and taking the anti-war stance? Can&#39;t your Protest-Warriors think straight?

You write in your book that left-wingers like to "look tough," but why is it that your Protest-Warriors lied about their lives continually, putting themselves in "tough" situations. Why did one of your most dedicated Protest-Warriors, PW_shithead, claim he was a "regular" at hardcore shows in the 90s, starting fist fights and riots (his words), and even got into a scuffle (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Refugee_Camp/index.php?showtopic=2011) with Henry Rollins? He listed no bands that were popular in the 1990s, and if he was fighting with Henry Rollins at a hardcore show it would have to have been in the early 1980s. He claims to be 30 years old (though he looks about 15), so he would have been about 9 or 10 while they were touring. Why did he make up those ridiculous stories about beating up mexicans and shit? When it was exposed that he was just a little guy (about 5&#39;4, 125 pounds is my estimate), why then did he start lying about having sex (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Refugee_Camp/index.php?showtopic=1975) with gothic women 7" taller than he is? Why does he refuse (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Refugee_Camp/index.php?showtopic=2012) to admit he&#39;s a liar? etc. Why did he claim he or one of his friends invented the underflip and the kickflip, when it&#39;s well known Rodney Mullen invented those tricks...

Who says shit like this in the first place? Why did he claim he had a brother who had a Ph.D in chemical engineering and that he was from a family of scientists, yet he has made bullshit statements regarding chemistry and math.

http://home.comcast.net/~oldtimehardcore/protestwarrior.png

Doesn&#39;t sound like someone who came from a line of chemical engineers to me. I could have my University look up the dissertation but, again, he provided no evidence for this. He seems as someone who pretends to be tough, smart etc. At least leftists will back up their statements and make them in public, instead of hiding behind the internet like a little troll.

Why did he claim other people on the forum were "gay" but he went to StudentsforDemocracy and tried to have "buttsechs" with twiw? (here (http://www.studentsfordemocracy.org/sfd/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58099&PN=1&TPN=3) and here (http://www.studentsfordemocracy.org/sfd/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58099&PN=1&TPN=7))...

Why does he claim leftists are liars (with no proof of course), but lies about his own life continually? Is this your best representative of a protest-warrior?

http://photos2.flickr.com/3606585_1d9ea66edf.jpg

That&#39;s him second from the left, isn&#39;t it? He got into a scuffle with Henry Rollins and invented the underflip?

If leftists hold "crazy" beliefs, why is it that a majority of Americans actually oppose the Iraq war? Why did you give an interview to the Christian Reconstructionist Foundation claiming: "We&#39;re going to be protesting abortion more and more, and we&#39;ll probably get involved in the defense of marriage, too." That&#39;s a minority view.

On the HQ board, why did one of the protest-warriors writes:

"The war in Iraq is a religious war and the war at home is too. They are both wars of conquest. Islam & The Godless VS Western Civilization. The loveless, merciless "Peaceniks" are under demonic posession rooted in their hatred of our evangelical president. Fear not, the victory was won at Calvary." xxxxxx

by drive them out i mean take this country back for Christ, win the war and make it such a hellhole for the loony librals that they will want to move to canada"

The Christian reconstructionists are a far right-wing fundamentalist group who are trying to speed up the destruction of the world so they can prepare for the return of Jesus Christ in the up and coming rapture.

Why do you claim that you have tens-of-thousands of dedicated Protest-Warriors as members, but only 5-15 Protest-Warriors ever show up at a rally?

Why did you _really_ take down the forums? Was it because the PWs were an embarrassment, or because the PWs were getting humiliated in debate and even real conservatives (t_wolves, VinceYoungFan, etc.) were mocking them. Not to mention the only intelligent protest-warriors ended up switching sides, moving further to the left (Libertarian, Goose, etc.) when they saw how stupid the protest-warriors were. Why won&#39;t any of the protest-warriors debate me one-on-one. Was it because the last protest-warrior who did that, Gil, was humiliated and then switched his position on Iraq to assassination after that.

Why do the small, protest-weenies like Wanderer, shithead, etc. threaten to beat people up on the internet and then refuse to ever back up any of their statements? Why do you claim that leftists take themselves too seriously but the Pretend-Warriors pretend that they&#39;re going to kill people, on the internet, no less?

Sounds pretty crazy and desperate to me. I can&#39;t tell if you&#39;re even serious with Protest-Warrior, or if this is just another one of your "get rich quick" schemes to tell a bunch of right-wing dupes what they want to hear in order to try and make money off of them. Isn&#39;t there something in the Bible that condemns taking advantage of idiots?

Get out of politics you moron.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 27, 2007 12:54 am
What exactly do you mean by "overtake"?
I mean acquire a &#39;bigger economy&#39; not invade it militarilly or something (as much as that would amuse me).

What dick dastardly said.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Alcaeos+June 28, 2007 11:43 pm--> (Alcaeos &#064; June 28, 2007 11:43 pm)
Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 23, 2007 12:11 am

Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 06:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
What about North Korea?
Actually, believe it or not, the war between North and South Korea never really ended. There was just a ceasefire that has continued to this day. North and South Korea are still at war. [/b]
Correction, The US and the DPRK are still in a de facto state of war. The ROK is one of DPRK&#39;s biggest aid donors, second to China. The US still has no diplomatic relations.

[Guerrilla22]

The people posting on protest war are so detatched from reality it&#39;s imposible to take them seriously. They&#39;re convinced that Reagan was the re-incarnation of Jesus himself and no matter how low his approval ratings, they still consider Bush to hugely successful. :lol:

[MarcX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 04:42 am
For those of you who aren&#39;t active in the anti-war movement in America, "Protest-Warrior" is an organization founded by Alan Lipton (a YEC who believes the earth is about 6,000 years old and uses arguments like "the chances of evolution happening are about the same as a tornado hitting a junk yard and leaving behind a Boing 747") and Kfir Alfia (a far right-wing Israeli; I&#39;ve talked to him personally several times and he told me that he was basically a part of the objectivist cult, and defended the "hundreds of pages of nonfiction defending capitalism" when I told him it was a weak philosophy. Nice guy, bad politics).

The PW counter-movement burst onto the scene in 2003 with some bold goals, some of which were:

1. To strike at the "intellectual solar plexus" of the left by showing up at rallies with their "patriot truth missiles" (i.e. right-wing signs like "Keep blacks in blacks schools: say no to vouchers" and "Say no to war unless a democrat is President"), expose who&#39;s "really behind" these protest events (i.e. traitors), etc.

2. To put an end to leftist ideology once and for all by destroying their only outlets.

3. To provide the right-wing with documentation and evidence (more "ammo") as to why the war in Iraq is necessary.

As you can tell, their goals really didn&#39;t go to well. The Democrats regained control of the congress in 2006, the President&#39;s approval rating (current polls) is at a whopping 29%, and the leftist movements and protests around the world are as strong as ever.

Interestingly, after I and a few others exposed some of the chapter leaders as blatant liars, and in order to try and protect their few devoted users from "reality," they pulled their "open debate forums." So they did what any failing organization would do, they wrote a book that hits the shelves and right-wing online book stores tomorrow:

http://us.penguingroup.com/static/covers/all/9/7/9781595230379H.jpg

here (http://us.penguingroup.com/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9781595230379,00.html#)

Basically the book is a "case study" of what various "leftists" such as Hacktivists, Islamothugs, Anarchists, Communists, Blacktivists (whatever those are, I think the NAACP is for the rights of everybody), and so on.

For example, here are a few descriptions: ANARCHISTS: "It is not uncommon to find an anarchist carrying a cell phone in their Dickie&#39;s pant pocket. Like their fellow traveler socialists and Islamothugs, they have no problem using the technologies made possibly only by Western-style capitalism ... It has been hypothesized that anarchists are slowly becoming immune to tear gas and new, more powerful strains are evolving"

COMMUNISTS: "Communists are considered the Maytag repairmen of liberal protesters, few and far between but somehow still devoted to a lost cause. ... Handling Tips: Ask a communist who their favorite communist dictator is. Hard-pressed to think of one who hasn&#39;t been responsible for murdering thousands of dissidents, they will panic and begin to sputter about how communism has never been properly implemented."

COLLEGE STUDENTS: "Although College Students spend a great deal of their energy protesting in support of what they perceive as ‘free speech,&#39; another peculiar behavior exhibited by the College Student is shouting down and physically threatening conservative speakers invoted to campus. ... Another pastime is sacking conservative student newspaper stands."
etc.

Further descriptions available here (http://www.conservativebookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c7077).

It claims that all leftists are losers, unemployed, reek of patchouli oil, dumb or don&#39;t know what they&#39;re talking about, often gay ("The girl, with her shaved head and militaristic garb, was an obvious lesbian." --Alan Lipton observing a "leftist"), are lazy, and so on, and tries to educate the "employed," "articulate," and "intelligent" conservative and educated them with hilarious counter points ("Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything"). It also makes some bland comparisons (hippies and anarchists are two different things; I didn&#39;t even really know hippies were that common anymore).

Since I know the organization and their tactics and member base pretty well, I decided I&#39;m going to write a review of the book for Amazon going off of what I outlined but I&#39;d like to get some of your own comments as to what you think of these generalizations and "arguments." I would like the rightists here to do some inputting as well.

Again, what&#39;s interesting is that it&#39;s Protest-Warriors who are writing this book. "Articulate, intelligent conservatives" -- not really, the reading and writing of most of the protest-warriors was just above the level of Mexican immigrants (whom they loved to bush). Think coloneldummy, but worse.

The most active and dedicated Protest-Warriors were people from the South who were twenty somethings and admittedly were jobless lived and with their parents.

I know a couple of them personally, and a few of them admitted to me that they have some "mental problems" like Adult ADD, schizophrenia, etc., most of them spend their lives playing a game called "Cybernations" where they continue to promote their right-wing beliefs under the "FCC" group (Megami, MaineGOP, Rich333, etc.), the only thing they generally know about politics are bland clichés and (often racist and prejudiced) slogans, their experts are people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and others linked to at their website, and the webmaster&#39;s current girlfriend is about 14 years his junior and spent some time in a mental institution here in my city.

So I&#39;m thinking of titling my review, "People in glass houses shouldn&#39;t throw stones." Or maybe just "Who are the Protest-Warriors?" or perhaps "A field study of right-wing losers, liars, and cowards."
lol i thank god i don&#39;t have to listen to his free speech although i want to shoot him in the face

[mikelepore]

It is not uncommon to find an anarchist carrying a cell phone in their Dickie&#39;s pant pocket. Like their fellow traveler socialists and Islamothugs, they have no problem using the technologies made possibly only by Western-style capitalism

It&#39;s a particular choice of economic systems that permits digitized sound to be carried by electromagnetic waves?&#33;? Say goodbye to this author&#39;s future credibility.



they will panic and begin to sputter about how communism has never been properly implemented.

What&#39;s wrong with that? History is full of examples of good ideas that didn&#39;t seem good because they weren&#39;t properly implemented. I wonder if the author knew that Athenian "democracy" included slavery. I wonder if the author knew that the Hitler Youth sang the lyrics, "We are marching for freedom." So what do we do, throw away democracy and freedom, or point out that the words were used without proper implementation?

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 09:26 pm
It&#39;s a particular choice of economic systems that permits digitized sound to be carried by electromagnetic waves?&#33;? Say goodbye to this author&#39;s future credibility.
Actually, such "arguments" are used a lot by all sorts of "conservatives", even around this forums. Go figure.


What&#39;s wrong with that? History is full of examples of good ideas that didn&#39;t seem good because they weren&#39;t properly implemented. I wonder if the author knew that Athenian "democracy" included slavery. I wonder if the author knew that the Hitler Youth sang the lyrics, "We are marching for freedom." So what do we do, throw away democracy and freedom, or point out that the words were used without proper implementation?

The problem with such people is that they create "you&#39;re either with us or against us" dilemmas and therefore they assume that "leftism" is some kind of unified political movement. Meanwhile, they ignore the material conditions that existed in those so called "communist states" and what happened in them.

I wonder what kind of "arguments" are presented on that book, since they are probably writing about people they imagine by clichés and ideas they don&#39;t even understand. On the other hand, the "and what to do about them" part suggests that they only care about finding and exterminating their opponents...in spite of their occasional attempts of making nazis/fascists seem as "part of the left", this kind of individuals would have fit easily into any of their organizations, although I&#39;m probably taking them too seriously and they are a bunch of cowards.

[MarcX]

Originally posted by Dr. Rosenpenis+June 23, 2007 12:11 am--> (Dr. Rosenpenis @ June 23, 2007 12:11 am)
Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 06:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
What about North Korea? [/b]
50 year stand still is not a loss

[Punkerslut]

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything

Ending or starting? It&#39;s hard to think that any top-down, authoritarian structure could come about with anything but a war against the people.

Anyway, I really would like a copy of that book. Sounds hilarious, like the time I read the book, "God Doesn&#39;t Believe in Atheists" by some right-wing Creationist. Though there were 200 pages, the font was huge. I read the whole thing in under an hour and a half. Still, I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever laughed like that before. They even had "Types of Atheists," and that&#39;s the best: it&#39;s the most completely irrelevant and factually inaccurate information you could possibly attempt to receive from a book. Good stuff. Much better than the websites alleging that the world is actually flat.

[MarcX]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+June 21, 2007 02:00 pm--> (Jazzratt @ June 21, 2007 02:00 pm)
[email protected] 21, 2007 06:34 am
This guid is so sick. you cannot take this serious.
You underestimate the american right wing grossly. They swallow this pap with gusto, just look at some of the other books that got big (war on christmas for example :lol: ).

I really thought that PW was pretty much an irrelevance now, oh well - life is full of surprises. [/b]
Do you live in america????

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 04:42 am

COMMUNISTS: "Communists are considered the Maytag repairmen of liberal protesters, few and far between but somehow still devoted to a lost cause. ... Handling Tips: Ask a communist who their favorite communist dictator is.

Tito. I like his policies on ending ethnic strife. He handled Yugoslavia well and they, for the most part, miss him much.

[RNK]

Originally posted by MarcX+July 04, 2007 05:51 am--> (MarcX @ July 04, 2007 05:51 am)
Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 23, 2007 12:11 am

Edric [email protected] 22, 2007 06:57 am

Except for ending Nazism, Communism, and Fascism: War has never solved anything
Not to be pedantic, but... No government led by a Communist Party has ever been defeated in an international war.
What about North Korea?
50 year stand still is not a loss [/b]
Well, technically, China lost to Vietnam, didn&#39;t they? And Cambodia lost to Vietnam too.. hell, Vietnam be kickin&#39; some ASS. ;)

[Coggeh]

but vietnam were " communist" at the time right ? =&#092;

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

For what it&#39;s worth, I debate infrequently on Cybernations and deal with these self-professed libertarians very often. They have reactionary undercurrents wherin they will condemn any and all protestors, try to justify past wars, and try to make "libertarian socialism" out to be some sort of oxymoron. It&#39;s a constant irritant, especially since that forum seems to have been assaulted by the right in general.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by Juan Sin [email protected] 12, 2007 01:56 am
For what it&#39;s worth, I debate infrequently on Cybernations and deal with these self-professed libertarians very often. They have reactionary undercurrents wherin they will condemn any and all protestors, try to justify past wars, and try to make "libertarian socialism" out to be some sort of oxymoron. It&#39;s a constant irritant, especially since that forum seems to have been assaulted by the right in general.
Haven&#39;t you read the thread? They&#39;re liars, so of course they aren&#39;t going to have a coherent position on politics. They change their positions depending upon the forum they&#39;re posting at because they have no lives. One of the idiots there literally posts on hundreds of forums and does the same thing.

Here&#39;s a protest-warrior from the U Penn division: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqwJZ7Hz_0g

It figures they would spend their lives "raiding" liberal forums and "fighting" on cybernations rather than raiding and fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, to help out. They only fight women in real life.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:02 am
The people posting on protest war are so detatched from reality it&#39;s imposible to take them seriously. They&#39;re convinced that Reagan was the re-incarnation of Jesus himself and no matter how low his approval ratings, they still consider Bush to hugely successful. :lol:
That&#39;s why they pulled their forums when they started getting owned in debate by everybody left, right, and center. That&#39;s probably the same reason why they removed Alan, the fundamentalist of the organization, in order to try and give themselves a more "mainstream" appearance. You can&#39;t sell a lot of copies of your book when people investigating your organization can see the cognitive ability of your members.

The sad thing is that there were only a few protest-warrior critics: me, RockNRev, this guy called neocons, etc., who posted at their forums, and know their member base pretty well. Pretty much all losers and liars -- RockNRev had dozens of examples where he caught both Alan and Kfir in lies, including claiming he got kicked out of the military for being gay (which he wasn&#39;t -- shows you how much they respect the troops when they&#39;ll tarnish one of them in order to defend their organization).

When I started yelling at one of them for taking past events, tastes, etc. out of my life and claiming they happened to him, he had to have one of the PW females try and defend him. When I started talking about how l liked Agnostic Front, Sick of it All, etc. one of them (a friend of MaineGOP) made up a whole story about how he was involved in the hardcore scene when he really wasn&#39;t. He even made up the details: a bunch of BS about how he got knocked around in order to "look tough," and when I called him on it, he started piling lies upon lies about how he "saw Rollins four times" listening to bands that I had mentioned I like.

I pretty much found out his entire life was a lie. The question is, who makes up details about their lives such as education, musical preferences, etc., and thinks that it&#39;s "tough" to get beaten up by Henry Rollins? I really don&#39;t know whether to laugh or pity those boobs at PW.

Having a member base that is composed of such losers to the point where they&#39;ll start claiming to participate in events and activities that are anathema to their own tastes and beliefs is really why the PW organization itself is in such a state of disarray.

Oh, and coloneldummy, you tell your friends at PWIC that the next time I catch one of them claiming to be me and lying about hardcore, there will be more serious consequences. Goddamnit. I oughta sue the protest-warriors for identify theft and fraud.

Jesus-fucking-christ, get your own god damned lives. You don&#39;t see me claiming I got into a fight with the lead singer of Korn at a slipknot concert, do you?

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:41 pm
Anyway, I really would like a copy of that book. Sounds hilarious, like the time I read the book, "God Doesn&#39;t Believe in Atheists" by some right-wing Creationist. Though there were 200 pages, the font was huge. I read the whole thing in under an hour and a half. Still, I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever laughed like that before. They even had "Types of Atheists," and that&#39;s the best: it&#39;s the most completely irrelevant and factually inaccurate information you could possibly attempt to receive from a book. Good stuff. Much better than the websites alleging that the world is actually flat.
You can read chapter one online, which is the profile of an "anarchist":

http://www.protestwarrior.com/misc/pw_book_sample.pdf

About 90% of it is how anarchists dress, act at protests, etc. Not much about theory, beliefs, overall lifestyles, etc. I actually think a lot of what they&#39;re writing is simply cribbing from stuff I talked about. The anarchists mentioned on page 15 (11 of the pdf) are the very ones I talked about on the forum.

And Kfir, I wear Droors, not dickies, get it right. And it&#39;s Dickies ® not Dickie&#39;s LOl. The plural is Dickies&#39;

Like: "Today, I bought two new pairs of Dickies&#39; pants; a black pair and a blue pair."

Speak-a-da-english?

[IcarusAngel]

Well, they brought their forums backup: forum.protestwarrior.com

The fucking cowards won&#39;t let me register, though. Although the webmaster did make fun of my computer (http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=57#p111). ? :rolleyes: They also made one of their most blatant racists, Jonas Salk ("Black women are ugly as sin"), a moderator.

The forum is completely locked down except for a few losers who are still dedicated to a lost cause (megami, Rich333, mainegop, et al.).

If somebody can register to get in, ask them what kind of warriors:

1. Make up ridiculous stories (lies) and tough talk on the internet (megami is already claiming to be tough on that forum).

2. Have women fight their battles for them, again, even on the internet.

3. Sit around playing cybernations all day.

Unlike any "warrior" I&#39;ve ever heard of.

Also, ask them when one of their "toughest" members, headshot, will willingly enter into an agreement to fight me, as he claims to have been in various street fights with mexicans (which he won, of course) and even got into a scuffle with Henry Rollins, something Rollins doesn&#39;t recall happening. I challenged the coward to a fair fight, after he said he was going to "kick my ass" on the internet, and the liar had more excuses than Bush did for why we can&#39;t find WMDs in Iraq. He even claimed I was going to pay somebody off to beat him up for me, even though some of the members there know what i look like and who i am.


What a bunch of fucking sissies. "Warriors" my ass.

On the plus side, their crappy "political book" is doing horrible on Amazon.com, in the hundreds of thousands, well below even some of Henry Rollins angst ridden poetry. :)


Hey, Kafir (he reads this forum), you know Israel has a burgeoning punk scene (NOFX is playing tel aviv playing tel aviv soon), and that Rollins is a frequent spoken word artist there -- you know, the guy who one of your protest-weenies claimed to get into a fight with.

They have more influence than you do...... If that is irony, I don&#39;t know what is.

[Tower of Bebel]

Also, ask them when one of their "toughest" members, headshot, will willingly enter into an agreement to fight me, as he claims to have been in various street fights with mexicans (which he won, of course) and even got into a scuffle with Henry Rollins, something Rollins doesn&#39;t recall happening. I challenged the coward to a fair fight, after he said he was going to "kick my ass" on the internet, and the liar had more excuses than Bush did for why we can&#39;t find WMDs in Iraq. He even claimed I was going to pay somebody off to beat him up for me, even though some of the members there know what i look like and who i am.

this is common amongst ridiculous rightists. They&#39;re confused because you threaten their way of thinking and so they make al sorts of lies to make you shut your mouth.

[Publius]

They&#39;re already onto the "Lincoln was the worst President ever" argument, espoused by their Patron Saint Thomas DiLorenzo.

I remember some show with DiLorenzo&#39;s book on CSPAN, "THe Real Lincoln" and he was going on about how the civil war was &#39;unjust&#39; and &#39;unecessary&#39; and &#39;wasn&#39;t even about slavery&#39;, and some person from the audience asked if instead of slavery, the southern states were committing child molestation, would it have been right to invade them then. And of course he just yelled at the person and refused to answer the question.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 04:23 am
Well, they brought their forums backup: forum.protestwarrior.com
So are they ever going to do any activity in real life again? I&#39;m not seeing anything about it on their forums. I like it. It would be great if all right-wingers would just sit on their forums all day, circlejerking. And with a bit of CyberNations once in a while, just for a change.