Academic boycott of Israel

[graffic]

Did anyone see Alan Dershowitz rip to shreads the "academic" arguing for a boycott of Israeli goods on channel 4 the other night?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 07:44 pm
Did anyone see Alan Dershowitz rip to shreads the "academic" arguing for a boycott of Israeli goods on channel 4 the other night?
No. What were his main points, precisely and was it the same tired zionist nonsense we always get?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

He didn't nip it to shreds. he just claimed it was antisemitism because the academics was proposing it solely on Israel.

Channel 4 article (http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/israel+to+hit+back+over+boycott/556372)

Its the same way the British public boycotted south African produce because it was a extremely racist state. Just like Israel.

[Demogorgon]

Calling boycotts of Israel anti-semitism is ridiculous. That said the academic boycott could do with a bit of improvement, because some anti-zionist and Palestinian academics are being affect by it too.

[Intifada]

What a surprise!

<_<

A Zionist shouting "anti-semitism" in response to criticism of Israel.

I wonder what they call the Jews who oppose Israel&#39;s treatment of Palestinians?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 07:50 am
was it the same tired zionist nonsense we always get?

he just claimed it was antisemitism



A Zionist shouting "anti-semitism" in response to criticism of Israel.

Ah, that answers the question really.

[graffic]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+June 21, 2007 07:50 am--> (Jazzratt &#064; June 21, 2007 07:50 am)
[email protected] 20, 2007 07:44 pm
Did anyone see Alan Dershowitz rip to shreads the "academic" arguing for a boycott of Israeli goods on channel 4 the other night?
No. What were his main points, precisely and was it the same tired zionist nonsense we always get?[/b]
The "academic" had no response to Alans main points.

Alan asked why countries like North Korea and Iran are not boycotted, the "academic" was speechless. Dershowitz has also got 50 lawyers lined up to stop the boycott if it does go ahead, plus hundreds of American academics backing.

click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbznv15JQ5M)

I&#39;d also challenge anyone who says the boycott is in no way anti-semitic - the boycott resonates with earlier boycotts of Jews, whether those of medieval Europe or the Third Reich. The history of anti-Semitism is in part the history of boycotts of Jews. Each boycott derives from a principle of exclusion: Jews and/or the Jewish State are to be excluded from public life, from the community of nations, because they are dangerous and malign.

The British National Union of journalists should take a look at countries like Cuba, China, Iran, North Korea - where uppression of the press is routine and imprisonment of journalist is common before yet another bash is made at the Jewish state from Britian. A Palestinian academic said "Israeli universitys are the last place you would want to boycott".

[Intifada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 04:11 pm
Alan asked why countries like North Korea and Iran are not boycotted, the "academic" was speechless.



North Korea has already been isolated by the so-called "international community".

Iran is the victim of sanctions by the same "international community".

The reason why Israel is the subject of a boycott is due to the fact that no matter how many crimes that state commits against the Palestinian people, the "international community" will not do anything about it. Indeed, the West continues to arm and fund Israel.

People, therefore, feel the need to take as much action into their own hands as is possible.


I&#39;d also challenge anyone who says the boycott is in no way anti-semitic - the boycott resonates with earlier boycotts of Jews, whether those of medieval Europe or the Third Reich. The history of anti-Semitism is in part the history of boycotts of Jews. Each boycott derives from a principle of exclusion: Jews and/or the Jewish State are to be excluded from public life, from the community of nations, because they are dangerous and malign.

I acknowledge the fact that Jews have, sadly, been the subject of anti-semitic boycotts in the past, but this does not mean that the present-day boycotts of the Israeli state is anti-semitic too.

Shouting accusations of "anti-semitism" at people who want to see an end to the occupation is a nonsense.

Jews behind campaign to boycott Israel
(http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3413292,00.html)
I am curious to know what Zionists label the Jews who support such boycotts of Israel?

Indeed, I still fail to understand how the Jews (those who support Israel) of all people, can have such disregard for human rights and international law.


The British National Union of journalists should take a look at countries like Cuba, China, Iran, North Korea - where uppression of the press is routine and imprisonment of journalist is common before yet another bash is made at the Jewish state from Britian.
Cuba, Iran and North Korea are already under enough international pressure as it is, fairly or unfairly (that is a debate for another time).

China is hardly a country leftists will support, especially, for example, considering the widespread exploitation of workers in that country.

[Revolution Until Victory]

people, do not waste your time.

I have already challanged Graffic sooo many times, to make an argument with out:

1) bashing Islam (out of all other relegions)

2) bringing up anti-semetism and the holocaust

and he was never able too.

really, typical zionist bullshit.

no point in arguing.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Originally posted by graffic+June 21, 2007 05:11 pm--> (graffic @ June 21, 2007 05:11 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 07:50 am

[email protected] 20, 2007 07:44 pm
Did anyone see Alan Dershowitz rip to shreads the "academic" arguing for a boycott of Israeli goods on channel 4 the other night?
No. What were his main points, precisely and was it the same tired zionist nonsense we always get?
The "academic" had no response to Alans main points.

Alan asked why countries like North Korea and Iran are not boycotted, the "academic" was speechless. Dershowitz has also got 50 lawyers lined up to stop the boycott if it does go ahead, plus hundreds of American academics backing.

click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbznv15JQ5M)

I&#39;d also challenge anyone who says the boycott is in no way anti-semitic - the boycott resonates with earlier boycotts of Jews, whether those of medieval Europe or the Third Reich. The history of anti-Semitism is in part the history of boycotts of Jews. Each boycott derives from a principle of exclusion: Jews and/or the Jewish State are to be excluded from public life, from the community of nations, because they are dangerous and malign.

The British National Union of journalists should take a look at countries like Cuba, China, Iran, North Korea - where uppression of the press is routine and imprisonment of journalist is common before yet another bash is made at the Jewish state from Britian. A Palestinian academic said "Israeli universitys are the last place you would want to boycott". [/b]
People boycotted South Africa because it was such a heinous regime. Why cant people boycott Israel, cite the reasons why they boycott Israel, and have to put up with being called anti-Semites or "self hating Jews".

The retort of racism is almost laughable. You must think there is endemic racism against Jewish people and that the academics are willing to use the mis treatment as a cover for their purely racist ends.

Really, the antisemitism argument in this case is found wanting, significantly. The reason why the antisemitism charge is brought forward is to close down unwanted criticism of the racist imperial Israel.

[Demogorgon]

This bringing up anti-smeitism at every opportunity is as annpying as it is stupid. If you are incapable oaf arguing, graffic, go elsewhere and stop throwing out ad hominen attacks.

We could just as easily call you an anti-semite for equating the crimes of the Israeli state with Judaism.

[graffic]

I acknowledge the fact that Jews have, sadly, been the subject of anti-semitic boycotts in the past, but this does not mean that the present-day boycotts of the Israeli state is anti-semitic too.

There is a striking resemblance.


Shouting accusations of "anti-semitism" at people who want to see an end to the occupation is a nonsense.

I agree entirely, people who continuly single out the Jewish state, propose to boycott the Jewish state - apply double standards to the Jewish community. That is where the accusations of anti-semitism come from.



Jews behind campaign to boycott Israel
(http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3413292,00.html)

There were Jews invited to the Iranian holocaust denial conference, there are Jew haters and vice versa. This proves nothing


Indeed, I still fail to understand how the Jews (those who support Israel) of all people, can have such disregard for human rights and international law.

To quote Aaronovitch "don&#39;t get me started". Israel is a free liberal society with a good standard of human rights, why don&#39;t you complain about the human rights in Cuba or Iran? Which are far worse


Cuba, Iran and North Korea are already under enough international pressure as it is, fairly or unfairly

ha, Yes you see those countries in the papers, the Television, and on the radio everyday don&#39;t you?

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:34 pm
Israel is a free liberal society with a good standard of human rights
The enforced military service and discrimination against Arabs says otherwise. But we are not primarily talking about what goes on within Israel&#39;s legitimate (pre-1967) borders. We are referring to what goes on in the occupied territories. They are a hell of a lot worse than places like Cuba.

[Revolution Until Victory]

Israel is a free liberal society with a good standard of human rights, why don&#39;t you complain about the human rights in Cuba or Iran? Which are far worse

HAAAAHAAAAAAA LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

the zionist settler-colony is a "free and liberal society"?????

first, by being colonizers, they are among the most un-democratic, reactionary society in the world.
second, there were surveys that were done, proving the unbelievable racism of the zionist colonizer society. they are racist to the bone.
the racism and Apartheid in pracitce inside the zionist colony is unimaginable.

LOL, "a good standard of human rights". do you really think your are shitting anyone with your crap?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Israel is a free liberal society with a good standard of human rights,

Urm Cuba hasn&#39;t invaded foreign countries, launched imperialist wars and does not occupy other countries. Israel has done or does all of those. Cuba is under a 50 years blockade from the worlds only super power, Israel gets &#036;4.000.000.000 a year for military expenditure.

It does not respect the humans rights both internally and externally.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:34 pm

I acknowledge the fact that Jews have, sadly, been the subject of anti-semitic boycotts in the past, but this does not mean that the present-day boycotts of the Israeli state is anti-semitic too.

There is a striking resemblance.

There is a striking resemblance on what grounds, tell us which aspects of former anti-semitic boycotts resemble the anti-zionist one? Or does a star of David in your nation&#39;s flag automatically make that nation a victim of anti-semitic prejudice when it is criticised?



Cuba, Iran and North Korea are already under enough international pressure as it is, fairly or unfairly

ha, Yes you see those countries in the papers, the Television, and on the radio everyday don&#39;t you?

Well Iran one hears a hell of a lot about, usually how unimaginably eeeeeeeeevil they are. The DPRK & Cuba are occasionally highlighted in news stories to show how badly we should think of communism. Israel on the other hand is always the victim of horrible terrorist strikes and anti-semitic boycotts, sometimes it has to take "retaliatory action" (aggression on Palestine), which may incur "collateral damage" (dead children to me and you) in order to preserve its "statehood" (occupation).

[graffic]

first, by being colonizers

Look up the definition of a coloniser and then come back to me.


the most un-democratic

:rolleyes:



second, there were surveys that were done, proving the unbelievable racism of the zionist colonizer society. they are racist to the bone.

Don&#39;t give me this shit again RUV. Give me some fucking evidence before you post this desperate bullshit.

I&#39;m interested to see these surveys, you don&#39;t even need surveys to see how racist the Palestinian cause is. Read Hamas&#39;s charter which calls for an Islamic state with no Jews allowed, isnt that a tad racist?



"a good standard of human rights". do you really think your are shitting anyone with your crap?

Arabs have more rights in Israel than Jews do in Arab countries.

[graffic]

Originally posted by Demogorgon+June 21, 2007 05:41 pm--> (Demogorgon &#064; June 21, 2007 05:41 pm)
[email protected] 21, 2007 05:34 pm
Israel is a free liberal society with a good standard of human rights
The enforced military service and discrimination against Arabs says otherwise. But we are not primarily talking about what goes on within Israel&#39;s legitimate (pre-1967) borders. We are referring to what goes on in the occupied territories. They are a hell of a lot worse than places like Cuba.[/b]
I&#39;m sick of these lies you use to justify your cause.

Read David Aaronovitchs work, he and many other leftisits explain how the left has got it all wrong on Israel and Palestine. Its very interesting.

I seriously can&#39;t believe your saying Israel is worse than Cuba. A Human Rights Watch Report, released on 23 July 1999, states that, 40 years after the Cuban revolution, Fidel Castro maintains power through intimidation, repressive laws, and the imprisonment of nonviolent dissidents. Entitled Cuba’s Repressive Machinery: Human Rights Forty Years after the Revolution, the report details how Cuba’s laws deny Cubans their basic freedoms and rights and it describes the situation of individuals prosecuted under these laws.

This is compared to Israel where citizens can do whatever they choose, Arabs arent allowed to join the army which is understandable since they would be killing other Arabs etc, but apart from this Israel is one of the most open societys in the world, gay pride marches happened today in Jerusalem and so on

[Revolution Until Victory]

Look up the definition of a coloniser and then come back to me.

graffic, please stop being such a little kid. we have already discussed this many times.

yes, the zionsit settler-colony is un-democratic. it doesn&#39;t give equal rights for everyone, not in pracitce, not in law.

lol, Graffic talking about "evidence"

they were well know, but I don&#39;t even need to mention those.

what about Lieberman?? the DEPUTY PRIME-MINISTER of the zionist settler-colony?

and btw, those racist don&#39;t come out of nowhere, they got popular support.

or what about that racist rabbi Ovaida?

or what about the annual Surevy of the Israel Democracy Institue, that found out over 62% of the zionist colonizers want the government to encourage arab immigration?

or what about the Survey done by Coalition for the Struggle Against Racism which found that the majority of the zionist colonizers don&#39;t even want to live next to an Arab. or that over 43% of the zionist colonizers would never marry anyone of Ethiopean origin, or even see thier children do such a thing??

or did you forget that zionism was offically a form of racism even by the UN, but due to US imperialist pressure, this verdict was abolished in 1994?

seriously Graffic, you are not fooling anyone.


you don&#39;t even need surveys to see how racist the Palestinian cause is. Read Hamas&#39;s charter which calls for an Islamic state with no Jews allowed, isnt that a tad racist?

please graffic, spare us your trademark zionist horseshit.

the palestinian cause is a revolution for the liberation of man and land from zionsit colonialims. it&#39;s the same cause of the colonized Algerians, Congolese, South Africans, Angolans, Indonesians, etc.

it&#39;s a revolution for the liberation of the arab and jewish masses from imperialism and colonialism.

Hamas, is a very recent player into the scense. what ever it does, in no way does it represent the Palestinian movment.

again, the sole legitamite representative of the Palestinains is the PLO: socialist, progresseive, natioanlist, and secualr.

Hamas does call for an Islamic state in its charter, but its leaders have clearly stated they have no intention in doing so.

furthermore, even if they want to, it doesn&#39;t call of the exclusion of the jewsih people.


Arabs have more rights in Israel than Jews do in Arab countries.

in very few arab countreis (Saudi arabia) jews don&#39;t have equal rights. in almost all of the rest arab countries, Jews have equal rights, unlike the situation of the Palestinian in the zionist settler-colony.


This is compared to Israel where citizens can do whatever they choose, Arabs arent allowed to join the army which is understandable since they would be killing other Arabs etc, but apart from this Israel is one of the most open societys in the world, gay pride marches happened today in Jerusalem and so on

you are an offical r-tard graffic, no question about it.
no, citezens do not do whatever they choose. in practice and in law, not just arabs, but "non-white" jews are discriminated against. the zionsit settler-colony is a reationary soceity, FAR from being the "Most open".


Read David Aaronovitchs work, he and many other leftisits explain how the left has got it all wrong on Israel and Palestine. Its very interesting.

no, you don&#39;t get anything wrong about what is happning between the colonizer and the colonized.

[graffic]

Show me the definition of coloniser RUV.

The Hamas charter does call for the exclusion of Jewish people, and non-white s are actually treated better in Israel than most other countries today.

[Revolution Until Victory]

Show me the definition of coloniser RUV.

Graffic, please be serious. we had dozens of discussions on this issue before.
you are at it again. you ignore my points and explanations, and then ask for them again, as if I never gave them, and it just goes on, until we start going in a circle.
that&#39;s what you are doing now, going in circels.

i have had enough of that shit.



The Hamas charter does call for the exclusion of Jewish people

nop


and non-white s are actually treated better in Israel than most other countries today.

nop
"non-whites" are treated horibbly in the Europea and the US, but they are treated even worse in the zionist settler-colony.

[Revolution Until Victory]

After reading all these posts by graffic i think he is 12 year old kid who says the total opposite of what everyone else says just to piss people off.

right on.

I have asked Graffic this question many times before, but he never answered. he always ignores my question "how old are you". I really wouldn&#39;t be meaning any insult, but I truly believe he is in no way older than 9 or 10 years old.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 02:34 pm

Cuba, Iran and North Korea are already under enough international pressure as it is, fairly or unfairly

ha, Yes you see those countries in the papers, the Television, and on the radio everyday don&#39;t you?
Yes, but I&#39;m not sure what you&#39;re trying to insinuate with this.

Intifada wrote the best reply to those against this boycott, and you haven&#39;t even so much as tried to address his arguments.

Anyways, I don&#39;t think that American academics have access to Cuban, North Korean, or Iranian merchandise, even if they wanted to stage boycotts against them. Maybe Iranian oil. But that&#39;s kind of complicated to boycott.

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 06:57 pm

I&#39;m sick of these lies you use to justify your cause.

Read David Aaronovitchs work, he and many other leftisits explain how the left has got it all wrong on Israel and Palestine. Its very interesting.

I seriously can&#39;t believe your saying Israel is worse than Cuba. A Human Rights Watch Report, released on 23 July 1999, states that, 40 years after the Cuban revolution, Fidel Castro maintains power through intimidation, repressive laws, and the imprisonment of nonviolent dissidents. Entitled Cuba’s Repressive Machinery: Human Rights Forty Years after the Revolution, the report details how Cuba’s laws deny Cubans their basic freedoms and rights and it describes the situation of individuals prosecuted under these laws.

This is compared to Israel where citizens can do whatever they choose, Arabs arent allowed to join the army which is understandable since they would be killing other Arabs etc, but apart from this Israel is one of the most open societys in the world, gay pride marches happened today in Jerusalem and so on
Every time somebody brings up a oint agaisnt you, you change the subject, we are not talking about what Israel does to its citizens. We are talking about what it does to the Palestinians. What rights Israelis may or may not have is irrelevant to this conversation. It is the Palestinians who are being oppresed. Perhaps you did not know that Palestine was being oppressed, perhaps you did not know that Israel has occupied it for the last forty years and that it is under Israeli rule, though the Palestinians have no rights in Israeli eyes? Or maybe you simply regard Palestinians as sub human and hence they do not matter?

We are not discussing gay rights parades in Jerusalem or anything else and you are making yourself look like an idiot by bringing them up. We are talking about the Palestinians.

[Intifada]

To be honest, I expected such a (non-)response from graffic.

He is a waste of time and space, and I suggest people avoid indulging such a fool.

In fact, a mod/admin should really just close this thread.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

I agree. It&#39;s just a voice box for defenders of Israel to call opponents of Israel antisemites.

[Jazzratt]

I agree, a mod should close this topic, and furthermore any more of graffic&#39;s trolling should be trashed. Unless he finds a way of discussing other issues for a while or debating this one in a civil or at least logical manner then I suggest that we push for further administrative action.

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