Class War

[Psy]

If you say class war people get sheepish, even though the capitalist have already declared class war on us. Paul Volcker (Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve 1979 – 1987) stated "the standard of living of the average American worker has to decline, I don't think you can get around that" in response to the falling rate of profit at the time.

Maybe instead of trying to declare class war we should start telling workers we are already in a class war, that we are under attack and should counter attack. Yet I think American workers won't start really getting serious about class war till their collectives backs are against the walls and they have little left to lose.

[Arkham Asylum]

Because they are branded sheep.

[Psy]

Originally posted by Arkham [email protected] 19, 2007 01:44 am
Because they are branded sheep.
But the capitalists are openly attacking workers economically. Even though the average American family now has two wage earners there is a drastic increase in debt and decrease in savings yet consumption hasn't doubled, the average American worker earns less then they did in the 60's (and the 60's was far from a workers paradise)

[Arkham Asylum]

Originally posted by Psy+June 19, 2007 01:58 am--> (Psy @ June 19, 2007 01:58 am)
Arkham [email protected] 19, 2007 01:44 am
Because they are branded sheep.
But the capitalists are openly attacking workers economically. Even though the average American family now has two wage earners there is a drastic increase in debt and decrease in savings yet consumption hasn't doubled, the average American worker earns less then they did in the 60's (and the 60's was far from a workers paradise) [/b]
You and I both know things are bad but to the typical American worker they are still chasing the illustrious American dream that they still think exists.

Of course the capitalists are at a all time high in their various tyrannies but noone is going to anything about it , not to mention every media box is under the control of the capitalist system along with every senator on capital hill.

The vast majority of Americans have bought into the hypocrisy internalizing it within themselves that they don't even know what is going on beyond the propaganda that tucks them to bed at night.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

people think this system benefits them and that they can rise through it. The Proletariat think they can become petty bourgeois by being loyal to the bourgeois. The Petty Bourgeois think they can become bourgeois through their small businesses despite the fact that these small businesses are driven to extinction through imperialist businesses. People don't want to realize the truth about society, so we need to bring it to them with exposures. That's the way Lenin saw it and why he realized the need for a party newspaper to make these exposures well known.

[Arkham Asylum]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 02:14 am
people think this system benefits them and that they can rise through it. The Proletariat think they can become petty bourgeois by being loyal to the bourgeois. The Petty Bourgeois think they can become bourgeois through their small businesses despite the fact that these small businesses are driven to extinction through imperialist businesses. People don't want to realize the truth about society, so we need to bring it to them with exposures. That's the way Lenin saw it and why he realized the need for a party newspaper to make these exposures well known.
That would be one way to do it but , what about all the capitalist media centers contrary to such a movement?

They are not just going to roll over and die you know.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

that's true. Which is why we need to act to counteract these institutions, throwing all our force into the class conscious press. Also we need to expose the lies of the bourgeois media through OUR press.

[Arkham Asylum]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 02:36 am
that's true. Which is why we need to act to counteract these institutions, throwing all our force into the class conscious press. Also we need to expose the lies of the bourgeois media through OUR press.
It is a good step of direction but such a move certainly has it's work cut out for itself.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

true, do you have another proposal? We do have our work cut out for us, and that's just revolution. But its been done before.

[Janus]

Maybe instead of trying to declare class war we should start telling workers we are already in a class war, that we are under attack and should counter attack.
This is the tactic that most groups are using. No one needs to declare war, it has already been declared on us as you said.

As for revolution in the US:
Revolution in US? (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=41263&hl=+revolution++war++America)
revolution in the US? (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=65239&hl=+revolution++war++America)
revolution in US (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=53635&hl=+revolution++United++States)

[Arkham Asylum]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 03:25 am
true, do you have another proposal? We do have our work cut out for us, and that's just revolution. But its been done before.
Nah, I don't have any proposals. I am just coming along for the ride.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 12:47 am
If you say class war people get sheepish, even though the capitalist have already declared class war on us. Paul Volcker (Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve 1979 – 1987) stated "the standard of living of the average American worker has to decline, I don't think you can get around that" in response to the falling rate of profit at the time.

Maybe instead of trying to declare class war we should start telling workers we are already in a class war, that we are under attack and should counter attack. Yet I think American workers won't start really getting serious about class war till their collectives backs are against the walls and they have little left to lose.
That time is already here. Trust me, friend. The days of imperialism and capitalism are dying. The revolutionary left are gaining more and more power amongst the youth, and America and Israel are losing their power in the world.

There will be changes in our lifetime.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by Arkham Asylum+June 19, 2007 02:41 am--> (Arkham Asylum @ June 19, 2007 02:41 am)
[email protected] 19, 2007 02:36 am
that's true. Which is why we need to act to counteract these institutions, throwing all our force into the class conscious press. Also we need to expose the lies of the bourgeois media through OUR press.
It is a good step of direction but such a move certainly has it's work cut out for itself. [/b]
Not exactly. Sometimes all a person needs to do is read some literature and it can change their ideas about economics. For me, reading Trotsky's "Should America Go Communist?" was enough to convert me to radical leftism. Never underestimate the power of the written word.

[Arkham Asylum]

Originally posted by AndrewG+June 20, 2007 03:12 am--> (AndrewG @ June 20, 2007 03:12 am)
Originally posted by Arkham [email protected] 19, 2007 02:41 am

[email protected] 19, 2007 02:36 am
that's true. Which is why we need to act to counteract these institutions, throwing all our force into the class conscious press. Also we need to expose the lies of the bourgeois media through OUR press.
It is a good step of direction but such a move certainly has it's work cut out for itself.
Not exactly. Sometimes all a person needs to do is read some literature and it can change their ideas about economics. For me, reading Trotsky's "Should America Go Communist?" was enough to convert me to radical leftism. Never underestimate the power of the written word. [/b]
I am kinda under the futile impression that the Socratic method of Marxism exists in a modern contemporary anti Socratic world.

Of course all things are worth trying.

( Don't mind my pessimism.)

[Ultra-Violence]

ive been telling this to my dumb ass anarchist freinds for fucking YEARS! to start our own press..but they have other prioties. yeah the press is power full handing out propaganda at protest and at voting booths or other events is very effective and i think is a step in the right direction but the only problem is that some of if not all the material is dry and most working class people wont 1.understand it 2.bother to read it . i propse the revleft makes up a pamphlet of our own were we all put in some input and we can download it and pass it out? any takers? :blush:

[Lenin II]

Maybe instead of trying to declare class war we should start telling workers we are already in a class war, that we are under attack and should counter attack. Yet I think American workers won't start really getting serious about class war till their collectives backs are against the walls and they have little left to lose.

I think this is a very good idea, since it is more grounded in reality and calls for action NOW. We also need a revolutionary theory and a revolutionary party to spread hatred of the ruling classes amongst the people, to arm them to agitate their class consciousness with Marxist thought. Even though most people these days are unhappy with their existence as the class war wages on, they will continue to hope that “hard work” will somehow be enough to manifest their programmed IKEA dreams, all the while their full labor value being stolen and used to fuel capitalist imperialism. Strong leadership and decisiveness is needed now more than ever.

GET OUT THERE AND AGITATE!

[kromando33]

It's simply the fact that people are scared and humiliated by their economic oppression that they will not speak out, 'class war' or related concepts are derided by the bourgeois authorities who feel so safe in their power. But of course the continued proletarianization of the working class will bring all the greater contradictions in interests between the workers and capitalists, eventually as the bourgeois dictatorship tries to become richer and richer the workers will see clearly the rift between the 'oppressor' and 'oppressed'.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Except, of course, they are not 'contradictions'.